LG Nexus 4

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

all the crying about LTE.

Remember that right now LTE only really is a factor on AT&T and Verizon. Why would they make it VZW compatible meaning it has to work with CDMA when 97% of the world won't benefit from that? Added cost.

So the question boils down to AT&T, but we know that no LTE chip works for both global and AT&T at the moment.

Furthermore LTE isn't really widely deployed worldwide yet.

So tough for you guys on Verizon. You picked a network that had no choice but to go LTE. Early adoption doesn't help unless you stick to VZW phones. SO unless Verizon is going to be a launch partner... forget about it

the prototypes seen so far have been tri-band hspa with support for AWS, so yes, they would work on tmobile.

why woudl they make it tri band HSPA with AWS support?

what 2 other frequencies would they add? 2100? Then what? Something tells me they would put in 850/1900 before 1700.

 

[badb0y]

This isn't the flagship Nexus device of 2012 so calm down LOL.

 

[Headcase_Fargone]

This isn't the flagship Nexus device of 2012 so calm down LOL.

What are you basing this comment on?

 

[Eug]

all the crying about LTE.

Remember that right now LTE only really is a factor on AT&T and Verizon. Why would they make it VZW compatible meaning it has to work with CDMA when 97% of the world won't benefit from that? Added cost.

So the question boils down to AT&T, but we know that no LTE chip works for both global and AT&T at the moment.

Furthermore LTE isn't really widely deployed worldwide yet.

So tough for you guys on Verizon. You picked a network that had no choice but to go LTE. Early adoption doesn't help unless you stick to VZW phones. SO unless Verizon is going to be a launch partner... forget about it

Not everyone lives in the US.

 

[ponyo]

Not everyone lives in the US.

Which is precisely why LTE is not needed. Google can make separate LTE version for the US carriers down the line like they did for Verizon and Sprint.

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

Not everyone lives in the US.

That was my point. People act like LTE is a must or else they die. That's certainly the case on Verizon, and you could make a case for AT&T, though HSPA is plenty fast for me most times.

For the rest of the world I've already said HSPA can be upgraded to like 84mbps if they wanted. I'd hope one day they do step into LTE, but I remember saying that LTE won't even really become mainstream until end of 2012 at least. Samsung and HTC showed us with their flagship phones LTE isn't necessary.

 

[Eug]

That was my point. People act like LTE is a must or else they die. That's certainly the case on Verizon, and you could make a case for AT&T, though HSPA is plenty fast for me most times.

For the rest of the world I've already said HSPA can be upgraded to like 84mbps if they wanted. I'd hope one day they do step into LTE, but I remember saying that LTE won't even really become mainstream until end of 2012 at least. Samsung and HTC showed us with their flagship phones LTE isn't necessary.

My point is that LTE in Canada is an absolute must for a new high end smart phone. Buying one without LTE would be foolish. LTE is mainstream now in Canada.

 

[badb0y]

What are you basing this comment on?

Well cause it sucks and doesn't seem to be a big improvement over the previous Nexus. If this is the flagship Nexus of 2012, this is trash.

 

[s44]

Who's going to buy this? If you're not using LTE, you're getting perfectly fine battery life from the last Nexus... which has non-crazysmall storage.

 

[Skurge]

Who's going to buy this? If you're not using LTE, you're getting perfectly fine battery life from the last Nexus... which has non-crazysmall storage.

Battery life on the current nexus isn't too great.

 

[gevorg]

This is an engineering model, too silly to make any conclusions now. More details are out today, claims to be buggy and unoptimized. This can be an early prototype for all we know. No way final model would have just 8GB of internal storage, especially paired with a highend APQ8064 chip.

 

[ITHURTSWHENIP]

Well cause it sucks and doesn't seem to be a big improvement over the previous Nexus. If this is the flagship Nexus of 2012, this is trash.

Is this a joke? 8 MP camera is not an improvement? IPS display with in-cell touch and Gorilla Glass 2 is not an improvement over a first gen SAMOLED HD with pentile? 28nm dieshrink for better power efficiency is not an improvement? Halti class GPU that is neck to neck with iPad 3 and iPhone 5 is not an improvement?

What exactly were you hoping for? a magical unicorn to come with the box?

 

[s44]

Battery life on the current nexus isn't too great.

Sure, for Verizon. HSPA is another story. And... the current one has a removable battery. This one has a fixed 1500mah -- wtf!?

 

[Gooberlx2]

This one has a fixed 1500mah -- wtf!?

I've seen 2100 mah rumored most places.

For example

ost likely the Google Nexus 4 will feature a 1.5Ghz quad-core Snapdragon processor, 2GB of RAM, a 4.7-inch 1280×768 pixels resolution display and a 2,100 mAh non-removable battery.

 

[ITHURTSWHENIP]

Sure, for Verizon. HSPA is another story. And... the current one has a removable battery. This one has a fixed 1500mah -- wtf!?

Its a rev 1 prototype. Its cheaper to use a smaller battery and 8GB storage for a prototype. Lets wait until the official announcement before we blast Google

Logically it doesnt make sense to give Galaxy Nexus a 1750 mah battery and then give the new one an iPhone sized battery

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

Its a rev 1 prototype. Its cheaper to use a smaller battery and 8GB storage for a prototype. Lets wait until the official announcement before we blast Google

Logically it doesnt make sense to give Galaxy Nexus a 1750 mah battery and then give the new one an iPhone sized battery

Improvements in battery life can be made via software. The iPhone has shown from day 1 it's very doable.

 

[Sid59]

I cannot wait for the official specs release. Currently on an Atrix 2 with ICS and Nexus 7. I'd love to have a phone that was stock android.

If rumors are true and there's no Nexus LTe that receives updates directly from Google, what's the best LTE ATT phone that's CM friendly?

SGS3?

 

[ITHURTSWHENIP]

Improvements in battery life can be made via software. The iPhone has shown from day 1 it's very doable.

Really? When did the iPhone get a smaller battery while getting a larger screen?

 

[vshah]

Improvements in battery life can be made via software. The iPhone has shown from day 1 it's very doable.

its doable, but iOS is a different beast than android. While i'm sure there are some efficiency improvements that could be made to android, iOS is designed from the ground up for efficiency, while android was designed from the ground up for flexibility.

 

[Fire&Blood]

LTE is nice but the choices and battery usage of HSPA outweigh the speed advantage, even more so because in many scenarios storage and SoC bottleneck LTE performance. Once S4 pros and Exynos 5's are widespread things may look different. I would rather have a SSD type of breakthrough for phones than more of the same SoC/storage performance on LTE. Looking at residential connection speeds and performance, it seems it will be a while before HSPA becomes an issue.

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

Here's the thing. I would love for LTE too but I guess given AT&T has decent HSPA speeds I'll be ok. I do want LTE though, but at the same time people need to recognize that globally LTE isn't a must *yet*. It's a must for Verizon users particularly because their 3G is slow as crap. But given that global LTE isn't really widespread enough and that Samsung and HTC are releasing non LTE flagship phones (ok the One X+ is new though), I am not TOO worried.

However the fact that the iPhone 5 does offer LTE is particularly concerning. It means that unless the carriers in the US step up to offer this Nexus phone, then I can see this phone being even less popular than previous Nexus phones. Why would someone forego a 4G SGS3 to buy a Nexus phone? You have to be an Android geek or some enthusiast to jump on.

This is a state where execution is critical. They had 1.5 months on the iPhone 5, and if a lot of specs are subpar, then Google's going to make a big mistake here.

 

[VashHT]

I don't think Google means for the Nexus line to challenge Apple's line-up, it's always been a developer focused line and not meant to be some massive selling consumer line-up. That's meant more for the consumer focused devices like the gs3 or other carrier based phones.

Don't get me wrong I'd love to see a nexus phone with top of the line hardware all around that could challenge the iphone 5 on every level but I don't think Google is really trying for that.

 

[Fire&Blood]

I don't think Google means for the Nexus line to challenge Apple's line-up, it's always been a developer focused line and not meant to be some massive selling consumer line-up. That's meant more for the consumer focused devices like the gs3 or other carrier based phones.

Don't get me wrong I'd love to see a nexus phone with top of the line hardware all around that could challenge the iphone 5 on every level but I don't think Google is really trying for that.

That's how it's been in the past but this time around, there isn't much middle ground for Google to step on in terms of hardware. I think they saw that S4/S4 Pro is going to be the most common platform for 2013 devices and went with it.

I'm positive that retail versions will feature 16GB at expected prices and I don't have a problem with them releasing a (cheaper) 8GB version, should the prototype storage capacity make it into retail to begin with. As for lack of LTE, I wouldn't blame Google/LG just yet, it's very much possible Verizon wants to keep their spam/propaganda department busy by opting for a "slightly different" LTE model where they dictate the terms like with their regular subsidized phones, business as usual for them.

As for the design, it looks very much like my Gnex so not much to complain about, though I would prefer less X axis bezel if I were to nitpick.

Though I don't see much incentive to get this right away. I emphasize performance as a major purchasing factor, this SoC owns my GNex, arguably a better screen and a bigger battery are there too. I'll wait for MWC to see if the Exynos 5 makes it debut and if some else makes a better Nexus by then, if the multiple devices rumor is true.

 

[cbrunny]

I had been thinking about upgrading to this from my Galaxy S2, but I don't think I can go from 16GB expandable to 8GB non-expandable memory.

Why does google hate sd cards so much?

Google has been pushing cloud and cloud-like systems for a while now. Hence the Chromebook experiment. If you havent heard of that, its worth looking at purely for a sense of the direction Google is heading. Or wants to head. Or wanted to head.

You should be able to stream most stuff these days anyway. Check out Subsonic - I'm using it to stream my music from my home pc to my nexus flawlessly. It doesn't stream video, but chances are good that you're watching video on a tablet rather than a smartphone. I'm sure there are streaming options for video as well, especially under wifi. I suppose that would chew a data plan up nicely.

 

[dagamer34]

I don't think Google means for the Nexus line to challenge Apple's line-up, it's always been a developer focused line and not meant to be some massive selling consumer line-up. That's meant more for the consumer focused devices like the gs3 or other carrier based phones.

Don't get me wrong I'd love to see a nexus phone with top of the line hardware all around that could challenge the iphone 5 on every level but I don't think Google is really trying for that.

The only phones I'd say that ever had a true developer focus is the ADP1 and ADP2 and maybe the Nexus One. Once you are selling phones in Best Buy and subsidizing them like the Nexus S and Galaxy Nexus, you are clearly intending for consumers to buy them.

No one would call the Nexus 7 a developer tablet. I don't see why anyone would apply that label to the phone. The leaked specs clearly intend for this new Nexus to go up against the iPhone 5. If Google is only half-assing it's approach towards making the next Nexus the best product they have to offer, they are really shooting themselves in the foot because Apple and Nokia certainly are puting their best foot forward in the phones they sell. No one ever aspires to sell a mediocre product!