Lexus GS350 (470bhp) GT and LS500 (600bhp!!!)

bolido2000

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Mean, Green Lexus On Way


Things look set to get highly charged at Toyota. The company intends to enter the performance saloon market with a family of Lexus models that will all feature hybrid technology.

Engineers are currently working on two machines, one of which will be a new version of the flagship LS. However, first to hit the road will be the GS350 GT, which was unveiled at the Detroit Motor Show. Expected in August 2005 and aimed at the Mercedes E55 AMG, it will mark Lexus' first anniversary of sales in Japan, and sport a 300bhp 3.5-litre V6 mated to a 170bhp electric motor. Offering an astounding 470bhp, the car will feature all-wheel drive and be capable of around 60mpg.

But if you think that sounds impressive, then just wait another 12 months, when Lexus' ultimate hybrid - the LS500 GT - will appear. Combining a 400bhp 5.0-litre V8 with a 200bhp electric motor, the car will offer at least 600bhp and be targeted at the Mercedes S-Class flagship, the S600L.

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to predicted improvements in battery technology, economy of more than 50mpg is expected - double the standards set by traditional petrol engines of equivalent performance.

But the march to bring eco-friendly performance technology to Lexus models won't stop there. The firm's popular IS will inherit a new flagship when it is replaced in 2006. The IS350 GT will offer a tuned version of the 3.5-litre V6 that will be in the GS. However, it's not clear if it will sport a hybrid powerplant, although it may integrate some of the bigger system's fuel-saving technology, including engine stop and start systems which save fuel in stationary traffic.

For now, the cost of hybrid technology means it's likely to be reserved for Toyota and Lexus' most expensive models. However, at the Geneva Motor Show this month, one Toyota insider told us that the company was committed to hybrid cars, and that ultimately they will be available right across both ranges.
Peter Lyon


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Expected in August 2005 and aimed at the Mercedes E55 AMG, it will mark Lexus' first anniversary of sales in Japan, and sport a 300bhp 3.5-litre V6 mated to a 170bhp electric motor. Offering an astounding 470bhp, the car will feature all-wheel drive and be capable of around 60mpg.
That's a lie. I simply can't believe it. I stand corrected if I'm disproven, but the current prius gets in the ballpark of that mpg. How can a car with several times the power expect to do the same?
 

Aharami

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wow. 50mpg 600bhp car. if toyota can pull that off...kudos to them!!

but then again...this could be another april fools joke
 

Kenazo

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Things look set to get highly charged at Toyota. The company intends to enter the performance saloon market with a family of Lexus models that will all feature hybrid technology.


HUH?
 

Viper GTS

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Originally posted by: Kenazo
Things look set to get highly charged at Toyota. The company intends to enter the performance saloon market with a family of Lexus models that will all feature hybrid technology.


HUH?

Saloon = Sedan

Damn Brits.

Viper GTS
 

ElFenix

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Originally posted by: Kenazo
Things look set to get highly charged at Toyota. The company intends to enter the performance saloon market with a family of Lexus models that will all feature hybrid technology.


HUH?

sedan.


anyway, i don't think you can just add horsepower that way, considering how the torque curve of an electrice motor and gas engine work
 

maziwanka

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can you just add hp between electric motor and the regular motor like that? what kind of performance should we expect these cars to have?
 

ElFenix

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Originally posted by: maziwanka
can you just add hp between electric motor and the regular motor like that? what kind of performance should we expect these cars to have?

i'm pretty certain you can't. unless they both make their peaks at places that the drive wheels are spinning the same rpm it doesn't work that way. hp is overrated as a measuring tool anyway.
 

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Originally posted by: maziwanka
can you just add hp between electric motor and the regular motor like that? what kind of performance should we expect these cars to have?
You could if the torque for the gas engine was at very low RPM, since electrics are very torquey at low speeds themselves, but I'm sure that with gearing you could deliver their torque wherever you wanted.

I still call shens on a car making 60 mpg with that number of horses.
 

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Originally posted by: Skoorb
Expected in August 2005 and aimed at the Mercedes E55 AMG, it will mark Lexus' first anniversary of sales in Japan, and sport a 300bhp 3.5-litre V6 mated to a 170bhp electric motor. Offering an astounding 470bhp, the car will feature all-wheel drive and be capable of around 60mpg.
That's a lie. I simply can't believe it. I stand corrected if I'm disproven, but the current prius gets in the ballpark of that mpg. How can a car with several times the power expect to do the same?

I don't see it making 60mpg on average either, seems like just marketing to get the intial reaction and buzz.

But these hybrids have a more powerful electric motor than the Prius, so that make account for something.
 

ElFenix

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Originally posted by: mAdD INDIAN

I don't see it making 60mpg on average either, seems like just marketing to get the intial reaction and buzz.

But these hybrids have a more powerful electric motor than the Prius, so that make account for something.

you have to burn more fuel to make more power...
 

mAdD INDIAN

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Originally posted by: Skoorb
Originally posted by: PowerMac4Ever
Those are going to be some nice saloons when they are released
!!!

hey skoorb, I just saw your link in your sig. How come I'm not on there? I was one of hte pioneering Nissan fanboys on this board.

some not good pics can be found here: Link

I'll try to get better pics later on.

edit: you know where I can get ignitions coils for cheap in the US or Canada?
 

Eli

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Originally posted by: Skoorb
Originally posted by: maziwanka
can you just add hp between electric motor and the regular motor like that? what kind of performance should we expect these cars to have?
You could if the torque for the gas engine was at very low RPM, since electrics are very torquey at low speeds themselves, but I'm sure that with gearing you could deliver their torque wherever you wanted.

I still call shens on a car making 60 mpg with that number of horses.
eh.. I think you're all thinking about it too hard.

HP is torque.

They add the HP of the electric motor together with the HP of the engine together currently, so what's the difference? They're just going to be using higher performance versions of each.

I, too, question the 60mpg figures though... :Q We'll see.
 

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Originally posted by: Aharami
wow. 50mpg 600bhp car. if toyota can pull that off...kudos to them!!

but then again...this could be another april fools joke

People who can afford those things generally don't care about mileage, so it's rather futile.
 

bolido2000

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Originally posted by: NeoPTLD
Originally posted by: Aharami
wow. 50mpg 600bhp car. if toyota can pull that off...kudos to them!!

but then again...this could be another april fools joke

People who can afford those things generally don't care about mileage, so it's rather futile.

I think that attitude will change. Sure, people can afford the gas, but driving a luxury car that ALSO saves on gas will be the new "hip" thing. Just look at the celebrities driving Prius.
 

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Originally posted by: Skoorb
Expected in August 2005 and aimed at the Mercedes E55 AMG, it will mark Lexus' first anniversary of sales in Japan, and sport a 300bhp 3.5-litre V6 mated to a 170bhp electric motor. Offering an astounding 470bhp, the car will feature all-wheel drive and be capable of around 60mpg.
That's a lie. I simply can't believe it. I stand corrected if I'm disproven, but the current prius gets in the ballpark of that mpg. How can a car with several times the power expect to do the same?

agreed.
 
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