Lets get ready for some Debating Cage Fights Round 1,2, and 3

[HomerJS]

What's pathetic about the link, is people believe this shit (read the comments)
Just like people thought Hilary was wearing some "secret device" during the debates. Several "friends" on facebook actually linked articles and videos about it. Sadly, I had to point out to them that they were both wearing lavaliere microphones...

Guess what was that "secret device" Hillary was wearing??

 

[Jhhnn]

Guess what was that "secret device" Hillary was wearing??

But Trump spoke from the heart! Well, maybe from his gut.. well, maybe from a little further down...

I can't wait for Tuesday. It should create a lasting impression.

 

[nakedfrog]

I don't think Jhhnn is capable of changing his indoctrination levels enough to shock me, so I doubt that'll happen...

I'll assume this was posted with absolutely no sense of irony.

 

[nageov3t]

it was reported today that while Trump sat down with Chris Christie and a small team of others for debate prep on Sunday (notably excluding Roger Ailes), they didn't do traditional things like a mock town hall and Trump won't be taking any time off from the campaign trail for debate prep.

to prepare for his town hall with George HW Bush in 1992, Bill Clinton's team staged a mock town hall so accurate that it included exactly where the cameras would be so that Clinton could train himself where to look... when the debate commission ended up not having the right stools for the debate, they actually ended up using the ones from the Clinton campaign.

 

[yllus]

it was reported today that while Trump sat down with Chris Christie and a small team of others for debate prep on Sunday (notably excluding Roger Ailes), they didn't do traditional things like a mock town hall and Trump won't be taking any time off from the campaign trail for debate prep.

Excellent.

 

[K1052]

Apparently he's too busy implying that veterans with PTSD are weak. Also got the suicide figure wrong...again.

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/10/trump-veterans-ptsd-not-strong-229050

It's like he's willfully manufacturing ammunition for Clinton to use against him on a 24/7 basis.

 

[JSt0rm]

PTSD soldiers are weak now? Lmao. I love how ignorant this guy is.

 

[vi edit]

Apparently he's too busy implying that veterans with PTSD are weak. Also got the suicide figure wrong...again.

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/10/trump-veterans-ptsd-not-strong-229050

It's like he's willfully manufacturing ammunition for Clinton to use against him on a 24/7 basis.

Ehhhhh...that's stretching his words a bit. I mean I loathe the guy, but he's word vomited a point far worse than that. I'll give him a pass on that conversation. He shit on Purple Heart parents and POW's. So he still has that going for him.

 

[K1052]

Ehhhhh...that's stretching his words a bit. I mean I loathe the guy, but he's word vomited a point far worse than that. I'll give him a pass on that conversation. He shit on Purple Heart parents and POW's. So he still has that going for him.

Based upon the quotes I've read of his comments in context I think it's entirely fair to say that's what he implied.

 

[Ackmed]

Just another moronic thing Trump has said. yes some people can handle it better, just as with all things in life. Also, no two events that can give someone PTSD are the same. Some people may have seen combat, but nobody hurt. Some people could have seen people hurt. Some people could have seen friends die in front of them. Some people may come home to a broken home, or not have the support they need from friends and family afterwards, putting them into a downward spiral. Drinking, drugs, endless jobs, etc. The divorce rate for people who have done multiple deployments is substantially higher than those who haven't. So comparing people in the room with him who he thinks has PTSD to those who have taken their lives is pretty silly. The support system you have when you come home is incredibly important.

His apparent attitude is a reason some people don't try to get help. He suggest some people can't handle it, which in turns makes them feel less of a person than someone else. They're less likely to seek help, and take things into their own hands. As I said, comparing two people's problems in this instance is silly. Especially considering the the vast majority of vets have NOT seen combat, even more so. Several years ago I was told than less than 2% of the armed forces have seen actual combat. Who knows if the people he was speaking to have all seen the horrors of war? I doubt it.

Ehhhhh...that's stretching his words a bit. I mean I loathe the guy, but he's word vomited a point far worse than that. I'll give him a pass on that conversation. He shit on Purple Heart parents and POW's. So he still has that going for him.

I agree it is stretching it, but give someone a little bit and they will take it and run when it comes to both candidates. I can understand what he is saying, he just didn't use his words very well. Also, the 22 suicides are the numbers that the media and all these "22 pushups a day" challenges are pushing as well. Nevertheless, a very poor choice of words.

 

[nageov3t]

PTSD soldiers are weak now? Lmao. I love how ignorant this guy is.

let's ask Trump how he feels about PTSD on November 9th

 

[CitizenKain]

How Donald Trump Ditched U.S. Steel Workers in Favor of China

Plenty of blue-collar workers believe that, as president, Donald Trump would be ready to fight off U.S. trade adversaries and reinvigorate the country’s manufacturing industries through his commitment to the Rust Belt. What they likely don’t know is that Trump has been stiffing American steel workers on his own construction projects for years, choosing to deprive untold millions of dollars from four key electoral swing states and instead directing it to China—the country whose trade practices have helped decimate the once-powerful industrial center of the United States.

http://www.newsweek.com/how-donald-trump-ditched-us-steel-workers-china-505717

I thought Trump was big on bringing companies back to the US, and punishing those who outsource, yet here we are.

 

[JSt0rm]

Desperate people clinging on to the wrong thing. It would make a interesting movie. Just make it about something not politics but the dynamic is interesting.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Post election interviews with Trumps campaign worker (of course the voices will be altered and they'll be interviewed in the dark room) should be interesting provided he loses.

 

[zinfamous]

Post election interviews with Trumps campaign worker (of course the voices will be altered and they'll be interviewed in the dark room) should be interesting provided he loses.

The information from the McCain staffers that were assigned to Palin was rather shocking at the time. I can only imagine how much more illuminating the info from the Trump camp would be. The problem with that, though, is I think so many of these are true believers (recruited by and willfully joined the Trump train; those working with Palin were McCain's people assigned to her, unhappily so) and getting any kind of honesty from them after the fact probably won't happen. Added to the fact that they have pretty much destroyed their political careers because of this turnip, they aren't going to be able to admit that they not only made such poor decisions, but that they essentially aided and abetted in this farce against the American public.

 

[Homerboy]

Ah shit. I just started a new thread on the PTSD comment. Didn't think to look in here first

 

[nageov3t]

I think Lewandowsky was the only Trump true believer (I'm not even sure if his own kids are)

most of the people in his orbit seem to be looking for the publicity (Kushner, Bannon, Giuliani), have no other options (Pence, Christie), or are political guns for hire who see themselves as working for the nominee of the party but aren't particularly loyal to Trump himself (Conway, Murphy)

 

[Jhhnn]

I think Lewandowsky was the only Trump true believer (I'm not even sure if his own kids are)

most of the people in his orbit seem to be looking for the publicity (Kushner, Bannon, Giuliani), have no other options (Pence, Christie), or are political guns for hire who see themselves as working for the nominee of the party but aren't particularly loyal to Trump himself (Conway, Murphy)

It's weaponized insincerity against structured ignorance.

Interesting piece on the subject-

https://medium.com/welcome-to-the-scream-room/im-with-the-banned-8d1b6e0b2932#.c2xf59sxk

 

[Starbuck1975]

Excellent.

Perhaps not. Trump got destroyed in the first debate and is coming off an incredibly poor week of gaffes and critical errors, and yet Clinton's lead is not growing substantially. I just read that Trump's lead in Ohio is actually growing, and he can still potentially take Florida? How is that even feasible?

Debates are not going to flip undecided voters. The only people excited about Clinton's debate performance are Clinton supporters and SNL.

What could flip undecided voters are large rallies. Trump is still drawing crowds. That is dangerous.

 

[Jhhnn]

Perhaps not. Trump got destroyed in the first debate and is coming off an incredibly poor week of gaffes and critical errors, and yet Clinton's lead is not growing substantially. I just read that Trump's lead in Ohio is actually growing, and he can still potentially take Florida? How is that even feasible?

Debates are not going to flip undecided voters. The only people excited about Clinton's debate performance are Clinton supporters and SNL.

What could flip undecided voters are large rallies. Trump is still drawing crowds. That is dangerous.

Rallies are for the faithful, not the uncommitted. How many people can a rally draw, anyway? It's not like he's booking NFL stadiums, is it?

The debates are a powerful forum that drew 84M viewers. The bigger the audience, the more likely candidates can sway a significant # of voters. The bigger an ass Trump can make of himself the fewer people who will actually vote for him, particularly with Hillary pushing his buttons like a pinball wizard working the flippers.

 

[jackstar7]

Perhaps not. Trump got destroyed in the first debate and is coming off an incredibly poor week of gaffes and critical errors, and yet Clinton's lead is not growing substantially. I just read that Trump's lead in Ohio is actually growing, and he can still potentially take Florida? How is that even feasible?

Debates are not going to flip undecided voters. The only people excited about Clinton's debate performance are Clinton supporters and SNL.

What could flip undecided voters are large rallies. Trump is still drawing crowds. That is dangerous.

What would qualify as substantial?

 

[Starbuck1975]

What would qualify as substantial?

One where a poor debate performance, another coughing fit or health scare, a wikileaks data dump or some other October surprise doesn't send the momentum back in Trump's direction. He literally imploded this past week and yet all it would take is one news cycle to place him in striking distance again.

 

[agent00f]

Honestly not a surprise that people who would vote for palin also don't think trump is beyond the pale.

 

[Jhhnn]

One where a poor debate performance, another coughing fit or health scare, a wikileaks data dump or some other October surprise doesn't send the momentum back in Trump's direction. He literally imploded this past week and yet all it would take is one news cycle to place him in striking distance again.

Please. I figure a lot of potential Trump voters are hanging on by a thread, hoping & praying he'll find some miraculous way to redeem himself rather than revealing more of the awful truth.

How's he doing so far? I know some people have short memories but it's hard to forget when Hillary's ads just show him in action, tearing down America & the bounds of common decency.

Shee-it, Sherlock- I figure that if he's fool enough to show up to another debate that Hillary will finish him. He'll have smoke pouring out of his ears before it's over because she has his number, big time.

 

[sontakke]

I hope jhhnn is an exception rather than the representative of Clinton voter. I think he is so sure of Clinton's win, he will not even have to vote this year. Where in the world are you picking up such misplaced overconfidence?