It's the retarded patent system, they granted Apple patents on things like multi touch gestures which they didn't invent at all and such broad things. They just gave them all the ammo for their weapons.
Funny how the iPhone looks oddly like pretty much any GUI OS. Icons displayed on a grid, all stolen by Jobs from Xerox.
Your comparison shots are fairly comical honestly. The iOS screen looks a lot more like a BlackBerry then the released Android devices do. A plain grid of icons is just how RIM handles their screens, the Android desktop has a widget, a task bar, and an app drawer. The only common element is that they both use shortcut icons, which Xerox started decades before iOS was thought of.
Pretty much every single iPhone user I have spoken to about phones has been very impressed with the 4.3 inch screen phone I had on me at the time.
I'm not sure if Retina has ever been given a strict definition, but right now, it's defined as a 300dpi screen at 10" away from the face (I believe that's correct) with 20/20 vision. If Apple goes under this, then they are going against their own terms. While people think of Apple as fairly evil, they do seem to be very anal about such things.
I really don't get the point of this. So does this mean that GM has done nothing for the car industry since they stole the wheel idea from cavemen?
As far as I'm concerned I don't think Xerox ever made an all touch smartphone that shook the market like Apple did with the iPhone. So I don't really get the argument of Jobs stealing the UI from Xerox.
Comical? You honestly thinking iOS looks more like a BB is pretty comical.
Android 2007 and BB OS 5
Qwerty keyboard, trackpad like navigation, very similar contextual menu to the BB. It wasn't until the iPhone was released that Google decided to slowly ditch the qwerty navigation and move towards an intuitive touch UI. You can see this migration in Android devices from 2008 and up.
Eric Schmidt, the CEO of Google was on the board of directors at Apple during the development of iOS. I'm willing to bet he's responsible for the look of Android we know today.
I'm one of em. I prefer the iPhone, but I prefer a 4.3" screen.
Yes clearly it was the iPhone that came up with a touch screen, a simple to use grid of application icons, and an onscreen keyboard. Everyone else should pay them royalties for their invention.
So now a black and white pocket PC that uses a stylus and has absolute zero phone features at all is in the same category as an iPhone? Jesus, how many other products do you want to lump in this category?
Edit: And you still glossed over the obvious similarities in the BB os and the original android OS. Typical
You miss the point... None of this shit new. All this patent garbage is just serving to stifle the innovation here in the states. In the end we lose. Our patent systems need serious reform ASAP.
Anyone who wants something other then 3.5" is getting screwed over. There may be people that want a screen smaller then 3.5", with iOS they are getting screwed over because Apple tells them exactly what they want and they get no choice.
One of many reasons, absolutely. Simply look at the utter implosion Blackberry has had over the last couple of years. Selling a device with a tiny screen and significantly lower specs then the competition while still charging premium prices are yet another example of them screwing over the customers(this can apply to either Apple or RIM).
iOS may have been a bit limited in its original release but it has come a very long way. iOS doesn't need a traditional start menu but the dock at the bottom can serve as a limited one even on iOS 1.0. While there was no set "app drawer" you can easily group similar apps on the same page. Games on one, utilities on another, productivity apps on another, etc. Not elegant, but functional. In the current iOS there are folders you can group icons in on top of the app pages. The dock at the bottom of iOS can also hold not just apps but app folders. Finally, there is also a list that is accessible of recently used apps (the limited multi-tasking of iOS).Icons thrown on the desktop with limited options in how to deal with them, folder or seperate them out in clusters. Limited options for customization, no Start menu/app drawer. BTW- How is Android heavily influenced by iOS?
Yes. But you were talking about getting screwed. While iOS is not as quick to access customized information as the notification and widgets is for Android, it's not like it's cumbersome to get to said info. It doesn't change the fact that iOS can still do everything (barring stuff like multi-tasking) that a consumer needs/wants in a smartphone without being overly cumbersome about it. So it all boils down to your opinion that Apple is screwing people while it is my opinion that Apple is not.You can do everything from a CLI that you can do with iOS's UI. In real world terms, Android's UI has multiple ways of getting information in a significantly faster and easier method then iOS.
Wow. Talk about jumping to conclusions and sensationalism. We're talking about taking a few extra seconds and a couple more clicks to access information. We're not talking multiple hand cramping movements or minutes. You're making it seem like you need to jump through hoops to get access to information on an iPhone. I like instant gratification as much as the next guy but I find it ludicrous if you can't wait an extra 3 seconds to access your stock ticker or your sports scores.Using your argument you can take it to its' logical conclusion that noone needs a smartphone at all. For real world uses, making information easier to access is a major reason to have a smartphone, and on that front Android is clearly superior to iOS. For the record, it isn't just Android that offers superior functionality to iOS on this front.
Premium price? Most high end Androids are the same price as the iPhone. Their value drops much much faster than the iPhone. Perhaps consumers view it as a lesser value and the iPhone is viewed as having more value.You can say that about the iPhone and easily so. Paying a premium price for a tiny screen, very limited RAM, very outdated processor and a functionally inferior OS certainly adds up to screwing over the customer. You are paying a premium price for inferior technology, that pretty much sums up screwing over the customer.
First and foremost, this is probably the 3rd or 4th time you've done this in response to a post by me. I didn't post what you quoted and responded to. Attribute the quote correctly. I don't go around reading every post by you or anyone else but again this is probably the 3rd or 4th time that you've done this when responding directly to a post by me. Previous times were in a different sub forum but it was the same issue.What about Apple stealing HTC's IP? I think this is the more interesting issue to watch, when Apple isn't allowed to produce their in house processors any more it could make for an exceptional oppurtunity for MS and HP to gain massive marketshare quickly.
I think it's extremely lame that Google is just sitting by the sidelines while Android handset manufacturers are getting sued left and right. They created Android and gave it away in order to get more people using Google's services, so they can ultimately collect more data and use it to sell ads.
Google are the ones taking in the lion's share of the profits, while their handset partners are the ones exposed to all the risk.
Could it be that Google is silent because they don't have a leg to stand on in court?
Funny how the iPhone looks oddly like pretty much any GUI OS. Icons displayed on a grid, all stolen by Jobs from Xerox.
Software patents are a horrible thing that need to die.
Pinch zoom requiring R&D? To be patentable an idea must be "non-obvious" and that's pretty obvious to me. Apple was just the first company to have a large screen multi-touch device capable of implementing such an obvious feature. This whole thing is a poster child for how broken the US patent system is.
Yes clearly it was the iPhone that came up with a touch screen, a simple to use grid of application icons, and an onscreen keyboard. Everyone else should pay them royalties for their invention.
Funny. When I saw it, I thought "Wow. almost just like Minority Report. The future is here already".
I tend to agree with Obscure that it's a pretty obvious way to do it...
Pinch-to-Zoom on the iPhone 1 was huge because prior to that most PDAs and Smartphones got around the problem of low screen resolutions by avoiding situations when it came up- IE. only mobile internet sites- or the even worse idea of using desktop solutions - scroll bars.
Steve Jobs changed the world when he loaded a full normal webpage in the iPhone and used Pinch-to-Zoom to browse it unpainfully. That was the "killer app" on my first iPhone without apps, and honestly it is the reason I will always have a smartphone from here on out.
I think something like that is worth something, so maybe the phone makers should pay. Not $5 a phone, but something. If they don't want to pay they need to come up with another zoom gesture- like Samsung has done- and market it to consumers or just stick to the "tons of prior art" double-tab zoom.
One side note, absolutely fuck Motorola. I just typed the word zoom a whole bunch and each time I either wanted to capitalize it or spell it with an X.
Here's something to think about. Apple is suing handset makers, Moto, HTC, Samsung, etc, the people who make Android devices, and not Google, the people who make Android. If Android is violating these patents, then why isn't Apple going after the source of the problem?
That's nice and all, but I don't think you can patent a hand gesture, and even if you could it would be a horrible idea. We don't need fifty different types of gestures to zoom. If I pick up a touch screen device, I expect that if I pinch, it will zoom.
If Apple want's to patent a particular algorithm or implementation of pinch to zoom that makes it easier for the processor to handle, I'm fine with that, but as there are probably dozens of different ways to actually implement that there's no way that they could get a patent for such a broad concept.
Pinch-to-zoom is Apple's patented gesture control. It controls zooming in and zooming out of an image or web site or whatever. This is very intuitive and seems like an obvious way to do things. However, what sounds obvious now may not have been so in hindsight.
There are different ways zooming in and zooming out may be enabled as you noted. But using a different gesture control to zoom in and zoom out is not pinch-to-zoom. It's a different gesture input to control zooming in and zooming out, but it is not pinch-to-zoom. Pinch-to-zoom is a very specific and descriptive gesture control. I could create a way to zoom by stating that you set two fingers down on the screen and spin them clockwise to zoom in, counter-clockwise to zoom out, but that's not pinch-to-zoom.
The real question is the "obviousness" of pinch-to-zoom behavior prior to Apple's patent since it is just another form of multi-touch gesture control. As I noted in a previous post, the University of Delaware holds patents 6888536 and 6323846, both of which relate to multi-touch.
The problem with that argument is that there are a limited number of simple hand gestures that can be used. There are one finger swipes, two finger swipes, two finger pinches, etc. The type of gesture that is used is irrelevant, merely the method used in order to determine which gesture is being made.
The university of Delaware patents don't talk about anything than recognizing gestures for one or multiple fingers and say nothing about what kind of gesture is being used. Even still, I'm sure some clever bastard could find a loophole in their claims.
Looks like WM7 is starting to benefit already
http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20110718PD212.html
Some good discussions cooking in this thread, nice to see some of you taking off the fanboy hats
If Android goes away, is sued outta existence...I will jump on the WP7 bandwagon.
After learning things about the iPhone I just dont want one anymore. I was on the old Win Mo, it was my first smart phone. I can see myself going back.
I did like what I saw from the Nokia phone with Meego. If that showed up in the US I could see me getting that too.
Google has not abandoned its partners
http://www.noticeorange.com/StoryBo...RpY2VvcmFuZ2VyDQsSBFNpdGUY2ZLqAQw&font_size=9
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