LGA 2011 Owners.. The Xeon 8 Core 16 HT E5-2687W is finally here

[Ferzerp]

The topic of this thread is a member of the Xeon product line. I don't find it out of line to expect some level of familiarity with the product line instead of making blanket, incorrect, statements. Do you?

NewEgg is not really what I would consider an authority on Xeon processors, as it is primarily a consumer oriented site. There is not much of a market for buying these processors not already integrated in to a system, but if you want a larger organization with a wider breadth of products, try cdw (e.g. http://www.cdw.com/shop/products/Intel-Xeon-E7-8870-2.4-GHz-processor/2507260.aspx ), but Intel itself is a better source for information of their product line. Or even wikipedia.

 

[Markfw]

The topic of this thread is a member of the Xeon product line. I don't find it out of line to expect some level of familiarity with the product line instead of making blanket, incorrect, statements. Do you?

NewEgg is not really what I would consider an authority on Xeon processors, as it is primarily a consumer oriented site. There is not much of a market for buying these processors not already integrated in to a system, but if you want a larger organization with a wider breadth of products, try cdw (e.g. http://www.cdw.com/shop/products/Intel-Xeon-E7-8870-2.4-GHz-processor/2507260.aspx ), but Intel itself is a better source for information of their product line. Or even wikipedia.

Well, I have bought 4 different Xeon CPU's from newegg, and waiting for number 5 if they ever get it in stock (the 3930) So I would think I have some familiarity, but again I did not know about these either. You may have somewhat of a valid point, but I think I have made mine. Please be nice to idiots like me.

 

[Ferzerp]

I think we have a disagreement on what the particular word I used means. It doesn't mean that an individual is an idiot. It means that the individual does not possess a specific knowledge.

 

[Markfw]

OK, I guess I could buy that, but do you see my point ? I buy Xeons, and still don't have this knowledge.

 

[CPUarchitect]

The truth is games will play the same on an i5 2500k. :biggrin:

Yes, but that's only true for today's games.

A few years ago people were asking whether it's better to get a high clocked Core 2 Duo or a Core i7-920. At that time the Core 2 Duo ran every contemporary game just as smoothly as the Nehalem i7. But nowadays there's an advantage to having a quad-core, and it will last quite a bit longer than the dual-core.

That said, I think a 600$ i7-3930K can perhaps be justified if you need a future-proof system, but 2100$ for marginally higher peak performance is silly unless you absolutely need the added reliability of a Xeon.

Note that as the number of cores increases, the efficiency goes down because the cores have more siblings to divide their tasks between. You'll have to wait for the Haswell processors before they'll combat this with hardware transactional memory. Haswell's AVX2 support will also be quite revolutionary for PC gaming...

 

[Puppies04]

OK, I guess I could buy that, but do you see my point ? I buy Xeons, and still don't have this knowledge.

I see your point mark, although I think your point was somebody could have taken what he said the wrong way and been upset by it. While that is a valid point I think a lot of what we see on these boards could (and often does) get taken the wrong way by people, it is an inherent problem with the writen word as opposed to spoken and is only exacerbated by differing levels of fluency with the english language we see on these boards.

He used the word ignorant in the correct way and if somebody misunderstood that because their definition of the word is wrong I think that is kind of their problem.

On a side note, this is the CPU and overclocking forum of one of the best enthusiast forums on the net and I don't think assuming people should know that intel released 8 core cpus 2 years ago is too extreme a standpoint especially if they are posting in this particular thread. keeping in mind the size of that particular companies market share and the fact I am sure there are 10's if not dozens of threads/posts relating to that exact fact on this very forum.

Taking all that into consideration and also bearing in mind chiropteran has nearly 5000 posts and from what I have seen a very good understanding of the different peices of hardware avaliable (especially amds..... see this forum) I don't think ferzerp was too far out of line.

 

[Chiropteran]

It was a joke, that is what I meant when I said "just kidding". I was making fun of AMD more than anything, it was AMD who advertised the bulldozer as the "first" 8 core CPU.

He used the word ignorant in the correct way and if somebody misunderstood that because their definition of the word is wrong I think that is kind of their problem.

Regarding "ignorant"- The moment you accuse someone of being ignorant, you lose

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?p=33071185#post33071185

I'm not in favor of Ferzerp or anyone else getting an infraction, but past experience have taught me that usage of a word is enough to get in trouble, regardless of how correct the word is or isn't.

 

[AdamK47]

How far off are we from Ivy Bridge E?

 

[Puppies04]

How far off are we from Ivy Bridge E?

Last I heard Q4 12

 

[Arachnotronic]

How far off are we from Ivy Bridge E?

Q1 2013 from a guy in the know.

 

[Arachnotronic]

Haswell's AVX2 support will also be quite revolutionary for PC gaming...

Why? What's the big deal with AVX2? (This is genuine curiosity -- I heard that AVX would be huge, but it's done nothing so far)

 

[Don Karnage]

It looks like i'll be the guinea pig for this processor. I placed my order with servers direct and will give them a call for availability tomorrow morning.

 

[gmaster456]

It looks like i'll be the guinea pig for this processor. I placed my order with servers direct and will give them a call for availability tomorrow morning.

Just out of curiosity, what are you doing that the 3960x is not enough?

 

[Arachnotronic]

It looks like i'll be the guinea pig for this processor. I placed my order with servers direct and will give them a call for availability tomorrow morning.

Awesome!

 

[Don Karnage]

Just out of curiosity, what are you doing that the 3960x is not enough?

Have the 3930K and absolutely nothing. Just an excuse to waste money

 

[Arachnotronic]

Have the 3930K and absolutely nothing. Just an excuse to waste money

Hey, when you get the chip, could you start a thread and give us some benchies? In specific, I'd love to see some cache and memory bandwidth benchies...

 

[Idontcare]

It was a joke, that is what I meant when I said "just kidding". I was making fun of AMD more than anything, it was AMD who advertised the bulldozer as the "first" 8 core CPU.




Regarding "ignorant"- The moment you accuse someone of being ignorant, you lose

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?p=33071185#post33071185

I'm not in favor of Ferzerp or anyone else getting an infraction, but past experience have taught me that usage of a word is enough to get in trouble, regardless of how correct the word is or isn't.

The word "ignorant" is fine provided it is not being bandied about with the intent of insulting, flaming, or baiting someone into an escalating inflammatory situation.

There is a difference, the word itself is not the issue, the context with which the word is being invoked is what gets people into trouble with the mods.

Anytime you are curious about mod actions the appropriate course of action is to seek clarification in the Moderator Discussions subforum, that is what it is there for.

Doing what you did here is the equivalent to a mod-challenge and mod-baiting. That is actionable per rule #13 of the AnandTech Guidelines.

13) Baiting moderators will not be tolerated nor will Mod Call Outs. Any action that reasonably can be considered baiting a moderator, or multiple consecutive actions that heavily push the boundaries of any of these guidelines will result in an instant short term vacation. Repeated violation of this rule may result in a permaban.

No worries for you though, this is purely an education public service announcement for yourself and the community at large. Please be respectful of your moderators, understand they are purely volunteers, zero compensation for their time and efforts. And they are only doing it because they want what is best for the community.

Mocking them is not nice, and it is unflattering of those who stoop to it, so don't do yourself such a disservice. You are better than that, your mods deserve better than that, and there are ways to talk about these things so that overall we do right by you even if we get it wrong on occasion.

Administrator Idontcare

 

[Grooveriding]

It looks like i'll be the guinea pig for this processor. I placed my order with servers direct and will give them a call for availability tomorrow morning.

Bold move :thumbsup:

Please advise on oc experience, headroom and temps! Is this going to work out of the box with the current R4E BIOS do you think ?

 

[Markfw]

First, let me say, I am not on top of my game, just 6 days out of open heart surgery.

Second, ferzerp is NOT under consideration for an infraction, nor is anybody else here.

I just saw a statement that looked a little condescending, and it could have even been applied to me, so I was just trying to tone things down a little.

And last, please read Idontcare's post, purely for an "education public service announcement " as he is totally correct.

 

[Ajay]

Note that as the number of cores increases, the efficiency goes down because the cores have more siblings to divide their tasks between. You'll have to wait for the Haswell processors before they'll combat this with hardware transactional memory. Haswell's AVX2 support will also be quite revolutionary for PC gaming...

OT, but AVX2 has the potential to have a significant impact on PC gaming, especially if Mickey$soft releases a DX versions which implement/require AVX2 support. TY, on the RealWorld link - more ammo to fight against Dr. Amdhal's law {1} :sneaky:

 

[gmaster456]

Have the 3930K and absolutely nothing. Just an excuse to waste money

I'd be glad to take the 3930 off your hands for you as a donation. I'll even pay the shipping.

 

[DominionSeraph]

A few years ago people were asking whether it's better to get a high clocked Core 2 Duo or a Core i7-920. At that time the Core 2 Duo ran every contemporary game just as smoothly as the Nehalem i7. But nowadays there's an advantage to having a quad-core, and it will last quite a bit longer than the dual-core.

The proper comparison would be between a C2D and a C2Q (there are no IPC gains). And the fact is, if you need an upgrade over a C2D in gaming, 95% of the time you need an upgrade over a C2Q. A C2Q will not have "future proofed" you.

 

[Edrick]

Q1 2013 from a guy in the know.

I am hearing a lot sooner than that.

 

[Arachnotronic]

I am hearing a lot sooner than that.

Really? That'd be freakin' awesome...

 

[polyzp]

Id rather have a 64 thread AMD 6262 , or a 32 thread AMD 6282 SE rig for the same price ^^