Lexus recalling 214k vehicles

[MikeMike]

http://www.thestreet.com/story...ll-214000-us-cars.html

 

[Kroze]

damn, now I got to take my GS350 & LS460 in for recall? I just bought them.

 

[sdifox]

at least they are recalling... isn't it usual tactic to not say anything and just fix cars as they come in?

 

[BassBomb]

Wonder why the ES350 was not affected....

 

[funboy6942]

Originally posted by: sdifox
at least they are recalling... isn't it usual tactic to not say anything and just fix cars as they come in?

No its when the death of people or property damage exceeds the amount that would be cheaper to just recall them, rather then to be sued over someones death, or property loss.

They usually wait it out and see how it its, pay off some people and lawyers and pray its just a fluke, then when too many people get hurt they decide to say fuck it, call them all back in before its too late. Which is a shame for some of them will let these cars or trucks go into production with know bad, or faulty parts because they have a deadline to make, thinking if one of us gets killed in the process its an acceptable loss they are willing to take, and wait till the absolute last minute when it will make a good dent in their bottom line before they will do anything about it, but mean while some people had to die first before most recalls were ever even put into place.

Its the way big business works, its a shame, but just as long as it not one of them having to die, its ok, and should of of them should die, then the recall will get pushed through supra fast, thats one above super, thats pretty damn fast

Its also pretty much the same thing with stop lights or speed signs as well. The city you live in generally will not put one in till there have been enough accidents, or deaths to warrant putting up a $200 stop sign, or $5K light system, for they dont want to pay till not only the last minute, but because they have to listen to all the people it may effect for it will take up 15 seconds to 2 minutes out of their lives and have nothing better to do then bitch about it, though it may save their life one day.

 

[BassBomb]

Originally posted by: funboy6942

Originally posted by: sdifox
at least they are recalling... isn't it usual tactic to not say anything and just fix cars as they come in?

No its when the death of people or property damage exceeds the amount that would be cheaper to just recall them, rather then to be sued over someones death, or property loss.

They usually wait it out and see how it its, pay off some people and lawyers and pray its just a fluke, then when too many people get hurt they decide to say fuck it, call them all back in before its too late. Which is a shame for some of them will let these cars or trucks go into production with know bad, or faulty parts because they have a deadline to make, thinking if one of us gets killed in the process its an acceptable loss they are willing to take, and wait till the absolute last minute when it will make a good dent in their bottom line before they will do anything about it, but mean while some people had to die first before most recalls were ever even put into place.

Its the way big business works, its a shame, but just as long as it not one of them having to die, its ok, and should of of them should die, then the recall will get pushed through supra fast, thats one above super, thats pretty damn fast

Its also pretty much the same thing with stop lights or speed signs as well. The city you live in generally will not put one in till there have been enough accidents, or deaths to warrant putting up a $200 stop sign, or $5K light system, for they dont want to pay till not only the last minute, but because they have to listen to all the people it may effect for it will take up 15 seconds to 2 minutes out of their lives and have nothing better to do then bitch about it, though it may save their life one day.

So who died from this fuel leak?

 

[funboy6942]

Originally posted by: BassBomb

Originally posted by: funboy6942

Originally posted by: sdifox
at least they are recalling... isn't it usual tactic to not say anything and just fix cars as they come in?

No its when the death of people or property damage exceeds the amount that would be cheaper to just recall them, rather then to be sued over someones death, or property loss.

They usually wait it out and see how it its, pay off some people and lawyers and pray its just a fluke, then when too many people get hurt they decide to say fuck it, call them all back in before its too late. Which is a shame for some of them will let these cars or trucks go into production with know bad, or faulty parts because they have a deadline to make, thinking if one of us gets killed in the process its an acceptable loss they are willing to take, and wait till the absolute last minute when it will make a good dent in their bottom line before they will do anything about it, but mean while some people had to die first before most recalls were ever even put into place.

Its the way big business works, its a shame, but just as long as it not one of them having to die, its ok, and should of of them should die, then the recall will get pushed through supra fast, thats one above super, thats pretty damn fast

Its also pretty much the same thing with stop lights or speed signs as well. The city you live in generally will not put one in till there have been enough accidents, or deaths to warrant putting up a $200 stop sign, or $5K light system, for they dont want to pay till not only the last minute, but because they have to listen to all the people it may effect for it will take up 15 seconds to 2 minutes out of their lives and have nothing better to do then bitch about it, though it may save their life one day.

So who died from this fuel leak?

No one yet, that you know of, for Im sure they paid off a few people from going to the press because they come home, parked their car in the garage only to have their home burn down. I cant tell you really who may have gotten hurt or died, but Im telling you, and you can believe me or not, the ONLY reason for a recall is to protect their asses because someone DID get hurt or die, or they never would issue a recall in the first place. And since this is Lexus who sells cars to the rich, with their rich bank accounts, rich homes, rich lawyers on call 24/7 Im sure they didnt drag their feet all too long to issue this and why so many cars are effected.

I know so hard to believe that these huge companies would rather wait and have people die and see how big a problem it may turn out to be before they will issue a recall, but, its how the world works, we are nothing more to them big high ups then crabs on their balls from when they had sex with the 13 year old Asian boy in Hong Kong.

OH and before I forget my point, when a part fails, and they know of the part being bad, and it doesnt result in any deaths or property loss they call it a "Service Bulletin", where if the car is still under any warranty and it comes into the shop they will quietly fix that, and say to you, good thing you come in we found a problem and was able to get it fixed before it did any damage Mr/Mrs Smith." And off you go on your merry little way. Your car is out of warranty they tell you your fucked, too bad cough up the cash and your pissed, because they knew there is a problem with the part, there is a "service Bulletin" out for the failed part, but its not a "recall" so your stuck yanking their pecker and taking it up their ass with no lube.

Now they got a part thats killing people, causing your car to catch on fire while driving down the road, loss of brakes plowing into old ladies feeding bids at the park bench. Oh they know there is a problem because once or twice a month they get a lawyer calling them saying you all killed Little Boy Joe, and they push them under the rug and hand them a few million to shut the fuck up, and say, its a par for the course, some bad parts make it past QC, its what happens, my kids didnt die who gives a fuck.

But a few more months pass and now they are getting 15-20 calls a week of people getting killed, cars out of control, homes burning down because a fuel line springs a leak from rusting from the inside out on their hot exhaust killing the whole family as they slept. Its now at a point, they are paying more out the ass to keep every one quiet, or a few have gone to the news and its getting out that there may be a problem, for its more then one little part here and there, its a whole production line for the entire month on the one part they stuck into 300,000 cars, all of which the signs say they are going to have a LOT of lawsuits if they dont act fast. Its at this point, AND THIS POINT ONLY, it becomes a "recall", and every car is included in it no matter the age or millage. Because it turns out to be more then a car here and there, and a family member once in a while, is now more and more people getting hurt, or dying because of the part they knew was bad they decided it was cheaper to go and put it in anyway and try luck of the draw, then to recall all the cars right away, run a whole new batch of parts, and fix them, it will cost the millions ontop of millions to do that. And in this case since this is Lexus you can bet they were not going to wait to be taken by just only a few high class lawyers, before they put this recall into work right away, for they know they are fucked, for these are high class people who can afford a lawyer, and afford to wait it out in courts and not be bought off cheap as if they were a person who bought a Kia or Dewoo.

Hell it can be 20+ years old, for if it has a open recall it can get fixed for free. Its one of the first things I do after I buy a car, I call the dealership or go online and check and see if the car I just got has a recall on it, and my last one, my 88 Lincoln Town Car I had last year, at 20 years old had a open recall on it for the TV cable for the trans, and yes, they fixed it for free.

So there you are my Children, how a recall, stop light, stop sign, and some laws, come into play. If it has a price tag attached to it, its more then likely one of death before the will do anything about it.

Class dismissed.

 

[BlackTigers]

Originally posted by: sdifox
at least they are recalling... isn't it usual tactic to not say anything and just fix cars as they come in?

Go watch fight club... =]

""A new car built by my company leaves somewhere traveling at 60 mph. The rear differential locks up. The car crashes and burns with everyone trapped inside. Now, should we initiate a recall? Take the number of vehicles in the field, A, multiply by the probable rate of failure, B, multiply by the average out-of-court settlement, C. A times B times C equals X. If X is less than the cost of a recall, we don't do one. ""

 

[JulesMaximus]

I own a 2006 IS250 with almost 40k miles on it now. Never had any trouble with it but I'll definitely mention this next time we bring it in for service.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: BlackTigers

Originally posted by: sdifox
at least they are recalling... isn't it usual tactic to not say anything and just fix cars as they come in?

Go watch fight club... =]

""A new car built by my company leaves somewhere traveling at 60 mph. The rear differential locks up. The car crashes and burns with everyone trapped inside. Now, should we initiate a recall? Take the number of vehicles in the field, A, multiply by the probable rate of failure, B, multiply by the average out-of-court settlement, C. A times B times C equals X. If X is less than the cost of a recall, we don't do one. ""

That's a fucking movie...

I'm sure Lexus isn't fucking around with issues that may potentially kill their customers...or burn their houses down.

 

[SoundTheSurrender]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: BlackTigers

Originally posted by: sdifox
at least they are recalling... isn't it usual tactic to not say anything and just fix cars as they come in?

Go watch fight club... =]

""A new car built by my company leaves somewhere traveling at 60 mph. The rear differential locks up. The car crashes and burns with everyone trapped inside. Now, should we initiate a recall? Take the number of vehicles in the field, A, multiply by the probable rate of failure, B, multiply by the average out-of-court settlement, C. A times B times C equals X. If X is less than the cost of a recall, we don't do one. ""

That's a fucking movie...

I'm sure Lexus isn't fucking around with issues that may potentially kill their customers...or burn their houses down.

Remember the Ford Pinto?

 

[ponyo]

My cousin's wife bought 2008 LS460 last month because she was tired of service work on her Mercedes. I'll have to tell her the good news her month old car needs some repair.

 

[BassBomb]

@ funboy, I was just kidding.. I understand how the industry works, every industry has its ass covering

 

[DVad3r]

That sucks. Toyota/Lexus is one of the most reputable cars on the road reliability wise, I guess they forgot about our crazy corrosive ethanol fuels Hopefully everyone get's the notice and takes their car in.

I drive a Lexus too but it's 2001 I think I'm safe

 

[KDKPSJ]

Originally posted by: BassBomb
Wonder why the ES350 was not affected....

I guess RWD drivetrain has something to do here, but that's my pure guess.

 

[BassBomb]

Originally posted by: everydae

Originally posted by: BassBomb
Wonder why the ES350 was not affected....

I guess RWD drivetrain has something to do here, but that's my pure guess.

:thumbsup: makes sense!

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: SoundTheSurrender

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: BlackTigers

Originally posted by: sdifox
at least they are recalling... isn't it usual tactic to not say anything and just fix cars as they come in?

Go watch fight club... =]

""A new car built by my company leaves somewhere traveling at 60 mph. The rear differential locks up. The car crashes and burns with everyone trapped inside. Now, should we initiate a recall? Take the number of vehicles in the field, A, multiply by the probable rate of failure, B, multiply by the average out-of-court settlement, C. A times B times C equals X. If X is less than the cost of a recall, we don't do one. ""

That's a fucking movie...

I'm sure Lexus isn't fucking around with issues that may potentially kill their customers...or burn their houses down.

Remember the Ford Pinto?

Lexus =! Ford

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: funboy6942

No one yet, that you know of, for Im sure they paid off a few people from going to the press because they come home, parked their car in the garage only to have their home burn down. I cant tell you really who may have gotten hurt or died, but Im telling you, and you can believe me or not, the ONLY reason for a recall is to protect their asses because someone DID get hurt or die, or they never would issue a recall in the first place. And since this is Lexus who sells cars to the rich, with their rich bank accounts, rich homes, rich lawyers on call 24/7 Im sure they didnt drag their feet all too long to issue this and why so many cars are effected.

I know so hard to believe that these huge companies would rather wait and have people die and see how big a problem it may turn out to be before they will issue a recall, but, its how the world works, we are nothing more to them big high ups then crabs on their balls from when they had sex with the 13 year old Asian boy in Hong Kong.

OH and before I forget my point, when a part fails, and they know of the part being bad, and it doesnt result in any deaths or property loss they call it a "Service Bulletin", where if the car is still under any warranty and it comes into the shop they will quietly fix that, and say to you, good thing you come in we found a problem and was able to get it fixed before it did any damage Mr/Mrs Smith." And off you go on your merry little way. Your car is out of warranty they tell you your fucked, too bad cough up the cash and your pissed, because they knew there is a problem with the part, there is a "service Bulletin" out for the failed part, but its not a "recall" so your stuck yanking their pecker and taking it up their ass with no lube.

Now they got a part thats killing people, causing your car to catch on fire while driving down the road, loss of brakes plowing into old ladies feeding bids at the park bench. Oh they know there is a problem because once or twice a month they get a lawyer calling them saying you all killed Little Boy Joe, and they push them under the rug and hand them a few million to shut the fuck up, and say, its a par for the course, some bad parts make it past QC, its what happens, my kids didnt die who gives a fuck.

But a few more months pass and now they are getting 15-20 calls a week of people getting killed, cars out of control, homes burning down because a fuel line springs a leak from rusting from the inside out on their hot exhaust killing the whole family as they slept. Its now at a point, they are paying more out the ass to keep every one quiet, or a few have gone to the news and its getting out that there may be a problem, for its more then one little part here and there, its a whole production line for the entire month on the one part they stuck into 300,000 cars, all of which the signs say they are going to have a LOT of lawsuits if they dont act fast. Its at this point, AND THIS POINT ONLY, it becomes a "recall", and every car is included in it no matter the age or millage. Because it turns out to be more then a car here and there, and a family member once in a while, is now more and more people getting hurt, or dying because of the part they knew was bad they decided it was cheaper to go and put it in anyway and try luck of the draw, then to recall all the cars right away, run a whole new batch of parts, and fix them, it will cost the millions ontop of millions to do that. And in this case since this is Lexus you can bet they were not going to wait to be taken by just only a few high class lawyers, before they put this recall into work right away, for they know they are fucked, for these are high class people who can afford a lawyer, and afford to wait it out in courts and not be bought off cheap as if they were a person who bought a Kia or Dewoo.

Hell it can be 20+ years old, for if it has a open recall it can get fixed for free. Its one of the first things I do after I buy a car, I call the dealership or go online and check and see if the car I just got has a recall on it, and my last one, my 88 Lincoln Town Car I had last year, at 20 years old had a open recall on it for the TV cable for the trans, and yes, they fixed it for free.

So there you are my Children, how a recall, stop light, stop sign, and some laws, come into play. If it has a price tag attached to it, its more then likely one of death before the will do anything about it.

Class dismissed.

So condescending...and so full of yourself. Yet you offer zero proof of your claims. I'm sure some of these things are true and do/have happened with some companies but I've heard of no fires or deaths from Lexus owners. You'd think this kind of thing would be readily available with a simple Google search too.

 

[sdifox]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: SoundTheSurrender

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: BlackTigers

Originally posted by: sdifox
at least they are recalling... isn't it usual tactic to not say anything and just fix cars as they come in?

Go watch fight club... =]

""A new car built by my company leaves somewhere traveling at 60 mph. The rear differential locks up. The car crashes and burns with everyone trapped inside. Now, should we initiate a recall? Take the number of vehicles in the field, A, multiply by the probable rate of failure, B, multiply by the average out-of-court settlement, C. A times B times C equals X. If X is less than the cost of a recall, we don't do one. ""

That's a fucking movie...

I'm sure Lexus isn't fucking around with issues that may potentially kill their customers...or burn their houses down.

Remember the Ford Pinto?

Lexus =! Ford

Historically American car companies have been more forthcoming with recalls than Japanese ones (still not sure about that Firestone /Ford incident). I am sure that has changed, but I don't know the extent.

 

[SoundTheSurrender]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: SoundTheSurrender

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: BlackTigers

Originally posted by: sdifox
at least they are recalling... isn't it usual tactic to not say anything and just fix cars as they come in?

Go watch fight club... =]

""A new car built by my company leaves somewhere traveling at 60 mph. The rear differential locks up. The car crashes and burns with everyone trapped inside. Now, should we initiate a recall? Take the number of vehicles in the field, A, multiply by the probable rate of failure, B, multiply by the average out-of-court settlement, C. A times B times C equals X. If X is less than the cost of a recall, we don't do one. ""

That's a fucking movie...

I'm sure Lexus isn't fucking around with issues that may potentially kill their customers...or burn their houses down.

Remember the Ford Pinto?

Lexus =! Ford

You don't know about the risk analysis issue that sprang up with the Ford Pinto?

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: SoundTheSurrender

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: SoundTheSurrender

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: BlackTigers

Originally posted by: sdifox
at least they are recalling... isn't it usual tactic to not say anything and just fix cars as they come in?

Go watch fight club... =]

""A new car built by my company leaves somewhere traveling at 60 mph. The rear differential locks up. The car crashes and burns with everyone trapped inside. Now, should we initiate a recall? Take the number of vehicles in the field, A, multiply by the probable rate of failure, B, multiply by the average out-of-court settlement, C. A times B times C equals X. If X is less than the cost of a recall, we don't do one. ""

That's a fucking movie...

I'm sure Lexus isn't fucking around with issues that may potentially kill their customers...or burn their houses down.

Remember the Ford Pinto?

Lexus =! Ford

You don't know about the risk analysis issue that sprang up with the Ford Pinto?

That was more than 30 years ago! I'm guessing that a company like Lexus isn't going to risk tarnishing their name like Ford did with the Pinto.

 

[funboy6942]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: funboy6942

No one yet, that you know of, for Im sure they paid off a few people from going to the press because they come home, parked their car in the garage only to have their home burn down. I cant tell you really who may have gotten hurt or died, but Im telling you, and you can believe me or not, the ONLY reason for a recall is to protect their asses because someone DID get hurt or die, or they never would issue a recall in the first place. And since this is Lexus who sells cars to the rich, with their rich bank accounts, rich homes, rich lawyers on call 24/7 Im sure they didnt drag their feet all too long to issue this and why so many cars are effected.

I know so hard to believe that these huge companies would rather wait and have people die and see how big a problem it may turn out to be before they will issue a recall, but, its how the world works, we are nothing more to them big high ups then crabs on their balls from when they had sex with the 13 year old Asian boy in Hong Kong.

OH and before I forget my point, when a part fails, and they know of the part being bad, and it doesnt result in any deaths or property loss they call it a "Service Bulletin", where if the car is still under any warranty and it comes into the shop they will quietly fix that, and say to you, good thing you come in we found a problem and was able to get it fixed before it did any damage Mr/Mrs Smith." And off you go on your merry little way. Your car is out of warranty they tell you your fucked, too bad cough up the cash and your pissed, because they knew there is a problem with the part, there is a "service Bulletin" out for the failed part, but its not a "recall" so your stuck yanking their pecker and taking it up their ass with no lube.

Now they got a part thats killing people, causing your car to catch on fire while driving down the road, loss of brakes plowing into old ladies feeding bids at the park bench. Oh they know there is a problem because once or twice a month they get a lawyer calling them saying you all killed Little Boy Joe, and they push them under the rug and hand them a few million to shut the fuck up, and say, its a par for the course, some bad parts make it past QC, its what happens, my kids didnt die who gives a fuck.

But a few more months pass and now they are getting 15-20 calls a week of people getting killed, cars out of control, homes burning down because a fuel line springs a leak from rusting from the inside out on their hot exhaust killing the whole family as they slept. Its now at a point, they are paying more out the ass to keep every one quiet, or a few have gone to the news and its getting out that there may be a problem, for its more then one little part here and there, its a whole production line for the entire month on the one part they stuck into 300,000 cars, all of which the signs say they are going to have a LOT of lawsuits if they dont act fast. Its at this point, AND THIS POINT ONLY, it becomes a "recall", and every car is included in it no matter the age or millage. Because it turns out to be more then a car here and there, and a family member once in a while, is now more and more people getting hurt, or dying because of the part they knew was bad they decided it was cheaper to go and put it in anyway and try luck of the draw, then to recall all the cars right away, run a whole new batch of parts, and fix them, it will cost the millions ontop of millions to do that. And in this case since this is Lexus you can bet they were not going to wait to be taken by just only a few high class lawyers, before they put this recall into work right away, for they know they are fucked, for these are high class people who can afford a lawyer, and afford to wait it out in courts and not be bought off cheap as if they were a person who bought a Kia or Dewoo.

Hell it can be 20+ years old, for if it has a open recall it can get fixed for free. Its one of the first things I do after I buy a car, I call the dealership or go online and check and see if the car I just got has a recall on it, and my last one, my 88 Lincoln Town Car I had last year, at 20 years old had a open recall on it for the TV cable for the trans, and yes, they fixed it for free.

So there you are my Children, how a recall, stop light, stop sign, and some laws, come into play. If it has a price tag attached to it, its more then likely one of death before the will do anything about it.

Class dismissed.

So condescending...and so full of yourself. Yet you offer zero proof of your claims. I'm sure some of these things are true and do/have happened with some companies but I've heard of no fires or deaths from Lexus owners. You'd think this kind of thing would be readily available with a simple Google search too.

Actually I was trying to be goofy with it, and lay it out in terms I was hoping I could get my point to, for I suck at typing and trying to get out what I need to say without writing a book on it all.

But since you asked for some kinda proof to back up some of what I said, here you go.

Most recall deths you dont hear about because they settle out of court and Im sure that they put a gag order in fine print so that you dont go blabbing to the press. When the NHTSA get enough calls about a problem ina car, or few cars with the same exact part causing death or injuries, then they start to go after the manufacturer to shake them up in hopes they will issue a recall sooner then waiting for the bottom line to start seeing red. They do a lot of influence in getting recalls made, but all in all about 90% of any recall done, no matter what it is for, food, drugs, cars, toys, restraints, the companies do not want to issue a recall for their products, not till the very last minute because its not about the death tool that may be going on because of their faulty parts, but its all about the bottom line and their share holders. Heck, isnt there just out now a recall on peanut butter and crackers made with it? It took over 500 people to get sick, and 5 people so far to die, before word even got out. One or two deaths here or there isnt going to matter, but when it starts to toll up, and word hits news, then all of a sudden, there is a recall, and again with Lexus, their buyers are rich, with very good lawyers most of them, so they cant wait that long to issue out a recall, for their buyers can afford to wait it out, and most will not be bought off cheap or not at all, as some one with a old Ford or Chevy living paycheck to paycheck will not do or wait upto 10 years to get paid.

 

[JeffreyLebowski]

Where are the Toyota fan boys? I was expecting more to chime in and claim it wasn't a real problem.
I guess Toyota will be loosing some more money again this quarter.

 

[Eli]

Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski
Where are the Toyota fan boys? I was expecting more to chime in and claim it wasn't a real problem.
I guess Toyota will be loosing some more money again this quarter.

It isn't a real problem..

They're being pretty nice by fixing this, IMO.

 

[zoiks]

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski
Where are the Toyota fan boys? I was expecting more to chime in and claim it wasn't a real problem.
I guess Toyota will be loosing some more money again this quarter.

It isn't a real problem..

They're being pretty nice by fixing this, IMO.

If they didn't do it then it'd be their ass. Being nice is not part of the equation.