Let's get rid of the Confederate flag on public institutions.

[techs]

While I hear all sorts of reasons why the Confederate flag is ok to display on public buildings I reject them all.
You can find some good things that the Nazis flag stood for. But no one would consider them a good cause to fly that flag. And in the end one of the primary reasons for the Civil War was slavery. And to many,many people the Confederate flag still means to them racial superiorty and bigotry.
I can't imagine what a black American feels when he sees this flag over his State legislature, etc.
I do know what I would think if I saw the Nazis flag flying over some government building in my town.
If people want to celebrate that the Civil War was also about other issues, some of which have relevance today, then find some OTHER flag to make your point. There were many other flags used by Confederate states. Just put away the one that stands for racism to probably over 60 percent of the people in this country.

 

[EagleKeeper]

The banner was selected by the Confederate states.

The war was about state's rights.
Slavery was a byproduct of those rights.

People that want to think of it a racism nowdays are acting just as racist as what they proclaim to be against.

 

[5150Joker]

The confederate states tried seceding from the Union and their symbol of choice should thus be banned. Why should people celebrate a symbol of secession? Seems very unpatriotic to me.

 

[ntdz]

I agree, the Confederate flag has no place on govt buildings...Hell, it disgusts me when I see a bumper sticker of it or an actual flag flying (I don't think I've actually seen one here in Cali).

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: ntdz
I agree, the Confederate flag has no place on govt buildings...Hell, it disgusts me when I see a bumper sticker of it or an actual flag flying (I don't think I've actually seen one here in Cali).

If you grew up in small towns here in California like I did, you'd see a lot of the locals that migrated here from Southern states had them hanging in front of their porches and sometimes off their giant trucks. To me that was always a symbol of defiance against what the Union and as an extension what the United States stands for as a nation. It's an unpatriotic symbol and claiming it stands for state rights is laughable.

 

[engineereeyore]

I agree that the confederate flag should be removed. However, the Civil War was not about slavery, and anyone who has ever actually read a history book would know about that. It was the result of a conflict between the north's ideals to become self-sufficient and the south's reliance on trade. People in the North had slaves, even during the war. Those slaves were only offered freedom when the north realized they were going to get there butt kicked and needed more men. Slavery was a side issue and nothing more.

But like I said, it is true that it has no place in today's society other than in the history books.

 

[Generator]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker
The confederate states tried seceding from the Union and their symbol of choice should thus be banned. Why should people celebrate a symbol of secession? Seems very unpatriotic to me.

I agree, it a damn disgrace. The south lost now get rid of damn flag.

 

[dahunan]

But Jesus told them they could have slaves...

Isn't it amazing that a person could claim to know Jesus yet think it was OK to keep slaves...

 

[raildogg]

Your ignorance is clearly showing. To many, the confederate flag symbolizes rebelling. I've seen Europeans wearing it, I've seen blacks wearing it and all types of people wearing it somewhere. It does not necessarily mean the support for slavery. Also, the south didn't lose.

Read some books on the flag for once. Learn something. The flag means something different to different people. You people who want to ban it are not liberals, because you're denying my and my fellow Americans the right to showcase it. Also, tell the Europeans and others around the world who wear it to not wear it because you Northerners feel "uncomfortable". Pathetic.

The flag didn't stand for slavery, the people stood it. The Nazi flag is an ancient Hindu symbol, why should we ban it? If you want to ban something, ban the Nazis. The flag has no power if the people behind it are powerless. Today, the people who supported slavery are gone or are powerless.

 

[Whoozyerdaddy]

It's a little odd that some people think it's OK to burn the stars and bars per the first amendment... but flying the confederate flag? Nooooooo..... Can't have that.

 

[Strk]

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
It's a little odd that some people think it's OK to burn the stars and bars per the first amendment... but flying the confederate flag? Nooooooo..... Can't have that.

It's how you're suppposed to decomission it, so what's the problem?

And I find flying a confederate flag foolish, but I don't think we should ban it.

 

[her209]

And I don't care if people hang it on their cars, houses, etc., but it definitely does not belong on government buildings.

 

[dahunan]

At least it helps us identify the rednecks and racists

 

[Whoozyerdaddy]

Originally posted by: Strk

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
It's a little odd that some people think it's OK to burn the stars and bars per the first amendment... but flying the confederate flag? Nooooooo..... Can't have that.

It's how you're suppposed to decomission it, so what's the problem?

And I find flying a confederate flag foolish, but I don't think we should ban it.

Oh good grief... I'm not talking about decomissioning a flag. I'm talking about burning it in protest, laying it down like a rug under a water fountain, smearing feces on it and calling it art, ect.

 

[raildogg]

Originally posted by: dahunan
At least it helps us identify the rednecks and racists

Rednecks are not necessarily racists, and the people who show the Rebel flag are not racists, just like not all Koreans eat dogs.

 

[zendari]

In another thread you wanted states to secede. Hmmmm

So much for freedom in their beliefs.

 

[Strk]

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy

Originally posted by: Strk

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
It's a little odd that some people think it's OK to burn the stars and bars per the first amendment... but flying the confederate flag? Nooooooo..... Can't have that.

It's how you're suppposed to decomission it, so what's the problem?

And I find flying a confederate flag foolish, but I don't think we should ban it.

Oh good grief... I'm not talking about decomissioning a flag. I'm talking about burning it in protest, laying it down like a rug under a water fountain, smearing feces on it and calling it art, ect.

I don't think I can word it any better than Justice Brennan on why it should be allowed:

We can imagine no more appropriate response to burning a flag than waving one's own, no better way to counter a flag burner's message than by saluting the flag that burns, no surer means of preserving the dignity even of the flag that burned than by - as one witness here did - according its remains a respectful burial. We do not consecrate the flag by punishing its desecration, for in doing so we dilute the freedom that this cherished emblem represents.

Anyways, I'm not trying to pick on you, since you're just commenting on those wanting to ban one flag, while they enjoy desecrating another, when the truth is, what the flag represents is that you can do both if you feel like it.

 

[dahunan]

It is also odd to hear a Bush Supporter talk about being a rebel as a good thing.. seeing as how they call rebels unpatriotic and lock them up nowadays :thumbsup:

 

[Lyfer]

Sounds like a great idea for a southpark episode.

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: raildogg
Your ignorance is clearly showing. To many, the confederate flag symbolizes rebelling. I've seen Europeans wearing it, I've seen blacks wearing it and all types of people wearing it somewhere. It does not necessarily mean the support for slavery. Also, the south didn't lose.

Read some books on the flag for once. Learn something. The flag means something different to different people. You people who want to ban it are not liberals, because you're denying my and my fellow Americans the right to showcase it. Also, tell the Europeans and others around the world who wear it to not wear it because you Northerners feel "uncomfortable". Pathetic.

The flag didn't stand for slavery, the people stood it. The Nazi flag is an ancient Hindu symbol, why should we ban it? If you want to ban something, ban the Nazis. The flag has no power if the people behind it are powerless. Today, the people who supported slavery are gone or are powerless.

You must live in a bubble if you think the people that support slavery and/or segregation are gone. There's plenty of racists around that use the confederate flag and nazi swastika as their symbols. Oh and Europeans and Blacks wearing the confederate flag as a form of political protest? WTF?

 

[her209]

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
Oh good grief... I'm not talking about decomissioning a flag. I'm talking about burning it in protest, laying it down like a rug under a water fountain, smearing feces on it and calling it art, ect.

I think we're talking about local/state government endorsing a flag other than the state and national flag hence the talk of display of the Confederate flag on government buildings in the op.

 

[raildogg]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: raildogg
Your ignorance is clearly showing. To many, the confederate flag symbolizes rebelling. I've seen Europeans wearing it, I've seen blacks wearing it and all types of people wearing it somewhere. It does not necessarily mean the support for slavery. Also, the south didn't lose.

Read some books on the flag for once. Learn something. The flag means something different to different people. You people who want to ban it are not liberals, because you're denying my and my fellow Americans the right to showcase it. Also, tell the Europeans and others around the world who wear it to not wear it because you Northerners feel "uncomfortable". Pathetic.

The flag didn't stand for slavery, the people stood it. The Nazi flag is an ancient Hindu symbol, why should we ban it? If you want to ban something, ban the Nazis. The flag has no power if the people behind it are powerless. Today, the people who supported slavery are gone or are powerless.

You must live in a bubble if you think the people that support slavery and/or segregation are gone. There's plenty of racists around that use the confederate flag and nazi swastika as their symbols.

Nazis and racists exist. Let them exist. Let them use their symbols if they want. I don't associate the Rebel flag with slavery in many cases. If I see a person whom I know is a certified racist and flies that flag, then I would change my mind. I've talked with and come in contact with too many down here to know that many of these people are not racists. Some of my black friends call themselves rednecks. The culture here is completely different than what you guys think. I think the old Southerners of the past were some of the worst people to walk the earth and I am glad that things have changed and are changing.

By the way, I would bet the Nazis have more power in the Northwest than in the south. That is the impression I get.

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: raildogg
Your ignorance is clearly showing. To many, the confederate flag symbolizes rebelling. I've seen Europeans wearing it, I've seen blacks wearing it and all types of people wearing it somewhere. It does not necessarily mean the support for slavery. Also, the south didn't lose.

Read some books on the flag for once. Learn something. The flag means something different to different people. You people who want to ban it are not liberals, because you're denying my and my fellow Americans the right to showcase it. Also, tell the Europeans and others around the world who wear it to not wear it because you Northerners feel "uncomfortable". Pathetic.

The flag didn't stand for slavery, the people stood it. The Nazi flag is an ancient Hindu symbol, why should we ban it? If you want to ban something, ban the Nazis. The flag has no power if the people behind it are powerless. Today, the people who supported slavery are gone or are powerless.

You must live in a bubble if you think the people that support slavery and/or segregation are gone. There's plenty of racists around that use the confederate flag and nazi swastika as their symbols.

Nazis and racists exist. Let them exist. Let them use their symbols if they want. I don't associate the Rebel flag with slavery in many cases. If I see a person whom I know is a certified racist and flies that flag, then I would change my mind. I've talked with and come in contact with too many down here to know that many of these people are not racists. Some of my black friends call themselves rednecks. The culture here is completely different than what you guys think. I think the old Southerners of the past were some of the worst people to walk the earth and I am glad that things have changed and are changing.

By the way, I would bet the Nazis have more power in the Northwest than in the south. That is the impression I get.

I grew up with Southern migrants in California that carried the Confederate flag as a symbol of defiance and they were hardcore racists. As long as you have a faction of racists using these symbols, they have no place in government institutions or even in the private sector. Furthermore, as I've said already, the Confederate flag was the direct symbol of secession from the Union and should be viewed as an unpatriotic symbol.

 

[Generator]

The last time I checked, black people and europeans are not the United States government. The confederate flag is wholly an enemy of the United States. Therefore no US government should have that garbage flying on any government property.

I want to know which government building still has that garbage flapping on public property.

 

[IronMentality]

Originally posted by: dahunan
It is also odd to hear a Bush Supporter talk about being a rebel as a good thing.. seeing as how they call rebels unpatriotic and lock them up nowadays :thumbsup:

One example please of one U.S. citizen under the Patriot Act being detained.

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