5. Give Trump voters an honourable path back to respectability. Okay, yeah, secretly you can despise them and be horrified that they'd cast a vote for a senile old racist. But a winning candidate must answer every request for comment about Trump or on the various racists, sex offenders, morons and traitors that work for him or in his party with a variation of this one response:
I acknowledge that Candidate Trump who saw in him a possible chance to break from having the same-old in the White House. And he had some genuinely alluring political positions: Bring back jobs and start making things in the USA again. 25 million new jobs. Bring back manufacturing. Run the government more like a business. Simplify everyone's taxes. Spend a trillion on fixing infrastructure. Ban politicians from becoming lobbyists. No more foreign wars. Fire the generals who seem to always tell us a win is one more surge away from happening. Sounds pretty good, actually, I think we can all admit.
But we all know that none of this ever happened; most of it was deliberately made worse. Past that, I don't care. It doesn't matter if a single man is good, evil, ridiculous or presidential. Every minute spent talking about a single man's behaviour is a minute that should have been spent on how we fix the many issues we have in front of us. I will not waste that time and neither should you. Let's talk about the issues and how we can start to fix them.
I like your first 4 but honestly still have a problem with #5. Some of it is bitter not because Trump won but how truth and reasoning was so easily obscured by utter bullshit.
We have to find a way back to truth and facts not alternate-facts. If his people want to continue in lies, rumors and conspiracy theories, fuck em'. If they want to have honest policy discussions, we can hold the door open.
Yeah but the point is to win, that's the most important thing. It's why in a battle you always want to leave a way for your opponent to surrender because if they feel there's no way out they fight to the death.
It would be one thing if that meant compromising a core principle but by giving a people an out where they are basically saying 'yeah I got duped' that could help.
I'm ok with that because its at least taking responsibility but no more made up facts bullshit.Yeah but the point is to win, that's the most important thing. It's why in a battle you always want to leave a way for your opponent to surrender because if they feel there's no way out they fight to the death.
It would be one thing if that meant compromising a core principle but by giving a people an out where they are basically saying 'yeah I got duped' that could help.
I'm ok with that because its at least taking responsibility but no more made up facts bullshit.
#6 Also we as Dems get a mulligan for having to cleanup the mess left by Trump. Ex, I don't want to hear "see all they do is raise taxes" when some of Trump's tax cuts for the rich have to be reversed.
More broadly, the next election should be more about class and less about race. Independents who may be swing voters, such as the working class whites who voted for Obama, then voted for Trump, are turned off by the left's identity politics.
The concept of leftist "identity politics" seems to have expanded considerably to include basic human decency, an aversion to intentional cruelty, and not openly praising nazis on national television. I think the moral ground for the Democrats is a lot wider now than people generally credit. Hence the GOP hemorrhaging college educated women voters in basically every poll taken now.
The concept of leftist "identity politics" seems to have expanded considerably to include basic human decency, an aversion to intentional cruelty, and not openly praising nazis on national television. I think the moral ground for the Democrats is a lot wider now than people generally credit. Hence the GOP hemorrhaging college educated women voters in basically every poll taken now.
Almost the exact opposite of everything this guy said.1. Quit insulting everyone, especially voters. As the son of a WWII vet I find you guys calling everyone nazis ignorant and it reflects badly on you.
2. Have an actual platform and talk about that instead of talking about others failings.
3. Unite as a party instead of fracturing more. My friends that attended the caucus stuff say the infighting was embarrassing.
4. Admit Trumps successes. It just makes you look like liars and bitter people if you complain about everything.
5. Get candidates that are moderate.
6. Push a moderate platform.
7. Drop gun control. It would be best if you just took over gun rights but since that isn't an option just drop it for like 15 years. Wait until you have half of the states Governors and at least the Senate and the Presidency.
Almost the exact opposite of everything this guy said.
Almost the exact opposite of everything this guy said.
I like your first 4 but honestly still have a problem with #5. Some of it is bitter not because Trump won but how truth and reasoning was so easily obscured by utter bullshit.
We have to find a way back to truth and facts not alternate-facts. If his people want to continue in lies, rumors and conspiracy theories, fuck em'. If they want to have honest policy discussions, we can hold the door open.
I wasn't talking about calling out the right and/or Trump for racist behavior in situations like Charlottesville. I'm talking about the constant focus on being black or Hispanic as being the factor which prevents people from being successful in this society. A typical working class white person listens to the totality of dem rhetoric and wonders why their life is shite with all the privilege they're supposed to have being white. They wonder if the dems are even trying to represent white people any more. And no, one need not be a racist to have such thoughts.
The dem party supports civil rights for minorities and women, and that should not change. However, in this upcoming cycle, it's better to emphasize class and economics. We're the party of ordinary working people who are getting the shaft from GOP policies. Since blacks and Hispanics are lower overall socioeconomically, they may disproportionally benefit from such a policy focus, but we need not alienate white swing voters by talking almost exclusively about minorities.
It's what Sanders did in 2016. He talked a lot about uneven wealth distribution but far less about race and gender. Clinton talked more about race and gender. Sander's approach was better for the general election. I could have backed him over Clinton if only he had realistic policy proposals.
4. Admit Trumps successes. It just makes you look like liars and bitter people if you complain about everything.
I dug around and found a fuck to give you:There is no fixing this.
Trump, Rubio, Ryan and others are scum, no doubt about it. But some of the people who voted for them aren't - though they have at least at one point been incredibly short-sighted, uninformed and/or selfish.Not in this case. You fight to the death. They're irredeemable. The Kasichs and Rubios are no different.
New blood correcting anything is a pipe dream. One bad apple spoiling the bunch is very much in play. And new ideas? There aren't any. The playbook has been utilized from cover to cover with every variation there is. That's why we swing from high times to recessions over and over and over and always will.
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The system is corrupt from top to bottom. We have received a savior in what is a once in a lifetime occurrence in most people's lives and a huge percentage of the nation is too fucking ignorant to comprehend it. What we get is threads posing the question of what the party last tossed out on their asses should do to cycle us back into the bad times we've left behind. The individual that could really make a huge difference and maybe in two terms put us on the path to resolution is the enemy of the political system and the media. He cannot and must not triumph!
#2 through #5 are great, but - and I think this is important - the electorate doesn't care about these things. They care about how much money they're bringing home. What kind of home they can live in. How long their commute is. If their neighbourhood is falling apart. If they feel safe. There are technocratic policies to be developed, but they are not useful talking material on the campaign trail.1. Healthcare as there have been multiple administrations of ineffective policy. Healthcare should be easily accessible for all. However, for the good of all, many jobs may be lost as the result of insurance companies dissolving. At least those people will have access to healthcare after they lose their jobs/careers.
2. Fix Congress
3. Immigration, make enforceable and reasonable laws. Increase capacity of court system, temporary housing, spread the love across all states. Transport immigrants to other states equally for housing, immigration ruling etc...
- Term limits
- They work as a social servant. Average American salary, housing, healthcare, vacations etc... It should not be a career where you are given the greatest luxuries available and live as royalty, it simply distorts decision making to be selfish and ineffective.
4. We need to address renewable energy and achieve major advancements in usage and investment.
5. I don't like the current way the Supreme Court operates. It is too powerful and partisan. It needs a redesign.
#2 is counterproductive. Term limits removes the only incentive to please the people. The term lame duck exists for a reason. Also it seems to me that removing compensation for the job will only increase the incentive to seek worse ways to capitalize on the power they've been given.#2 through #5 are great, but - and I think this is important - the electorate doesn't care about these things. They care about how much money they're bringing home. What kind of home they can live in. How long their commute is. If their neighbourhood is falling apart. If they feel safe. There are technocratic policies to be developed, but they are not useful talking material on the campaign trail.
That said, my personal suggestion to fix corruption in politics runs counter to almost everyone else's: I'd fix term limits for Congress at 4 terms and make lobbying afterwards illegal, but make each term for 6 or 8 years, and pay a ridiculous salary for the position. Maybe start at a cool million and index to inflation.
Reasoning: I want the people running a country to be well-fed, well-taken care of, experts at how to use their positions and feeling zero need to constantly fundraise to win the next election. I think they'd be far more effective in their roles and far less beholden to monied interests. Ideally people would be elected to Senate for a single 10-year or 15-year term but I know that'll never fly.
You must want Trump to be reelected.
Honestly Democrats should ignore gun issues for now. People who are pro-gun will use it as almost their only deciding factor. Ignore it and work to generate momentum on other issues instead.
A couple of you mentioned how you think point #3 on gun control is a bad idea - let me explain my reasoning. In my mind, to generalize, you have three big groups of voters out there:Any push, even against domestic abusers having guns, will alienate a lot of people. I like the idea of working to improve infrastructure, especially when you contrast what Trump has done (nothing) to what many other countries have done, like moving towards more solar power. I don't think the Democrats should be focusing on the dreamers so much as finding an ethical way to handle detainment and deportation. Like it or not, most people view illegal immigrants as underhanded cheaters who don't pay taxes. But that doesn't mean we can separate parents from their kids.