Lets get ready for some Debating Cage Fights Round 1,2, and 3

[MomentsofSanity]

Trumps campaign is all over the map this morning on trying to figure out who to blame for the debate. Surrogates are bashing Lester Holt while Trump himself, and Kellyanne Conway, said he did a great job immediately after the debate. Conway refused to criticize Holt at all when interviewed. This is quite comical to watch them spin against one another.

 

[Fritzo]

It must be so difficult to fact check a man who lies before finishing the end of the first lie.

It's either a strategy to lie so much that you can't be fact checked easily or he is just a pathological liar, and I think either one isn't very presidential.

What happens in any polarized group is the people that support a point of view dismiss any untruths, and only focus on things they can find that help their cause. For Trump's supporters, they are to the point where they expect him to lie (awww...he's just like that!), and anytime he says something accurate they focus on it and say "YUP! That validates him!"

 

[Kazukian]

I could not locate the bottom right abcNEWS poll on their site, maybe the liberal media removed it

Or

Its from that fake ABCnews site that appears occasionally on these forums its the site that posts glowing reviews of Trump and says Russian troops are only in Russia.

I think you're right.

And for the record, I think Hillary is the best choice.

 

[ivwshane]

I picked up on Trump defending himself for the last 3/4 of the debate. He had a good first 20-30 minutes, because one of the few things he's absolutely right about is NAFTA, but after that he quickly ran out of steam. Trump's talent is saying nothing, but making it sound like he's saying something, and he did a lot of that circular talking last night. A typical Trump response sounds like: "I'm for that thing that you said because that thing is a very important thing and we're getting killed by other countries over that thing but that thing is being is being mismanaged so I'm going to fix that thing because I know how to deal with that thing."

So, I don't think Hillary stumbled so much as she doesn't have that forceful manner of talking that Trump does.

Just a point of fact; He got NAFTA wrong as well. Studies show NAFTA was relatively neutral, it didn't cause job losses like its detractors claimed it would nor did it stimulate the economy like its supporters said it would.

http://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/files/cbofiles/ftpdocs/42xx/doc4247/report.pdf

 

[Homerboy]

Trump's whole spin on his acumen as a business man. Because of that, he attempts to break down every topic to a financial transaction of some nature. Sure that makes sense for trade agreements and domestic business etc. But it does not apply, no matter how hard he may try, to race relations and foreign policy and national security.

That being said, if you're going to hang your hat on being the world's best business man, then you're going to want to back that up with proof -- some sort of empirical evidence. Which to me, would be his tax returns. His reluctance (and ignorance) on not releasing them really bothers me. By not releasing them, it only makes me and millions of others speculate he is hiding something -- especially when he falls back on the excuse that he "can't" due to being under audit. Add on top of that the little "that'd make me smart" comment last night about not paying any taxes and I really have doubts about his money situation.

As a business man who certainly has made billion dollar deals all over the globe for decades, I want to know if he is indebted to any foreign countries/citizens before he'd become POTUS. That is a potentially huge conflict of interest. Not to mention his reluctance to put his companies into a blind trust if he were to take the oval office.

 

[K1052]

I think Trump should talk more about how terrible women are, that should help.

 

[bshole]

Hillary scared the ever living shit out of me with all of her cyber security bullshit. The absolute last thing in the world that America wants or needs is the government all up in our internet. Bureaucrats won't stop trying to get in and I loathe them for it.

Sarbanes - Oxley RUINED the computer I have at work. All those regulations on IT had nothing to do with Enron but they put them in anyways. Dirty fuckers.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Just saw Paul Ryan try to help he said "I saw a well polished and practiced defense of the status quo"

 

[Homerboy]

Hillary scared the ever living shit out of me with all of her cyber security bullshit. The absolute last thing in the world that America wants or needs is the government all up in our internet. Bureaucrats won't stop trying to get in and I loathe them for it.

Sarbanes - Oxley RUINED the computer I have at work. All those regulations on IT had nothing to do with Enron but they put them in anyways. Dirty fuckers.

THAT'S the part that scared you? I'm sure Trump will take care of "the cyber" if he's elected.

 

[mnewsham]

Hillary scared the ever living shit out of me with all of her cyber security bullshit.

Donald talking about how hard it is to "do the security of cyber" whatever that means, didn't particularly inspire confidence.

 

[Fritzo]

Just a point of fact; He got NAFTA wrong as well. Studies show NAFTA was relatively neutral, it didn't cause job losses like its detractors claimed it would nor did it stimulate the economy like its supporters said it would.

http://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/files/cbofiles/ftpdocs/42xx/doc4247/report.pdf

I was glancing at Wikipedia and I believe it said something like "1 million net jobs moved". I might have read it out of context though.

 

[fskimospy]

Donald talking about how hard it is to "do the security of cyber" whatever that means, didn't particularly inspire confidence.

His 10 year old son is really good with computers so I'm sure he'll take care of doing the security of cyber.

 

[nageov3t]

THAT'S the part that scared you? I'm sure Trump will take care of "the cyber" if he's elected.

"So we have to get very, very tough on cyber and cyber warfare. It is -- it is a huge problem. I have a son. He's 10 years old. He has computers. He is so good with these computers, it's unbelievable."​

sounds like Baron Trump will be his Cyber Security Czar.

 

[Brainonska511]

Not exactly a mic drop:

Internet polls are hardly a reliable indicator of real opinion. If they were, we would have President Ron Paul.

 

[vi edit]

He's winning the online polls! All you need to consider: The AT effect, aka, the online messageboard spam effect.

what a great command of numbers you people have.

Yep. There's a lot of shenanigans in the online polls.

http://imgur.com/gallery/ABmQz

 

[Fritzo]

Well this is interesting:

http://www.dailydot.com/layer8/trump-clinton-debate-online-polls-4chan-the-donald/

You may be getting trolled right now without even knowing it.

Donald Trump supporters artificially manipulated the results of online polls to create a false narrative that the Republican nominee won the first presidential debate on Monday night.

The efforts originated from users of the pro-Trump Reddit community r/The_Donald and4chan messaged boards, which bombarded around 70 polls, including those launched byTime, Fortune, and CNBC.

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Who do you feel had the best #debatenight tonight?

(note: non-scientific poll)

10:43 PM - 26 Sep 2016
51%Trump
49%Clinton
3,812 votes•Final results

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There’s an unspoken rule of the internet: Never trust online polls. They’re too easily corruptible.

4chan, the notorious message board, has a long history of botting online competitions. In 2009, users flooded the Time 100 poll to ensure that the site’s founder, Christopher “moot” Poole, made the cut. In 2012, the pranksters employed Java scripts to vote for North Korean leader Kim Jong-un in Time’s annual Person of the Year poll and followed suit the next year with Miley Cyrus and Edward Snowden. 4chan also ensured a school for the deaf won a Taylor Swift concert. Likewise, a Twitter prankster helped send Pitbull to Kodiak, Alaska, as part of an online challenge by Walmart in 2012.

These types of efforts aren’t always successful, but given the tight turn of online polls during debates, they’re highly susceptible to such pranks.

In this latest incarnation, multiple Reddit users enlisted the Trump-supporting masses on r/The_Donald, which has over 200,000 subscribers, by posting dozens of online polls that are vulnerable to vote brigading, bots, and other forms of manipulation that make these non-scientific surveys notoriously unreliable.

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The goal, according to comments surrounding the poll-manipulation threads, is to twist the mainstream media narrative that crowned Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton the victor.

Polls that were not open to public voting consistently put Clinton ahead of Trump. In aflash poll by Public Policy Polling, Clinton led Trump 51 to 40. A CNN/ORC poll conducted immediately following the debate found significantly stronger support for Clinton, who topped Trump 62 to 27.


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Who won tonite's debate?
In my focus group, 6 people said Trump and 16 said Clinton.#DebateNight

You can say here: http://www.surveygizmo.com/s3/3069153/LUNTZ-GLOBAL-PRESIDENTIAL-DEBATE-FOCUS-GROUP-SEPTEMBER-26TH …

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While screwing with online polls will likely have little effect on the overall results of the election, which is currently in a dead heat between Trump and Clinton, the activities of Trump's supporters foreshadow the tactics we may see come election night—especially if Trump falls behind.

Additional reporting by Jason Reed.

 

[Jhhnn]

Clinton is remarkable under pressure, unflappable. Cool, calm, collected, confident & meticulously prepared. She exudes competence.

There are a lot of different ways to say it, but she also has Donald's number. She's hip to his bullshit. She has him dialed in like a bug under a microscope. Right in the cross hairs.

She waltzed him around like a trained poodle on a leash.

 

[emperus]

I like invited reporters to the gym to watch her workout.
I will say an expectation for her to stay lean isn't unreasonable in the context of the Pageant but I'm sure women voters will think differently especially since her fat weight was 160lbs and the average American woman weighs 166lbs.

I only date women who "work out", so I understand the desire to be fit. It's the comments and esp. inviting reporters to watch her workout that were probably humiliating, demeaning and left lasting damage.

 

[vi edit]

Well this is interesting:

While screwing with online polls will likely have little effect on the overall results of the election, which is currently in a dead heat between Trump and Clinton, the activities of Trump's supporters foreshadow the tactics we may see come election night—especially if Trump falls behind.

Additional reporting by Jason Reed.

The responsible choice for this is to simply not offer an online exit poll on their sites. Keep it to "real" exit polling data that can't be as easily manipulated.

 

[TakeNoPrisoners]

I think its great that Trump went after Hillary's experience as being bad experience. She has been in government for years and now she talks about how she will fix the stuff she voted for? What a joke.

 

[emperus]

I think its great that Trump went after Hillary's experience as being bad experience. She has been in government for years and now she talks about how she will fix the stuff she voted for? What a joke.

And her role in government was? Even presidents aren't dictators.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

I'm not quoting the whole thing but this is great

4chan also ensured a school for the deaf won a Taylor Swift concert.

 

[emperus]

Why does Trump keep defending Russia against the hacking claim esp. if he has no evidence either way? It seems very unpatriotic.

 

[IronWing]

I'm not quoting the whole thing but this is great

I looked it up. She ended up not giving the concert but did give all the students tickets to one of her other concerts and gave the school a big bag of money. Pitbull did go to Kodiak, Alaska and from the pics it looked like he kept it classy and put on a fun show.

 

[Brainonska511]

Why does Trump keep defending Russia against the hacking claim esp. if he has not evidence either way? It seems very unpatriotic.

He has to keep his money safe with those many respectable banks run by his upstanding buddies Boris, Vladimir, and Ivan.