Originally posted by: shimsham
more likely a case of this.Originally posted by: blackangst1
wow so many responses and only one person has even attempted to discuss. I guess people are more shallow than I thought *shrug*
Originally posted by: Ryan
if you understood the affirmative action system, you'd understand that race only comes into play when there are two EQUALLY qualified applicants. The basic principles of AA would not let unqualified applicants be hired. Any instances where this has happened have been due to a basic misunderstanding of the AA system.
With AA, if Jo-Ann, a white woman, and Cindy, a black woman, both applied for a job position, and they were BOTH equally qualified, Cindy would be more likely to get the position due to AA.
If Jo-ann was more qualified, and Cindy was not, Cindy would not get the position.
Originally posted by: Agnostos Insania
Originally posted by: blackangst1
Originally posted by: KoolAidKid
Given this thread your username is confusing.
How so? Do you know what angst is? You have heard the expression a black heart?
He has a point. "Blackangst" sounds like either a 14 year-old goth kid or some "I'm black and opinionated" black person.
Anyway, time to chime in on my take on your questions:
1. Honestly, many white people aren't that offended by things other races say about whites because we have control over them. Caucasians hold all the cards in this country and most of the world. The "New Orleans Chocolate City" incident is laughed at by all the people I know. If the situation was reversed and the majority of wealth/control in America was in the hands of blacks, the "chocolate city" thing would hold more ground. It's probably racist to judge it as laughable, but in this day and age everything is racist.
2. It's been said before, but we do; it's for specific countries. I guess there's enough variance in culture between European countries that "White Pride" is overlooked by most other than racists. Again, it's a power thing. Whites don't have a history of being oppressed and told they're inferior human beings, at least not from another race. Then again, it's fairly recent that "Jewish" people were considered white, and they're still not by many.
3. Who knows. I think they were more concerned with establishing an independant country for religious freedom than a place where all races could congregate as equals. It's interesting that the president associated with freeing the slaves, Mr. Lincoln, suffered from mental illness(es).
4. The majority of stereotypes have truth in them, if they didn't they wouldn't be stereotypes. I argue this all the time actually.
5. Maybe in the relatively short time that whites have existed, we abandoned muscle to focus on mind, but if that's true there's not a major difference. Anyway, the average white person has a lot more options than the average black person to succeed. If you're poor you're screwed, and a much higher percentage of blacks than whites are impoverished. The best option for many black males is to be entertainers.
Originally posted by: cKGunslinger
Aye, then throw in a nobody ATOT member with a potentially inflamatory username and an apparent superiority complex...
You pass me on the street and sneer in my direction.
You call me "Cracker", "Honkey", "Whitey" and even "The Man" and you think it's OK.
But when I call you, "N - word", "beloved patriot", "beloved patriot", "Sand- N word", "comrade", "beloved patriot" or "beloved patriot" you call me a racist.
You say that whites commit a lot of violence against you, so why are the ghettos the most dangerous places to live
You have the United Negro College Fund.
You have Martin Luther King Day.
You have Black History Month.
You have Cesar Chavez Day.
You have Yom Hashoah
You have Ma'uled Al-Nabi
You have the NAACP.
You have BET.
If we had WET(white entertainment television) we'd be racists.
If we had a White Pride Day you would call us racists.
If we had white history month, we'd be racists.
If we had an organization for only whites to "advance" our lives, we'd be racists.
If we had a college fund that only gave white students scholarships, you know we'd be racists.
In the Million Man March, you believed that you were marching for your race and rights. If we marched for our race and rights, you would call us racists.
You are proud to be black, brown, yellow and orange, and you're
not afraid to announce it. But when we announce our white pride, you call us racists.
You rob us, carjack us, and shoot at us.
But, when a white police officer shoots a black gang member or beats up a black drug-dealer running from the law and posing a threat to society, you call him a racist.
I am white.
I am proud.
Originally posted by: shilala
Originally posted by: Proletariat
Originally posted by: shilala
It's everyone's right to be racist if they like.
I reserve my right to be as racist as I want to be whenever I want to be.
It's none of my business whether or not anyone is racist, and I really don't care.
On the other hand, I do think the world would be a much better place if everyone would just mind their own goddam business.
so if someone calls you a white honkey and doesn't give you a job you wouldn't care?
This why these threads are pointless, some turd always comes in and says something ridiculous
Answer to Question #1:
No. I don't care. I don't need anyone to give me anything, never did.
I have an education, talent, drive, and can earn on my own (and consequently do).
If that doesn't get it I can always steal.
Comment:
This thread was 100% turdfree prior to your grace.
Originally posted by: JLGatsby
Originally posted by: Ryan
if you understood the affirmative action system, you'd understand that race only comes into play when there are two EQUALLY qualified applicants. The basic principles of AA would not let unqualified applicants be hired. Any instances where this has happened have been due to a basic misunderstanding of the AA system.
With AA, if Jo-Ann, a white woman, and Cindy, a black woman, both applied for a job position, and they were BOTH equally qualified, Cindy would be more likely to get the position due to AA.
If Jo-ann was more qualified, and Cindy was not, Cindy would not get the position.
Yeah, two people equally qualified, but the employer is forced to hire someone of a certain race? That's the very definition of racism.
Affirmative Action is racist on two counts.
1. It assumes the white employer is too racist to give the minority the job if they are qualified.
2. And it assumes if the white employer isn't racist, the minority candidate is too dumb to earn the job themselves.
Both of which statements are flat out racist and lies.
Originally posted by: BouZouki
You pass me on the street and sneer in my direction.
You call me "Cracker", "Honkey", "Whitey" and even "The Man" and you think it's OK.
But when I call you, "N - word", "beloved patriot", "beloved patriot", "Sand- N word", "comrade", "beloved patriot" or "beloved patriot" you call me a racist.
You say that whites commit a lot of violence against you, so why are the ghettos the most dangerous places to live
You have the United Negro College Fund.
You have Martin Luther King Day.
You have Black History Month.
You have Cesar Chavez Day.
You have Yom Hashoah
You have Ma'uled Al-Nabi
You have the NAACP.
You have BET.
If we had WET(white entertainment television) we'd be racists.
If we had a White Pride Day you would call us racists.
If we had white history month, we'd be racists.
If we had an organization for only whites to "advance" our lives, we'd be racists.
If we had a college fund that only gave white students scholarships, you know we'd be racists.
In the Million Man March, you believed that you were marching for your race and rights. If we marched for our race and rights, you would call us racists.
You are proud to be black, brown, yellow and orange, and you're
not afraid to announce it. But when we announce our white pride, you call us racists.
You rob us, carjack us, and shoot at us.
But, when a white police officer shoots a black gang member or beats up a black drug-dealer running from the law and posing a threat to society, you call him a racist.
I am white.
I am proud.
I didn't write this, just stumbled apon it.
Discuss.
Originally posted by: sisq0kidd
Originally posted by: JLGatsby
Originally posted by: Ryan
if you understood the affirmative action system, you'd understand that race only comes into play when there are two EQUALLY qualified applicants. The basic principles of AA would not let unqualified applicants be hired. Any instances where this has happened have been due to a basic misunderstanding of the AA system.
With AA, if Jo-Ann, a white woman, and Cindy, a black woman, both applied for a job position, and they were BOTH equally qualified, Cindy would be more likely to get the position due to AA.
If Jo-ann was more qualified, and Cindy was not, Cindy would not get the position.
Yeah, two people equally qualified, but the employer is forced to hire someone of a certain race? That's the very definition of racism.
Affirmative Action is racist on two counts.
1. It assumes the white employer is too racist to give the minority the job if they are qualified.
2. And it assumes if the white employer isn't racist, the minority candidate is too dumb to earn the job themselves.
Both of which statements are flat out racist and lies.
I disagree. Racism is the belief that one race is superior than the other, and picking one race over another to attempt to correct problems that may have led to unfortunate situations currently is not racist. No one is assuming the employer is racist.
Affirmative action assumes that both a white and black man are already equaly qualified, so your second point is moot.
Originally posted by: JToxic
5. Why do white's suck at sports? Sure there are exceptions, but the exceptions MAKE the rule. I'm sorry, but blacks are more talented, more fluid, stronger, have more endurance, and more dexterious than whites. Why?
A lot of blacks in the US are very large, muscular people whereas blacks in Africa are not as large. I'm not completley sure on this, but I think that selective breeding of slaves produced abnormally large and strong people.
Originally posted by: Agnostos Insania
Originally posted by: cKGunslinger
Aye, then throw in a nobody ATOT member with a potentially inflamatory username and an apparent superiority complex...
Oh the delicious ironing.
Originally posted by: Ryan
Screw this thread - I say you need to take a general ethics class and focus on Affirmative Action, and other injustices. You'll get a general understanding of the answers to all of those questions.
Originally posted by: Ryan
Originally posted by: sisq0kidd
Originally posted by: JLGatsby
Originally posted by: Ryan
if you understood the affirmative action system, you'd understand that race only comes into play when there are two EQUALLY qualified applicants. The basic principles of AA would not let unqualified applicants be hired. Any instances where this has happened have been due to a basic misunderstanding of the AA system.
With AA, if Jo-Ann, a white woman, and Cindy, a black woman, both applied for a job position, and they were BOTH equally qualified, Cindy would be more likely to get the position due to AA.
If Jo-ann was more qualified, and Cindy was not, Cindy would not get the position.
Yeah, two people equally qualified, but the employer is forced to hire someone of a certain race? That's the very definition of racism.
Affirmative Action is racist on two counts.
1. It assumes the white employer is too racist to give the minority the job if they are qualified.
2. And it assumes if the white employer isn't racist, the minority candidate is too dumb to earn the job themselves.
Both of which statements are flat out racist and lies.
I disagree. Racism is the belief that one race is superior than the other, and picking one race over another to attempt to correct problems that may have led to unfortunate situations currently is not racist. No one is assuming the employer is racist.
Affirmative action assumes that both a white and black man are already equaly qualified, so your second point is moot.
yep
Originally posted by: blackangst1
Originally posted by: Ryan
Screw this thread - I say you need to take a general ethics class and focus on Affirmative Action, and other injustices. You'll get a general understanding of the answers to all of those questions.
Affirmative action is one of the biggest pieces of crap legislation ever IMHO *shrug* It gives special rights not equal rights. There is too many examples to list
Originally posted by: cKGunslinger
Originally posted by: Agnostos Insania
Originally posted by: cKGunslinger
Aye, then throw in a nobody ATOT member with a potentially inflamatory username and an apparent superiority complex...
Oh the delicious ironing.
Agnostos Insania
Joined: 10/29/2005
cKGunslinger
Joined: 11/29/1999
I don't have a superiority complex because I'm not better than everyone, just better then you. :beer:
Originally posted by: BouZouki
You pass me on the street and sneer in my direction.
You call me "Cracker", "Honkey", "Whitey" and even "The Man" and you think it's OK.
But when I call you, "N - word", "beloved patriot", "beloved patriot", "Sand- N word", "comrade", "beloved patriot" or "beloved patriot" you call me a racist.
You say that whites commit a lot of violence against you, so why are the ghettos the most dangerous places to live
You have the United Negro College Fund.
You have Martin Luther King Day.
You have Black History Month.
You have Cesar Chavez Day.
You have Yom Hashoah
You have Ma'uled Al-Nabi
You have the NAACP.
You have BET.
If we had WET(white entertainment television) we'd be racists.
If we had a White Pride Day you would call us racists.
If we had white history month, we'd be racists.
If we had an organization for only whites to "advance" our lives, we'd be racists.
If we had a college fund that only gave white students scholarships, you know we'd be racists.
In the Million Man March, you believed that you were marching for your race and rights. If we marched for our race and rights, you would call us racists.
You are proud to be black, brown, yellow and orange, and you're
not afraid to announce it. But when we announce our white pride, you call us racists.
You rob us, carjack us, and shoot at us.
But, when a white police officer shoots a black gang member or beats up a black drug-dealer running from the law and posing a threat to society, you call him a racist.
I am white.
I am proud.
I didn't write this, just stumbled apon it.
Discuss.
Originally posted by: cKGunslinger
Originally posted by: shimsham
more likely a case of this.Originally posted by: blackangst1
wow so many responses and only one person has even attempted to discuss. I guess people are more shallow than I thought *shrug*
Aye, then throw in a nobody ATOT member with a potentially inflamatory username and an apparent superiority complex, a rehashed topic given in a less-than-inspirational or original format, and you have a nice recipe for yet another useless race-related ATOT thread.
Good job, OP! You've lowered the bar even further. :beer:
Originally posted by: sisq0kidd
Originally posted by: BouZouki
You pass me on the street and sneer in my direction.
You call me "Cracker", "Honkey", "Whitey" and even "The Man" and you think it's OK.
But when I call you, "N - word", "beloved patriot", "beloved patriot", "Sand- N word", "comrade", "beloved patriot" or "beloved patriot" you call me a racist.
You say that whites commit a lot of violence against you, so why are the ghettos the most dangerous places to live
You have the United Negro College Fund.
You have Martin Luther King Day.
You have Black History Month.
You have Cesar Chavez Day.
You have Yom Hashoah
You have Ma'uled Al-Nabi
You have the NAACP.
You have BET.
If we had WET(white entertainment television) we'd be racists.
If we had a White Pride Day you would call us racists.
If we had white history month, we'd be racists.
If we had an organization for only whites to "advance" our lives, we'd be racists.
If we had a college fund that only gave white students scholarships, you know we'd be racists.
In the Million Man March, you believed that you were marching for your race and rights. If we marched for our race and rights, you would call us racists.
You are proud to be black, brown, yellow and orange, and you're
not afraid to announce it. But when we announce our white pride, you call us racists.
You rob us, carjack us, and shoot at us.
But, when a white police officer shoots a black gang member or beats up a black drug-dealer running from the law and posing a threat to society, you call him a racist.
I am white.
I am proud.
I didn't write this, just stumbled apon it.
Discuss.
First of all. I don't call anyone cracker, honkey etc. But people sure as hell call me beloved patriot. I don't call you racist when you call me beloved patriot, I call you ignorant.
The ghettos are a dangerous place to live just because it's a dangerous place to live. I doubt people generally kill people because of their skin color there. That's the main difference between the ghettos and KKKville.
I don't have the UNCF.
Martin Luther King Day is for everyone. I said it in another thread and I'll say it again. If you can't understand why this day is for every single nationality, you've got major issues. Our world was very different back then and this day is to celebrate a man who fought injustice for everyone.
I don't have Black History Month.
I don't have Cesar Chavez Day.
I don't have Yom Hashoah.
I don't have Ma'uled Al-Nabi.
I don't have the NAACP.
I don't watch BET. CMT might as well be called WET. I like country music a lot, so yes I watch that channel.
I don't rob you, carjack you or shoot you, but using your logic, your people rob my people.
I can't believe this piece lumped every single non-White together and tells me what I have and don't have.
I have absolutely none of that.
Originally posted by: Pocatello
Originally posted by: sisq0kidd
Originally posted by: BouZouki
You pass me on the street and sneer in my direction.
You call me "Cracker", "Honkey", "Whitey" and even "The Man" and you think it's OK.
But when I call you, "N - word", "beloved patriot", "beloved patriot", "Sand- N word", "comrade", "beloved patriot" or "beloved patriot" you call me a racist.
You say that whites commit a lot of violence against you, so why are the ghettos the most dangerous places to live
You have the United Negro College Fund.
You have Martin Luther King Day.
You have Black History Month.
You have Cesar Chavez Day.
You have Yom Hashoah
You have Ma'uled Al-Nabi
You have the NAACP.
You have BET.
If we had WET(white entertainment television) we'd be racists.
If we had a White Pride Day you would call us racists.
If we had white history month, we'd be racists.
If we had an organization for only whites to "advance" our lives, we'd be racists.
If we had a college fund that only gave white students scholarships, you know we'd be racists.
In the Million Man March, you believed that you were marching for your race and rights. If we marched for our race and rights, you would call us racists.
You are proud to be black, brown, yellow and orange, and you're
not afraid to announce it. But when we announce our white pride, you call us racists.
You rob us, carjack us, and shoot at us.
But, when a white police officer shoots a black gang member or beats up a black drug-dealer running from the law and posing a threat to society, you call him a racist.
I am white.
I am proud.
I didn't write this, just stumbled apon it.
Discuss.
First of all. I don't call anyone cracker, honkey etc. But people sure as hell call me beloved patriot. I don't call you racist when you call me beloved patriot, I call you ignorant.
The ghettos are a dangerous place to live just because it's a dangerous place to live. I doubt people generally kill people because of their skin color there. That's the main difference between the ghettos and KKKville.
I don't have the UNCF.
Martin Luther King Day is for everyone. I said it in another thread and I'll say it again. If you can't understand why this day is for every single nationality, you've got major issues. Our world was very different back then and this day is to celebrate a man who fought injustice for everyone.
I don't have Black History Month.
I don't have Cesar Chavez Day.
I don't have Yom Hashoah.
I don't have Ma'uled Al-Nabi.
I don't have the NAACP.
I don't watch BET. CMT might as well be called WET. I like country music a lot, so yes I watch that channel.
I don't rob you, carjack you or shoot you, but using your logic, your people rob my people.
I can't believe this piece lumped every single non-White together and tells me what I have and don't have.
I have absolutely none of that.
The last time I got lost in the ghetto, driving through LA, the gas station manager told me to get out quick because "you're not black". How about after the Rodney King's verdict, a lot of Korean stores were sacked because they weren't owned by blacks.
Originally posted by: shimsham
Originally posted by: randumb
"Today's racist usually no longer says that Arabs, Turks or Indians are simply stupid or disusting. No, he says that they are quite normal, that he likes them, that they are his friends and so on, but that there is something about them which bothers him, some detail: their smell, their food, their music." - Slavoj Zizek
what does that have to do with race? youre racist because you think someone smells funny?
i dislike rap, so i am now a racist?
that quote sounds like someone desperately wanting to keep the victim mentality, imo.
edit: typos
Originally posted by: Agnostos Insania
Originally posted by: cKGunslinger
Originally posted by: Agnostos Insania
Originally posted by: cKGunslinger
Aye, then throw in a nobody ATOT member with a potentially inflamatory username and an apparent superiority complex...
Oh the delicious ironing.
Agnostos Insania
Joined: 10/29/2005
cKGunslinger
Joined: 11/29/1999
I don't have a superiority complex because I'm not better than everyone, just better then you. :beer:
You're the typical messageboard jerk that bases a person's worth (their words/posts) on their join date or post count. I'm not a 2005 join date person calling you a jerk, I'm a person calling you a jerk. It's funny that this was brought up in a thread about prejudice (racism).
Jerk.
Originally posted by: blackangst1
Which member has a potentially inflamatory username? Just curious