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[HendrixFan]

go bulls!

it would be hilarious if they play Miami first round and actually beat them. all while rose sits on the bench like a silent cheerleader

I wouldn't put any money behind that thought. One team shot well below their season average, the other shot well above it. Rim outs. Open looks. It wasn't just a matter of defensive pressure. Combine that with the fact that the Bulls won't get seven home games and, well, you get the point.

IAteYourMother was correct a few posts earlier. The Heat will probably start to shut it down the rest of the way, so any meaningful Eastern Conference games won't happen until playoffs start. I guess I won't be tuning in much until the late games the rest of the regular season.

 

[fustercluck]

Great game by the Bulls. Joakim Noah not even in the lineup. I predicted this a few pages back...sorta I said they'd lose to the Magic, Bulls, or Spurs. So I cast a pretty big net there prediction wise.

 

[dougp]

I wouldn't put any money behind that thought. One team shot well below their season average, the other shot well above it. Rim outs. Open looks. It wasn't just a matter of defensive pressure. Combine that with the fact that the Bulls won't get seven home games and, well, you get the point.

IAteYourMother was correct a few posts earlier. The Heat will probably start to shut it down the rest of the way, so any meaningful Eastern Conference games won't happen until playoffs start. I guess I won't be tuning in much until the late games the rest of the regular season.

Yeah, as scary as the Bulls are for most teams, they simply don't have a go-to guy right now that can takeover if need be in the playoffs. They have a bunch of great cogs, though, and will likely be a huge speed bump for the team that matches up with them.

I'm also a bit disappointed to see LBJ complain about calls after a loss (from the Daily Dime - http://espn.go.com/nba/dailydime/_/page/dime-130327/daily-dime):

First of all, Kirk Hinrich in the first quarter basically grabbed me with two hands and brought me to the ground. The last one, Taj Gibson was able to collar me around my shoulder and bring me to the ground. Those are not defensive ... those are not basketball plays.

 

[OILFIELDTRASH]

You should be pulling for the Mavs to miss the 8 seed, get in the lottery, and somehow land a top 3 pick. Watching them get hammered in the first round by the Spurs and getting a mid first rounder in a terrible draft is a depressing scenario.

Supposedly the 8th to 20th pick will get you the same level player. I'm also enjoying watching the home team again which trumps any potential pick IMO.

 

[dbk]

TY Miami Heat for the second longest streak in the history of the NBA! Bulls were so physical. They looked good!

 

[AMDZen]

I'm also a bit disappointed to see LBJ complain about calls after a lose

I know after a lose I feel pretty crap too.

But after a won I feel the awesome

 

[HendrixFan]

I'm also a bit disappointed to see LBJ complain about calls after a lose (from the Daily Dime - http://espn.go.com/nba/dailydime/_/page/dime-130327/daily-dime):

Since when is tackling part of the game? Don't give me any mess about "that is how the game used to be" either. You won't find any youtube clips of players in the 80s and 90s tackling each other without ejections (Rodman, Mourning, etc).

 

[dougp]

Since when is tackling part of the game? Don't give me any mess about "that is how the game used to be" either. You won't find any youtube clips of players in the 80s and 90s tackling each other without ejections (Rodman, Mourning, etc).

You don't see me arguing about whether they were legit fouls or not, right? I said I think LBJ complaining about a lack of calls is funny considering the amount of superstar treatment he gets.

 

[HendrixFan]

You don't see me arguing about whether they were legit fouls or not, right? I said I think LBJ complaining about a lack of calls is funny considering the amount of superstar treatment he gets.

I read a different article and the quotes seemed to say he felt the hard fouls should have been flagrant. He mentioned two fouls in particular and I think he is right. Tackling isn't a play on the ball.

 

[dougp]

I read a different article and the quotes seemed to say he felt the hard fouls should have been flagrant. He mentioned two fouls in particular and I think he is right. Tackling isn't a play on the ball.

Quit putting words in my mouth - no where did I say they weren't fouls. If you go to the DD and see where the quote is, you'll see the context and why I took it as him bitching. I'm sorry, but I see plays all the time that should be flagrant - and they're not called. I don't see those players bitching about it - a few stupid ones open their mouths and vow revenge, though.

 

[Red Storm]

Since when is tackling part of the game? Don't give me any mess about "that is how the game used to be" either. You won't find any youtube clips of players in the 80s and 90s tackling each other without ejections (Rodman, Mourning, etc).

Err...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7r6vXeOfyQ

He got called for a foul, in today's NBA he'd be ejected, suspended for a few games and fined a bunch of money.

 

[dougp]

I just saw the foul by Hinrich - http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Dc2wXZgeOb0

That's not flagrant, he wrapped him and momentum took them both down - and you can even see where James pushes on him closer to the ground. Hinrich probably felt he couldn't set his feet fast enough to get a charge called, but even then, it's MUCH harder to get a charge called on James given the treatment he gets.

 

[DesiPower]

What Kirk and Taj did was nothing compared to some of the plays we see in NBA. In both cases they tried to grab him and stop him, very common foul to give. Spurs did it a lot of times with Nuggets last night to stop them. One player grabs the opponent and stops him and in the process makes sure he does not fall too hard.
With LBJ the problem was his drama queen act, whenever anybody comes within 5 feet of him he pretends like he was stabbed and butchered. In case of Kirk he tried to gram him and stop as there was no one around but the momentum was so great that it took both of them down. Look at how hard Kirk fell, if it was deliberate he would be safe and LBJ would have fell hard.
In the case of Taj, he again tried to grab him but LBJ deliberately fell down to make sure he gets the foul.
What LBJ needs to do his stop whining and start playing like all other NBA players do, he is so used to special attention that he forgets what NBA is all about. Was the game more physical and rough than usual? sure it was. Was it physical enough for flagarant fouls to the point that Heats were at a disadvantage? certainly not. Bulls won fair and square.

Heats and LBJ in particular started to take the game too easy, they will relax for the 1st 3 quarts and come back in the 4th with 8 players and win. It did not happen last night, they had only 5 players and they lost fair and square, quit whining.

 

[Dr. Detroit]

I just saw the foul by Hinrich - http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Dc2wXZgeOb0

That's not flagrant, he wrapped him and momentum took them both down - and you can even see where James pushes on him closer to the ground. Hinrich probably felt he couldn't set his feet fast enough to get a charge called, but even then, it's MUCH harder to get a charge called on James given the treatment he gets.

Hinrich went for the ball - simple call - foul. Nothing more.

Nothing was flagrant. Did not sweep his legs or clothesline him in mid air.

 

[dougp]

Hinrich went for the ball - simple call - foul. Nothing more.

Nothing was flagrant. Did not sweep his legs or clothesline him in mid air.

I know, I do not disagree with you at all, and that was my point of posting the video. That was not a tackle - if HF thinks it was, then he's more on the Heat/LeBron bandwagon than I thought.

 

[HendrixFan]

Quit putting words in my mouth - no where did I say they weren't fouls.

Didn't say you said that. I just pointed out that the article I read used Lebron's quotes to make it appear he wasn't lobbying for fouls to be called, but to be called correctly (ie flagrant).

 

[HendrixFan]

Hinrich went for the ball - simple call - foul. Nothing more.

Nothing was flagrant. Did not sweep his legs or clothesline him in mid air.

The ball was behind Lebron's back? Use your head.

 

[dougp]

The ball was behind Lebron's back? Use your head.

What about Hinrich's foul was a flagrant? He made a play on LeBron to prevent an easy two points, or a potential and one. This occurs so frequently, why should LeBron be entitled to two free throws and possession of the ball?

Section IV--Flagrant Foul
a. If contact committed against a player, with or without the ball, is interpreted to be unnecessary, a flagrant foul--penalty (1) will be assessed. A personal foul is charged to the offender and a team foul is charged to the team.
PENALTY: (1) Two free throws shall be attempted and the ball awarded to the offended team on either side of the court at the free throw line extended. (2) If the offended player is injured and unable to attempt his free throws, the opposing coach will select any player from the bench to attempt the free throws. (3) This substitute may not be replaced until the ball is legally touched by a player on the court. (EXCEPTION: Rule 3--Section V--e.) (4) The injured player may not return to the game. (5) A player will be ejected if he commits two flagrant fouls in the same game.
b. If contact committed against a player, with or without the ball, is interpret-ed to be unnecessary and excessive, a flagrant foul--penalty (2) will be assessed. A personal foul is charged to the offender and a team foul is charged to the team.
PENALTY: (1) Two free throws shall be attempted and the ball awarded to the offended team on either side of the court at the free throw line extended. (2) If the offended player is injured and unable to attempt his free throws, his coach will select a substitute and any player from the team is eligible to attempt the free throws. (3) This substitute may not be replaced until the ball is legally touched by a player on the court. EXCEPTION: Rule 3--Section V--e. (4) The injured player may return to the game at any time after the free throws are attempted. (5) This is an unsports-manlike act and the offender is ejected.
c. A flagrant foul may be assessed whether the ball is dead or alive.

I don't see how Hinrich's foul was unnecessary or excessive, as he was attempting to prevent one of the leagues most prolific scorers from scoring.

 

[Atomic Playboy]

Err...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7r6vXeOfyQ

He got called for a foul, in today's NBA he'd be ejected, suspended for a few games and fined a bunch of money.

I was looking for this exact clip in response to that post. In the 1980s, a clothesline takedown is a normal shooting foul. Granted, a clothesline takedown SHOULD come with a suspension, because it isn't a basketball play, it's just dangerous. Hinrich wrapping James up and falling to the ground, on the other hand, is not even close to a flagrant, and it's absurd to suggest it should be. Talk about pussifying the game.

 

[OILFIELDTRASH]

What about Hinrich's foul was a flagrant? He made a play on LeBron to prevent an easy two points, or a potential and one. This occurs so frequently, why should LeBron be entitled to two free throws and possession of the ball?



I don't see how Hinrich's foul was unnecessary or excessive, as he was attempting to prevent one of the leagues most prolific scorers from scoring.

The flagrant part was when Lebron pushed Hinrich to the floor and caused his head to bounce off the court.

 

[HendrixFan]

I don't see how Hinrich's foul was unnecessary or excessive, as he was attempting to prevent one of the leagues most prolific scorers from scoring.

He wasn't making a play on the ball. A better crew than the one we saw last night would have called it a flagrant one. The league suffers when physically inferior players are allowed to act in such a manner. The game is best when it is free flowing and gifted players show their abilities. Those who wish to watch less straight forms of entertainment have MMA and the like.

 

[preslove]

Err...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7r6vXeOfyQ

He got called for a foul, in today's NBA he'd be ejected, suspended for a few games and fined a bunch of money.

If Rambis hadn't immediately jumped up and run after McHale probably might have gotten a T.

 

[Vdubchaos]

He wasn't making a play on the ball. A better crew than the one we saw last night would have called it a flagrant one. The league suffers when physically inferior players are allowed to act in such a manner. The game is best when it is free flowing and gifted players show their abilities. Those who wish to watch less straight forms of entertainment have MMA and the like.

Ohh stop being a pussy.

You obviously never watched NBA of the 80s/90s. These current day players have it good.

 

[Atomic Playboy]

He wasn't making a play on the ball. A better crew than the one we saw last night would have called it a flagrant one. The league suffers when physically inferior players are allowed to act in such a manner. The game is best when it is free flowing and gifted players show their abilities. Those who wish to watch less straight forms of entertainment have MMA and the like.

So intentional fouls at the end of the game should be flagrant fouls too then? They aren't plays for the ball, and they often involve completely wrapping the ball carrier up.

 

[HendrixFan]

Hinrich wrapping James up and falling to the ground, on the other hand, is not even close to a flagrant, and it's absurd to suggest it should be. Talk about pussifying the game.

You just described a form tackle. Are you aware of that, or are you being cognitively dissonant right now? You really support tackling players on a fast break? That is something you wish to see in basketball?