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dank69

Lifer
Oct 6, 2009
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To you it is, not to me.

We don't need new laws or more government intervention to deal with that threat. It is just fear-mongering to get Americans to relinquish more control of their own lives.

The very best computer minds are in private industry, NOT THE GOVERNMENT. The solution will come from computer geniuses, not Washington bureaucrats on a power binge.
Haha, the NSA has a catalog of zero-days that is probably longer than the list of signatures that Kaspersky has. Many other states probably impressive zero-day catalogs as well. Governments pay way better for security knowledge than private industry does. An order of magnitude better.
 

flexy

Diamond Member
Sep 28, 2001
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I mean really who cares about Rosie O'Donnell and some long forgotten Miss Universe winner...no one

But I also feel she came off as exceptionally smug and wonder how that will be received by folks, guess we will have to wait for the polling results.

The "Miss Universe" thing that Clinton (rather brilliantly) brought up at the end, and then Trump's totally FAIL stunned "where did you get this from?" was probably the best move in the entire debate. It really was like little Timmy called up to the teacher and the world witnessing it. What was missing was only an actual spanking.

In an election THAT tight, this may decide the election.
 

dainthomas

Lifer
Dec 7, 2004
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While I don't think they care about rosie o'donnell or some miss universe contestant specifically, they should care how he refers to women, treats women and disrespects women. I think that was the takeaway there.
Just curious, have you ever condemned drumpf's smug behavior? He's shown it on countless occasions.

Alpha males are expected to be smug, while women are expected to be deferential. I believe this is what bozack is talking about.
 

fskimospy

Elite Member
Mar 10, 2006
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Trump, never for the Iraq war.
Jan, 2003:

Lester Holt was wrong against Trump.

No, Holt was totally right. Your own article links to politifact, which removes Fox's attempt at spin. At most Trump was saying that we should wait for the UN before invading, which is not at all opposition to it. His only clear statement on whether we should go to war or not was where he said "Yes".

So Trump, absolutely for the Iraq War.
 
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Feb 4, 2009
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The "Miss Universe" thing that Clinton (rather brilliantly) brought up at the end, and then Trump's totally FAIL stunned "where did you get this from?" was probably the best move in the entire debate. It really was like little Timmy called up to the teacher and the world witnessing it. What was missing was only an actual spanking.

In an election THAT tight, this may decide the election.

Lets not forget that Trump is being manipulated again by this as of a few hours ago Trump was still talking about what a horrible person she was (Miss Universe)
 
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fskimospy

Elite Member
Mar 10, 2006
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The outcome of the debate was as we expected. The "official" interpretation of it is that "Clinton won", but if you look around you can find as much Trump supporters who are convinced that he won.

Everyone is in their own bubble and from that P.o.V. I think everyone actually got confirmed in their own beliefs. The T haters got confirmation that he is a rambling idiot and liar. The T supporters got confirmation that he brought the "real" issues on the table etc..etc..

It was, although somewhat entertaining, a pointless debate.

The only ones which I think would have gotten something new from the debate would be people who maybe NEVER heard about Trump and watch him speak, they would've watched the debate and probably asked themselves what the idiot is doing up there. But then we can speculate there don't exist many of such people if at all.

I read one interesting opinion on CNN, where one of the (few) who thought that "Trump won" said
"being presidential won't help her win the election. She spoke to the intellectuals tuning in; she did not speak to the average American."

I think the woman had a point here. Trump supporters do NOT support him because he appears "presidential". He never did, and he never will be "presidential". It is NOT a criterion in this election, absurdly and sadly. And by being more intellectual and focused (what we say was a clear win for Clinton in the debate), Clinton merely spoke to her supporters while the "average American", the typical Trump supporter just got more confirmation (bias) that Trump is the guy "who gets things done" and Clinton "is just talk", DESPITE it very well being factually incorrect. Clinton needs to get nastier and expose Trump as what he is...respective needs to focus on "minorities" and women to sway them over (which I think she did a good job at), and the women vote may WELL decide this election this time!

Clinton isn't trying to win over Trump supporters. She doesn't need to.

Also, multiple independent scientific analyses of people's opinion of the results give Clinton a strong victory. It was in no way a wash.
 
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nakedfrog

No Lifer
Apr 3, 2001
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No, Holt was totally right. Your own article links to politifact, which removes Fox's attempt at spin. At most Trump was saying that we should wait for the UN before invading, which is not at all opposition to it. His only clear statement on whether we should go to war or not was where he said "Yes".

So Trump, absolutely for the Iraq War.
Eh, the only other quote I've seen is the one from Howard Stern where he said "I guess so", that's a bit wishy-washy to label "absolutely for".
 

Homerboy

Lifer
Mar 1, 2000
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While I don't think they care about rosie o'donnell or some miss universe contestant specifically, they should care how he refers to women, treats women and disrespects women. I think that was the takeaway there.
Just curious, have you ever condemned drumpf's smug behavior? He's shown it on countless occasions.

I can tell you that I have an "independent" grandmother (she prides herself on voting for the winner of every election since Eisenhower, with the exception of GWB) that hates Hillary Clinton but is voting for her anyways because she thinks Trump is a misogynistic brute. That might be a relatively small portion of independents, but Trump needs all the ones he can get. Anyone fickle enough to still be undecided at this point is fickle enough to get scared over some mean words or an awkward appearance.

Honestly, I don't understand how any woman, or any man with a daughter and/or mother, could vote for Trump.
 
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Eh, the only other quote I've seen is the one from Howard Stern where he said "I guess so", that's a bit wishy-washy to label "absolutely for".

I agree but its also not a definite "No" however the unreleased interview with Sean Hannity where he was strongly against invading Iraq is another question. Unfortunately that interview never aired, Sean appears to have no memory of it, there are no transcripts or recording that can be found.
 
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Homerboy

Lifer
Mar 1, 2000
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I agree but its also not a definite "No" however the unreleased interview with Sean Hannity where he was strongly against invading Iraq is another question. Unfortunately that interview never aired, Sean appears to have no memory of it, there are no transcripts or recording that can be found.

I also had the winning lottery ticket numbers. Though I have no ticket, no record of me buying it and there are no transcripts or recording that can be found.
 
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fskimospy

Elite Member
Mar 10, 2006
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Eh, the only other quote I've seen is the one from Howard Stern where he said "I guess so", that's a bit wishy-washy to label "absolutely for".

I agree it wasn't the world's most strident support of the war but it's still clear support. If your argument is that you were always against the Iraq war and your only public statement on the matter that says yes or no on that is you saying "yes", then you don't really have a leg to stand on.
 

nageov3t

Lifer
Feb 18, 2004
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he was for it before he was against it.

which is fine, most of the country was... but he needs to own up and explain it, not deny it ever happened.
 
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he was for it before he was against it.

which is fine, most of the country was... but he needs to own up and explain it, not deny it ever happened.
Trumps entire campaign persona is one who has never been wrong about anything ever. He has repeatedly framed everything as him knowing more than anyone else and always having taken the best side of every issue while dismissing all evidence that clearly demonstrate the contrary.

He is incapable of admitting he could possible be wrong about anything ever.
 

nakedfrog

No Lifer
Apr 3, 2001
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I agree it wasn't the world's most strident support of the war but it's still clear support. If your argument is that you were always against the Iraq war and your only public statement on the matter that says yes or no on that is you saying "yes", then you don't really have a leg to stand on.
Yeah, it may be that I just misunderstood your tone, the evidence supports him being "for" it, I took your statement as "he was 100% balls-deep gung-ho in favor of it".
he was for it before he was against it.

which is fine, most of the country was... but he needs to own up and explain it, not deny it ever happened.
I don't know, isn't it a bit late to change his entire MO?
 

Jaskalas

Lifer
Jun 23, 2004
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Honestly, I don't understand how any woman, or any man with a daughter and/or mother, could vote for Trump.

Same reason they could vote for Hillary, never let said women near the lecherous fiend in the White House.
 
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