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bryanW1995

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How about adding something about which ones have optimized apps.
Milkyway and Collatze show huge gains on the ati cards with optimized apps.
my 4890 can get anywhere from 70k to 90k ppd gpu alone. and only uses 0.02 of the cpu

and seti shows decent gains with with nvidia cards.... my i920 alone will do about 8kppd, but when matched with a gtx260 and the modified apps, gets @16kppd.. that's an awesome gain.

yeah, i'm at 20k ppd right now on an x3350 @ 3.36 with a gtx 260 (192) and 9600gso. admittedly, it is used for basically nothing else, but that's still quite impressive for seti.


do you have to do anything special to gpu crunch in aqua? I only use that when seti is out of work (which seems to be quite often lately) and I don't think that I've ever seen a gpu-specific wu.
 
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dajeepster

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yeah, i'm at 20k ppd right now on an x3350 @ 3.36 with a gtx 260 (192) and 9600gso. admittedly, it is used for basically nothing else, but that's still quite impressive for seti.


do you have to do anything special to gpu crunch in aqua? I only use that when seti is out of work (which seems to be quite often lately) and I don't think that I've ever seen a gpu-specific wu.

I'm not doing gpu crunching on aqua... only cpu crunching.. just looked through the forums of aqua and seen that there hasn't been any gpu wu since summer 2009 because the cpu wu on the i7 is just crushing them... this is the only ap that i know that is like that... the cpu wu credit for my i7 is just phenominal.
 

Ken g6

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Now that I have an nVIDIA GTX460 GPU, on Ubuntu 64-bit, allow me to express my frustration with the state of GPU work today:

PrimeGrid - Doesn't work with Fermi-based GPUs without an app_info.xml file. Plus they're pausing this week to switch apps.
Collatz Conjecture - Doesn't work with Linux 64-bit without an app_info.xml file.
Milkyway@Home - Doesn't work with Fermi-based GPUs! This is a bug they've known about for months!
Seti@Home - No work! Period!
Einstein@Home - No current GPU work.

I haven't tried the following, but...:
Aqua@Home - long WUs, right? And sounds like no work either.
GPUGRID - long WUs, right?
The Lattice Project - No Linux GPU apps, plus huge memory requirements?

Not BOINC, so I might rather do PrimeGrid Project Staging Area work:
Folding@Home - Biology/Medicine - Geforce 8 and up - Windows, but I hear it works with Wine?
RC5-72 - Cryptography - Geforce 8 and up - Windows/Linux/Mac OS
 

Uppsala9496

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You can do F@H via wine with your gpu. I am going via wine with my cpu. Wish I could use wine for my ati card as well. Have a 5750 doing nothing since it is on my ubuntu machine.
 

Ken g6

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Thanks! That worked, and it was mostly painless!

Now I need to go get my PrimeGrid app for ATI working, so your 5750 can have something to do.
 

biodoc

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Now that I have an nVIDIA GTX460 GPU, on Ubuntu 64-bit, allow me to express my frustration with the state of GPU work today:

PrimeGrid - Doesn't work with Fermi-based GPUs without an app_info.xml file. Plus they're pausing this week to switch apps.
Collatz Conjecture - Doesn't work with Linux 64-bit without an app_info.xml file.
Milkyway@Home - Doesn't work with Fermi-based GPUs! This is a bug they've known about for months!
Seti@Home - No work! Period!
Einstein@Home - No current GPU work.

I haven't tried the following, but...:
Aqua@Home - long WUs, right? And sounds like no work either.
GPUGRID - long WUs, right?
The Lattice Project - No Linux GPU apps, plus huge memory requirements?

Not BOINC, so I might rather do PrimeGrid Project Staging Area work:
Folding@Home - Biology/Medicine - Geforce 8 and up - Windows, but I hear it works with Wine?
RC5-72 - Cryptography - Geforce 8 and up - Windows/Linux/Mac OS

Yes, linux GPU support on fermi cards or any other GPU is frustration at best.

GPUgrid just released a cuda 3.2 beta app but I can't get it to run w/o errors.
DNETC works but performance isn't great on nvidia cards vs ATI cards
collatz performance is about 50% vs windows. They claim it's an Ubuntu problem.

I'm running a test F@H WU and it looks good.
 

Alyx

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Is there a way to force boinc to use the GPU apps? I've got a Collatz Conjecture GPU task sitting as 'Waiting to run' while boinc runs a bunch of non-GPU tasks for other projects. Such a waste!
 

biodoc

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Is your gpu doing any work at all? You may want to check the boinc preferences at the project website (your account page) and make sure the answer for "Suspend GPU work while computer is in use?" is "no". If your gpu is not crunching at all, then something else is wrong. Boinc version 6.10.58 is the latest stable version that supports GPU crunching.
 

Peter Trend

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Don't want to hijack your thread but briefly, could somebody tell me if it's normal for BOINC to run 6 tasks when I only have 5 processing units(quad+4870)?

I'm not sure if I have a glitch but it does seem a bit weird to say the least. Doesn't seem like the most efficient use of my memory either :s
 

Ken g6

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Do they all say status: Running? Or are some, perhaps from a different project, in a "waiting to run" status or something?

What project(s) are you running?
 

Peter Trend

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They all say "running", there are well over 100 tasks waiting, usually.
Running a lot of projects with varying shares. Currently I see these tasks running:

malariacontrol______running, high priority
malariacontrol______running, high priority
Milkyway@home____running (0.05 CPU, 1.00 ATI GPU)
Virtual Prairie ______running
Virtual Prairie ______running
FreeHAL@home ____running

It has continued for over 48 hours regardless of projects running (and there is no persistent project when this occurs; I had thought this was caused by The Lattice Project but that was just a very long WU which has now ended, and the "problem" is still there. If it is a glitch I'm fairly sure it is caused by BOINC Manager itself. Haven't noticed a change in PPD or unit times but I couldn't be sure.

Reinstall B.M.? If I do this, is there a way to save my projects list and add them quickly to a clean install? Should I report it as a bug to BOINC?

Thanks

Pete
 

Peter Trend

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On a much more related topic to the OP, I find it very difficult to split GPU resource share between Collatz and Milkyway, as Milkyway has a 24 task limit, whereas Collatz seems to download over 100 tasks if I allow it. Collatz tasks also last longer, and Milkyway tasks don't seem to begin until all Collatz tasks are finished. The only workaround seems to be updating Collatz manually, setting it to not fetch any more work, and aborting some of the tasks. I do wonder if this is related to the problem in my post above, but as it is project-specific I'm not too sure about that. I'm not even sure this one is a bug, or if the code is just written that way deliberately!
 

Ken g6

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FreeHAL@home ____running
That's the reason, and that's no problem. FreeHAL, for some weird reason, uses about 1% of your CPU time, and no GPU time. You can configure it to run something like 25 tasks at once, if you have the memory. What it does with that tiny sliver of computing I really don't know.
 

Peter Trend

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Haha well that's nice to know! I guess I will see what my remaining 300MB of free RAM can muster tomorrow. First I must sleep though! G'night!

Hmm... resource monitor also shows ~3800MB "standby"...is BOINC restricted by the x86 process limit, even under x64 Windows 7? Anyway, I digress!! Sleep first, admin later
 

Alyx

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Is your gpu doing any work at all? You may want to check the boinc preferences at the project website (your account page) and make sure the answer for "Suspend GPU work while computer is in use?" is "no". If your gpu is not crunching at all, then something else is wrong. Boinc version 6.10.58 is the latest stable version that supports GPU crunching.

Well it has some GPU tasks, and has completed some too (2k today!) but half the time it switches away from the GPU tasks to different products that are non-GPU. I upped Collatz's resource share to 1000 hoping it'll get preference, and it's only downloading GPU so we'll see if that fixes it. As I type this it isn't doing any GPU tasks though, just 4 AlmereGrid units...
 

biodoc

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Well it has some GPU tasks, and has completed some too (2k today!) but half the time it switches away from the GPU tasks to different products that are non-GPU. I upped Collatz's resource share to 1000 hoping it'll get preference, and it's only downloading GPU so we'll see if that fixes it. As I type this it isn't doing any GPU tasks though, just 4 AlmereGrid units...

Check the boinc program preferences. On the processor usage tab check "use GPU while computer is in use" and then enter "0" in "while processor usage is less than "0" percent (no restrictions).
 

Alyx

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Check the boinc program preferences. On the processor usage tab check "use GPU while computer is in use" and then enter "0" in "while processor usage is less than "0" percent (no restrictions).

Figured it out! The client was set to not use GPU while PC was in use and this took precedence over the project's settings.
 

Rattledagger

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On a much more related topic to the OP, I find it very difficult to split GPU resource share between Collatz and Milkyway, as Milkyway has a 24 task limit, whereas Collatz seems to download over 100 tasks if I allow it. Collatz tasks also last longer, and Milkyway tasks don't seem to begin until all Collatz tasks are finished. The only workaround seems to be updating Collatz manually, setting it to not fetch any more work, and aborting some of the tasks. I do wonder if this is related to the problem in my post above, but as it is project-specific I'm not too sure about that. I'm not even sure this one is a bug, or if the code is just written that way deliberately!
You can configure any project (that haven't got too old server-version that is) to be a "backup"-project, by setting it's resource-share to zero.

Any zero resource-share project will only be asked for work if idle resource. So, if you've configured Collatz to use gpu-only, you'll only ask for Collatz-work if idle gpu.

Tasks in a zero-resource-share project should also pause if other work gets available again, except if it's in deadline-trouble and needs to run high priority. But, I'm not sure if this is the case for GPU, since GPU under v6.10.xx runs all tasks in EDF-mode. The "soon" to be released v6.12.xx should more closely follow resource-shares also on GPU's, so shouldn't run everything in EDF-mode...
 

Peter Trend

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Thanks. I have actually suspended Collatz now, as my poor 4870 seems to have intermittent problems sometimes causing blue screens, and Collatz seems to be the common feature in these BSODs. Will be replacing it with GTX 460 when it arrives, will just let it crunch milkyway@home until then as I have f@h SMP on my CPU and I don't want any more pesky BSODs!

No BSODs for the last 2 days since I stopped Collatz.
I will bear in mind how to set a backup project for after the f@h race
 

dajeepster

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Thanks. I have actually suspended Collatz now, as my poor 4870 seems to have intermittent problems sometimes causing blue screens, and Collatz seems to be the common feature in these BSODs.
No BSODs for the last 2 days since I stopped Collatz.
I will bear in mind how to set a backup project for after the f@h race

I crank my fans up all the way on my gpus so this doesn't happen. it's really important that you keep the cards running cool. I don't recommend running gpu DC projects on a quiet computer (unless it's water cooled) such as a home theatre pc.
 

Peter Trend

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Um...it is water cooled, and has four 120mm fans blowing directly at it at full speed when running DC. GPU temps never go over 45C, but think part of the card is broken and it also flickers vertical white lines and occasionally BSODs when playing Youtube videos or WMP (but never from VLC) and also when closing Youtube tabs after watching.

However, voltage regulators do get a bit hot (90-100C) as the water block doesnt seem to touch them (hence four fans as well) but I'm really past caring as two GTX 460s arrived yesterday!

I'm not sure if I already mentioned this but my case has 8 120mm fans and 1 140mm fan, each on its own fan speed controller! I also leave three windows open in this room - I am aware that I shouldn't let stuff to get hot

Also, my point was that Collatz causes BSODs. Milkyway@home never does, yet they both use 100% of the GPU, so I think it's a deeper reason than just temperature, or Collats was stressing my vregs or memory more for some reason.
 

dajeepster

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add primegrid PPS (sieve) for gpu:

for ATI cards 4770 and 5xxx cards with catalyst APP drivers and net 3.5, Win7 64bit (can't get it to work with my 3850 cards... yet.. maybe.. hopefully)

for nVidia cards GTX260 and above, Win7 64bit... (haven't tested on my lower cards yet)
 

Alyx

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Currently no work for Einstein. They are working on a new app but it's got some bugs so they don't really know when it'll be done.

Also Drugdiscovery is working on an app. I've got a couple test work units, but they're still working out a few of the kinks.
 
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