LGA 775, 3.6 P4E, and PCI-E review up on Anandtech.com and Tomshardware

[Markfw]

Anandtech link.

Tomshardware link

I think all they got was a small speed bump to 3.6, other than that, ehhhhh... Really boring, or did I miss something ? They are how, they use a lot of power, and they still get killed by the Athlon64 except encoding, and thats only video encoding now that they win !

 

[DotheDamnTHing]

i think this technology needs to mature before any harsh judgment can be passed

 

[imported_NoGodForMe]

I don't know what Intel is thinking lately.
I realize the hardware must come first before game devs can take advantage of it. But gosh, you'd think they'd address the heat issues. And this new pin design scares me. I'm not going to take the chance of screwing up my MB just because they want to make it backwards.
I've been an Intel fan boy all this time, just built a P4 3.4c, but I'm done with them. Next build is an AMD FX53 on a 939 MB. And besides, if you look at benchmarks, the AMD blows away the Intel. Why gamers would choose the Intel platform for top performance is beyond me. Multitaskers who do content creation, maybe. Intel will survive because they'll still end up in OEM machines like Dell, but hard core gamers will be switching to AMD.

 

[DotheDamnTHing]

the thing is the hardcore gamers market is small (relative to business and home users) and those two are where intel makes it money...as for the pin design, as with anyother processor installation you have to be careful...its not a five minute job and once you got in there, i dont see why youd be foolin with it (unless a cpu ugrade obviously) .....and the review made no mention of heat issues in the lga-775 socket (unless i missed it..i know the prescott has its problems)

 

[ponyo]

Another thing Anandtech review makes no mention of is lock on FSB. At least Toms mentions it. Considering how popular overclocking is with most computer enthusiast it's one of the most potentially negative points about LGA 775. Yet not a mention from Anand.

 

[Markfw]

Originally posted by: DotheDamnTHing
the thing is the hardcore gamers market is small (relative to business and home users) and those two are where intel makes it money...as for the pin design, as with anyother processor installation you have to be careful...its not a five minute job and once you got in there, i dont see why youd be foolin with it (unless a cpu ugrade obviously) .....and the review made no mention of heat issues in the lga-775 socket (unless i missed it..i know the prescott has its problems)

Yes, 115 watt on the 3.6 P4 ! And as to wattage used, there is mention of that also. I think those two were on Tomshardware review. Maybe I'll link that one too.

 

[RussianSensation]

I think as DDR2 matures with lower latencies, the CPUS move to 1066FSB so that the RAM/CPU ran run in sync at DDR2-533, Intel begins to increase the clock speed, things will start to look a lot better. However, the advantages in gaming and office apps that AMD continues to hold are another issue for Intel.

Of course this is not the first time AMD is in the lead with regard to speed. Ever since the release of 1600+ to 2700+ AMD has held the lead in comparison to Intel from 1.6 to 2.66ghz on 845 chipset. The considerable advantage was held for 1 year at least (and not even mentioning lower prices for AMD on top of it). It is misleading to say that Intel has always been on top with regard to performance. Only after the release of the highly overclockable 2.4-2.8C processors for under $200US and 875/865 chipsets, Intel was able to regain the lead. And with the introduction of A64, AMD has regained it once again. In essence it has been a race for the lead back and forth. Yet many do not realize it because they simply look at the sales or market share of one or the other. Certainly AMD was always very close to Intel's performance and was in the lead for a long time. There is nothing surprising about A64's speed considering AMD was always a strong competitor.

It is not Intel that dropped the ball with its processors, rather AMD was able to produce an evolutionary product that much better this time around.

 

[stickybytes]

The LGA 775 socket doesn't seem to offer much performance gains and introduces a stupid socket that many people are bound to screw up. The pci-express slot seems to be promising but for now, some cards are even slower than their pci counterparts. Boy, what world are we in?

 

[DotheDamnTHing]

its called technological progress...granted it isnt always perfect(rambus is an example) or without a period of adjustment but for what ever reasons, intel decided it was time to move to a pin-less processor, ddr2 and pci-e with all inherent successes and failures each may present...btw, i dont see anyother company taking these make or break chances

 

[Wiktor]

I just can't stop thinking intel moved those pins to the mobo to make CPUs cheaper - to make mobo manufactureres pay for the pins. I remember reading those pins are a fair part of the costs and adding more pins becomes costly. Of course back then nobody realized they would just get rid of the pins all together.

 

[Carbonadium4]

PCI lasted like 10 years.. this hopefully will take us to the next 10 year.. I mean when they built the early car engine, it was like 4hp.. not bugati has quad turbo 1200hp and probably more..

this will mature and it will kick ass eventually.. i mean u did start with agp 1x, 2x, 4x and 8x

 

[manko]

Did you guys read this editorial? It's pretty brutal.

The future of Prescott

 

[jose]

The only good thing about this new technology is that maybe we'll get lower prices on 3.4C's ... I'll wait till next year for dual core's from both AMD & Intel . Also pci-express doesn't impress me either. The agp cards are beating their pci-e conterparts.

Regards,
Jose

 

[sisooktom]

Originally posted by: jose
The only good thing about this new technology is that maybe we'll get lower prices on 3.4C's ... I'll wait till next year for dual core's from both AMD & Intel . Also pci-express doesn't impress me either. The agp cards are beating their pci-e conterparts.

Regards,
Jose

Probably due to immature drivers. Although AGP is still fine for now, it's definately inferior tech compared to PCIe. On an unrelated note, the new "Matrix" RAID on the new Intel southbridge looks really cool, you can split 2 drives and have half as RAID 0 for speed and half as RAID 1 for redundancy, using only 2 drives. Tom's has the info on that; that review was MUCH more comprehensive.

 

[Chaotic42]

Originally posted by: manko
Did you guys read this editorial? It's pretty brutal.

The future of Prescott

Ouch.

That pin design is kind of frightening though. I do remember a lot of buzz about how everyone would crack the cores on the XP and MP processors, and I guess a few people did, but I've never known anyone who has. After 50 or so installs, I haven't.

Knock on wood.

 

[formulav8]

If video cards are not bandwidth limited on AGP, why would you expect them to gain much of anything to the increased bandwidth of pcix? Unless I am missing something, it doesn't make sense to me that I read before, that people were expecting a nice boost in performance. Am I missing something?


Jason

 

[Markfw]

Considering how large this release appeared to be, hardly anyone here wants to comment ? I guess it really was a flop, and it wasn;t just me:

Prescott is hotter than ever
the new socket is some better,some worst than the old
PCIe doesn;t seem to offer any advantage

And AMD is still ahead overall.

 

[RussianSensation]

Originally posted by: Carbonadium4
PCI lasted like 10 years.. this hopefully will take us to the next 10 year.. I mean when they built the early car engine, it was like 4hp.. not bugati has quad turbo 1200hp and probably more..

this will mature and it will kick ass eventually.. i mean u did start with agp 1x, 2x, 4x and 8x

The only difference is that the internal combustion engine has remained much unchanged with respect to how it works and how complex it got. On the other hand, computer technology progresses at a MUCH much faster rate and there have been some MAJOR changes along the way. The car's engines are close to a dead end in terms of improving efficiency and so on because the original concept of the internal combustion engine only allows for a certain % of efficiency at maximum which cannot be exceeded no matter what. Yet with computer technology, the performance just keeps increasing at an constant rate and efficiency is improving. You are right, PCIe should stay for a long time. Besides there is no need to worry, as for most people on these forums, a computer is obsolete within 2-3 years at the latest. As such, even if PCIe gets replaced by faster PCIe and SATA goes to 300 and then 600, and so on..etc. you'll be upgrading anyway.

I think the prescott launch was about the introduction of these new technologies into the market. It is an all-around important move for intel to encourage the computer hardware industry and software developers to slowly start taking advantage of the technology (ie. extra graphics bandwidth). For the most part, today's advantage is the ramping up of clock speed. Intel should introduce 3.8 ghz processor shortly. Soon with 1066FSB, and DDRII running in sync, Prescott's should get an additional boost in performance. One important factor to consider is the fact that Tom pinpointed the lack of overclocking on the new socket, yet HardOCP mentions they have no problems overclocking the processors to 4.0ghz. I dont understand why there is a descrepancy. Also Anandtech didnt' mention anything about the lock on FSB. Considering with the AGP/PCI lock on the A64 boards, the inability to overclock future Prescott processors is a really bad move, even though most computer sales are not a result of enthusiasts. Still every part of the market matters when every % of the market share is important. I could only see Intel preventing overclocking if their processors were faster than AMD's in the first place, which is not the case at the moment. Hopefully someone will have more info on this shortly.

 

[Wahsapa]

there is a overclock lock it turns out but it seems mobo makers are gonna come out with a socket 755 i875 board which is interesting to say the least. maybe via and sis are gonna be able to crank up the prescotts with their chipsets.

edit: i think when dual core m's come out on 935/45 with dual channel ddr2 at 1.2ghz, intel would be up to par again but right now, prescots + 915/25 is not not cutting it. and i think pci-e becomes important when nv50/high end ati cards debute with 1gig of ram(gddr4?).

 

[caz67]

I think it just needs time to mature. DDR2 is slower at the moment, again that will improve in the future.

However i can't see any benefit, in changing forn the 875 chipset for at least 12 mths.

Ill wait until Longhorn , before my next upgrade anyway...

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: Wahsapa
there is a overclock lock it turns out but it seems mobo makers are gonna come out with a socket 755 i875 board which is interesting to say the least. maybe via and sis are gonna be able to crank up the prescotts with their chipsets.

edit: i think when dual core m's come out on 935/45 with dual channel ddr2 at 1.2ghz, intel would be up to par again but right now, prescots + 915/25 is not not cutting it. and i think pci-e becomes important when nv50/high end ati cards debute with 1gig of ram(gddr4?).

Micron is already sampling GDDR3 at 1.6ghz, i dont think an architectural change will be necessary that soon for memory.

 

[Cerb]

Originally posted by: Carbonadium4
PCI lasted like 10 years.. this hopefully will take us to the next 10 year.. I mean when they built the early car engine, it was like 4hp.. not bugati has quad turbo 1200hp and probably more..

this will mature and it will kick ass eventually.. i mean u did start with agp 1x, 2x, 4x and 8x

Yes, but that stuff will be there for AMD really soon as well. And AMD still looks an overall better package.

 

[Carbonadium4]

The only reason I need pcie is because some quad monitor graphic card suck at 3d, i have to use 1 quadro agp + 1 quadro pci, with pcie, i hope to use 2 - quad pcie and get 8 display or at least 3 - dual pcie video cards..

having 1 fast agp and 1 semi fast pci sucks.. having 2 fast pcie would be better for me.