Lets revive the AT Muscle Car Club!

[RKS]

I have a vehicle with a 5.7 V8

 

[The Boston Dangler]

Originally posted by: RKS
I have a vehicle with a 5.7 V8

is it a ford van?

 

[The Boston Dangler]

Originally posted by: AdamK47

Originally posted by: The Boston Dangler
where do you drag race your car?

US-131 Dragway when I lived in Michigan. Edgewater Sports Park now that I live in Cinci.

next year, i'd like to take a 2 day course at Skip Barber or Bondurant. there will be a small SCCA road course opening up in western mass.

http://www.palmermotorsportspark.com/

 

[AdamK47]

Originally posted by: The Boston Dangler

Originally posted by: AdamK47

Originally posted by: The Boston Dangler
where do you drag race your car?

US-131 Dragway when I lived in Michigan. Edgewater Sports Park now that I live in Cinci.

next year, i'd like to take a 2 day course at Skip Barber or Bondurant. there will be a small SCCA road course opening up in western mass.

http://www.palmermotorsportspark.com/

What would you bring to that track that would verify your abilities to multi lap said nondescript Mustang?

 

[The Boston Dangler]

that would be a G35 coupe

 

[RKS]

Originally posted by: The Boston Dangler

Originally posted by: RKS
I have a vehicle with a 5.7 V8

is it a ford van?

YEAH! Have you seen it ????? It's the white one that says 'Free Candy' on the side.

 

[The Boston Dangler]

i saw your picture, with the title "Level III"

 

[GoatMonkey]

Originally posted by: The Boston Dangler

Originally posted by: exdeath

Originally posted by: The Boston Dangler
my car goes around corners, so i'm out.

So does mine, and I am definitely in.

I hate the misconception that a car can only have 100 HP if it is to corner properly. You can have good handling AND power both ya know... or did it not occur that you can build up the suspension of a car with a big engine, or build up the engine of a car with good suspension?

With that logic the "twisties" crowd would have you believe if you add 500 HP to a Miata it will suddenly corner like a Buick; learn to respect the throttle n00bs.

my car has noticeably more than 100 hp, thx. it also has huge brakes, independant rear suspension, lsd, traction control, dowshift rev matching, safety up the wazoo and an interior better than any cadillac.

would i get smoked on a 1/4 mile strip? i certainly should. but on a road course, i wonder how many times i could lap a mustang before the stang goes ass-first into a wall or ditch.

Cobras have independent suspension, upgraded brakes, and a lot more power than a G35, with easy cheap upgrades to make a lot more (around 500hp total for around $1000 extra, with pulleys/intake etc.).

The G35 is a different kind of car though, it does have a better interior and more safety features. It's a great car, and honestly is on my list of cars to look at closer as my next car.

However, a 2003-2004 Cobra would beat a G35 around a track or in a straight line with no problems given equal drivers.

 

[RKS]

Originally posted by: GoatMonkey

Originally posted by: The Boston Dangler

Originally posted by: exdeath

Originally posted by: The Boston Dangler
my car goes around corners, so i'm out.

So does mine, and I am definitely in.

I hate the misconception that a car can only have 100 HP if it is to corner properly. You can have good handling AND power both ya know... or did it not occur that you can build up the suspension of a car with a big engine, or build up the engine of a car with good suspension?

With that logic the "twisties" crowd would have you believe if you add 500 HP to a Miata it will suddenly corner like a Buick; learn to respect the throttle n00bs.

my car has noticeably more than 100 hp, thx. it also has huge brakes, independant rear suspension, lsd, traction control, dowshift rev matching, safety up the wazoo and an interior better than any cadillac.

would i get smoked on a 1/4 mile strip? i certainly should. but on a road course, i wonder how many times i could lap a mustang before the stang goes ass-first into a wall or ditch.

Cobras have independent suspension, upgraded brakes, and a lot more power than a G35, with easy cheap upgrades to make a lot more (around 500hp total for around $1000 extra, with pulleys/intake etc.).

The G35 is a different kind of car though, it does have a better interior and more safety features. It's a great car, and honestly is on my list of cars to look at closer as my next car.

However, a 2003-2004 Cobra would beat a G35 around a track or in a straight line with no problems given equal drivers.

As a Nissan fan, I would still agree.

 

[exdeath]

Originally posted by: The Boston Dangler

Originally posted by: exdeath

Originally posted by: The Boston Dangler
my car goes around corners, so i'm out.

So does mine, and I am definitely in.

I hate the misconception that a car can only have 100 HP if it is to corner properly. You can have good handling AND power both ya know... or did it not occur that you can build up the suspension of a car with a big engine, or build up the engine of a car with good suspension?

With that logic the "twisties" crowd would have you believe if you add 500 HP to a Miata it will suddenly corner like a Buick; learn to respect the throttle n00bs.

my car has noticeably more than 100 hp, thx. it also has huge brakes, independant rear suspension, lsd, traction control, dowshift rev matching, safety up the wazoo and an interior better than any cadillac.

would i get smoked on a 1/4 mile strip? i certainly should. but on a road course, i wonder how many times i could lap a mustang before the stang goes ass-first into a wall or ditch.

All the things you mentioned, huge Brembo brakes, independent rear, lsd, traction control, safety (air bags, 4 channel antilock brakes, etc) are all standard on my 03 Cobra.

Other than seats, you got me on interior though.

Wasn't knocking your car or anything, just saying in general, just because you have all those other things doesn't mean it can't go fast in a straight line too. And just because a car can beat most others in a drag race doesn't automatically mean it has to handle like a brick.

People seem to think a car is either a straight line only muscle car with a welded steering rack that can't turn, or a gutless Miata that can circle the track all day with but with less than 100 HP, and that it's either or. There are cars that are FAST and can HANDLE, at the same time! :Q

Sounds to me like the people who think that way are inexperienced drivers who's only experience with a high power car is trying to floor a 400+ HP car around the corner the same way they do in their 100 HP Miata. Some people will say "well in the Miata you can go full throttle around the corner, you cant do that in a Mustang or you'll end up in a ditch therefore the Miata is a better handling car". There are other throttle positions between 0% and 100%.

 

[GoatMonkey]

Here's some proof of the speed on a track:

http://www.caranddriver.com/co...nfiniti-g35-coupe.html

"These figures better the corresponding numbers from the Cobra, but the Infiniti still couldn't quite match the powerful Ford's lap times at the Streets. Certainly, the Mustang's additional 110 horsepower was a big advantage, but the G35 was also hampered by understeer and a balky gearbox."

Now the Cobra did get last place in that comparison, but it's not because it's the slowest.

 

[The Boston Dangler]

There are cars that are FAST and can HANDLE, at the same time!

that's unpossible!!! :|

i didn't know the SVTs had ind. rear suspension. even the new stang has a solid axle in base trim. will the new camaro have ind. rear?

 

[The Boston Dangler]

Originally posted by: GoatMonkey
Here's some proof of the speed on a track:

http://www.caranddriver.com/co...nfiniti-g35-coupe.html

"These figures better the corresponding numbers from the Cobra, but the Infiniti still couldn't quite match the powerful Ford's lap times at the Streets. Certainly, the Mustang's additional 110 horsepower was a big advantage, but the G35 was also hampered by understeer and a balky gearbox."

Now the Cobra did get last place in that comparison, but it's not because it's the slowest.

yeah, the G35 certainly improved since 2003. the 03 and 04 have a lot of gremlins not present in my 06.

 

[exdeath]

Originally posted by: GoatMonkey
Here's some proof of the speed on a track:

http://www.caranddriver.com/co...nfiniti-g35-coupe.html

"These figures better the corresponding numbers from the Cobra, but the Infiniti still couldn't quite match the powerful Ford's lap times at the Streets. Certainly, the Mustang's additional 110 horsepower was a big advantage, but the G35 was also hampered by understeer and a balky gearbox."

Now the Cobra did get last place in that comparison, but it's not because it's the slowest.

I agree with everything in that review. It's a balls out car, straights and twisties, but it's tuned tight and stiff. Very unforgiving and hard to live with on public streets daily driving through pot holes and cracks unless you are an enthusiast who doesn't let a little bump wipe the perma-grin off your face.

They described the tail slide perfectly, in stock form it's very precise, you can play with your right foot and put the rear end exactly where you want it when you want it. I imagine that property would make a very good drift car if you're into that.

They didn't mention it but the Cobra skidpad number is something like .93g on the stock Goodyear Eagle F1 tires. Thats better than the last I6 M3.

The handling capabilities of the '03 Cobra are severely underestimated.

 

[exdeath]

Originally posted by: The Boston Dangler
There are cars that are FAST and can HANDLE, at the same time!

that's unpossible!!! :|

i didn't know the SVTs had ind. rear suspension. even the new stang has a solid axle in base trim. will the new camaro have ind. rear?

Pretty sure it will, the Charger, Challenger, Magnum, GTO, etc, are all independent rear.

And not just the base trim Mustang, but even the Shelby GT500 too! They claimed to do it to save cost and weight, but the car is heavier and more expensive anyway. Enthusiast who want a drag car want a solid and say it's better, but in reality, it's not better, just easier to achieve that objective. Throw in a solid axle and you are done. You can build up a IRS to hook just as hard as a solid, it just takes a more effort and money.

 

[The Boston Dangler]

too bad the AWD Magnum doesn't get the V8's and a stick

 

[AdamK47]

Slow #1
Slow #2
Slow #3

 

[GoatMonkey]

Originally posted by: The Boston Dangler
There are cars that are FAST and can HANDLE, at the same time!

that's unpossible!!! :|

i didn't know the SVTs had ind. rear suspension. even the new stang has a solid axle in base trim. will the new camaro have ind. rear?

The next Camaro having and independent rear suspension is a definite maybe. It's up to the bean counters. They are trying to get it in at a price point.

The Pontiac G8 does have the independent suspension and it's $30k using pretty much the same platform as the next Camaro. So, it's pretty likely that it will have one, but the Camaro will probably cost a bit more than the Mustang because of it.

 

[Pacfanweb]

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I guess that should qualify.

 

[Dead3ye]

I was in the club. Check sig.

 

[Fenixgoon]

Originally posted by: AdamK47

Originally posted by: The Boston Dangler

Originally posted by: exdeath

Originally posted by: The Boston Dangler
my car goes around corners, so i'm out.

So does mine, and I am definitely in.

I hate the misconception that a car can only have 100 HP if it is to corner properly. You can have good handling AND power both ya know... or did it not occur that you can build up the suspension of a car with a big engine, or build up the engine of a car with good suspension?

With that logic the "twisties" crowd would have you believe if you add 500 HP to a Miata it will suddenly corner like a Buick; learn to respect the throttle n00bs.

my car has noticeably more than 100 hp, thx. it also has huge brakes, independant rear suspension, lsd, traction control, dowshift rev matching, safety up the wazoo and an interior better than any cadillac.

would i get smoked on a 1/4 mile strip? i certainly should. but on a road course, i wonder how many times i could lap a mustang before the stang goes ass-first into a wall or ditch.

What road course do you go to with your car... whatever it is?

ever heard of a joke? dear god

 

[Gillbot]

Originally posted by: The Boston Dangler
where do you drag race your car?

Tri-State Dragway
Kil-Kare Raceway
Summit Motorsports Park (Formerly Norwalk)
National Trail Raceway

 

[SparkyJJO]

I wish I could say I have muscle car but my stock V6 doesn't quite cut it I'm sure

My camaro

Nice car Gillbot! :thumbsup:

 

[fbrdphreak]

My ride (daily driver)
Her ride (project car)

 

[440sixpack]

I'm in, see sig for my rustbucket.