Liberal media misled public

Rob9874

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Former Governor James Thompson, a 9/11 Commission member, just confirmed on television that the 9/11 commission agreed with Bush that Iraq and al Quada had numerous ties. The commission reported that Iraq was not directly involved with the 9/11 attacks, but Bush never said that. The liberal media is misinterpreting the commission's report, claiming that Bush lied, and that Iraq had no ties with al Quada. They know that middle America won't know any better, and will base their votes in November based on whatever they hear in the news. So how does it feel to be duped by liberal propaganda?
 

SuperTool

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What's the rightwinger threshold for calling someone member of Al Qaeda? Thick eyebrows and a mustache?
 

NeoV

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no they didn't

no they didn't

Bush did say that

please do your homework before coming to class
 

Rob9874

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I expect you all to hold on to the lies you want to believe.

Gov. Thompson: They (Bush and Cheney) are right, and the newspapers are wrong.
 

element

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"So how does it feel to be duped by liberal propaganda?"

I wouldn't know, never been duped.
 

Zephyr106

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Originally posted by: Rob9874
I expect you all to hold on to the lies you want to believe.

Gov. Thompson: They (Bush and Cheney) are right, and the newspapers are wrong.

Well please provide links to the evidence.

Zephyr
 

Rob9874

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Originally posted by: Zephyr106
Originally posted by: Rob9874
I expect you all to hold on to the lies you want to believe.

Gov. Thompson: They (Bush and Cheney) are right, and the newspapers are wrong.

Well please provide links to the evidence.

Zephyr

I'm looking, but cannot find anything on the net yet. Just saw it on live TV.
 

cash1220

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Originally posted by: Zephyr106
Originally posted by: Rob9874
I expect you all to hold on to the lies you want to believe.

Gov. Thompson: They (Bush and Cheney) are right, and the newspapers are wrong.

Well please provide links to the evidence.

Zephyr

its been on tv all day
 

Moonbeam

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The way I heard it was that there were some contacts just like Bush said. Al Quaeda tried to hook up with Saddam and Saddam said no. WSo the part about 9/11 having nothing to do with Iraq and the part about their being contacts is right if you add that the contacts meant nothing at all. Bush is a liar because he tires to mislead with the a truth that has nothing to do with The Truth..
 

cash1220

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and you should correct the op. the commision, anybody for that matter, doesnt know if iraq played a role in 9/11. what they said is there is no direct evidence, not that they are certain iraq didnt play a role, they just havnt seen any evidence to support that idea.
 

Rob9874

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Originally posted by: Moonbeam
...and the part about their being contacts is right if you add that the contacts meant nothing at all.

That's not true at all. Al Qaeda groups operated in Iraq, and an al Qaeda leader was treated in an Iraqi hospital run by Sadam's son. Sounds like meaningful ties to me.
 

nutxo

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Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Some guy shows up in a Baghdad hospital and suddenly AQ is working for Saddam? I don't think so.

Some guy?!

Do you have the guys name handy?
 

etech

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There is more to it than just one guy showing up at a hospital. Try doing just a little bit of research once in awhile.

Commission confirms links

"Commission confirms links
By Stephen J. Hadley
A 9/11 commission staff report is being cited to argue that the administration was wrong about there being suspicious ties and contacts between Iraq and al-Qaeda. In fact, just the opposite is true. The staff report documents such links.
The staff report concludes that:

? Al-Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden "explored possible cooperation with Iraq during his time in Sudan."

? "A senior Iraqi intelligence officer reportedly made three visits to Sudan, finally meeting bin Laden in 1994."

? "Contacts between Iraq and al-Qaeda also occurred after bin Laden had returned to Afghanistan."

Chairman Thomas Kean has confirmed: "There were contacts between Iraq and al-Qaeda, a number of them, some of them a little shadowy. They were definitely there."




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Rob9874

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Thank you etech. Just goes to show how the commission can report one thing, and the media makes it appear to say the opposite. One statement, "there is no evidence that Iraq was directly related to the 9/11 attacks," is all the media needed to hear to make the report parallel their anti-Bush agenda.

More quotes from etech's link:

"For instance, Abu Musab al-Zarqawi is the leader of a terrorist group that is responsible for a number of deadly attacks throughout Iraq. He and his men trained and fought with al-Qaeda for years. Zarqawi's network helped establish and operate an explosives and poisons facility in northeast Iraq. Zarqawi and nearly two-dozen al-Qaeda associates were in Baghdad before the fall of Saddam's regime. In 2002, one al-Qaeda associate bragged that the situation in Iraq was "good" and that Baghdad could be transited quickly.

It may be that all of the contacts between Iraq and al-Qaeda never resulted in joint terrorist attacks. But considering all that we knew, no responsible leader could take for granted that such a collaboration would never happen.

Saddam had threatened American interests for more than a decade, harbored and assisted other terrorists, and possessed and used weapons of mass destruction. Al-Qaeda had declared war on America, and bin Laden had called the acquisition of weapons of mass destruction to attack Americans a "religious duty."

The president did not order the liberation of Iraq in retaliation for 9/11. He sent American troops to Iraq to remove a grave and gathering threat to America's security. Because he acted, Iraq is free, and America and the world are safer."
 

umbrella39

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Originally posted by: Rob9874
Former Governor James Thompson, a 9/11 Commission member, just confirmed on television that the 9/11 commission agreed with Bush that Iraq and al Quada had numerous ties. The commission reported that Iraq was not directly involved with the 9/11 attacks, but Bush never said that. The liberal media is misinterpreting the commission's report, claiming that Bush lied, and that Iraq had no ties with al Quada. They know that middle America won't know any better, and will base their votes in November based on whatever they hear in the news. So how does it feel to be duped by liberal propaganda?

Did you practice this post with crayons before typing it? Give it up already, the sooner you realize that Saddam did not order those stikes the better off you will be. Even if Saddam ordered them, how many people in his "inner circle" do you think were also involved? Take that number and if it is not greater than the 800+ soldiers that have died for this big lie, it's all bull$shit. You don't attack and take over a complete country based on speculation. Now put down the KoolAid cup and get some sleep.
 

Cobalt

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Originally posted by: Rob9874
Originally posted by: Zephyr106
Originally posted by: Rob9874
I expect you all to hold on to the lies you want to believe.

Gov. Thompson: They (Bush and Cheney) are right, and the newspapers are wrong.

Well please provide links to the evidence.

Zephyr

I'm looking, but cannot find anything on the net yet. Just saw it on live TV.

The media is so horribly liberal they would allow something that contradicts themselves? Shut up please.. your so brainwashed it's pathetic.
 

Rob9874

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Originally posted by: umbrella39

Did you practice this post with crayons before typing it? Give it up already, the sooner you realize that Saddam did not order those stikes the better off you will be. Even if Saddam ordered them, how many people in his "inner circle" do you think were also involved? Take that number and if it is not greater than the 800+ soldiers that have died for this big lie, it's all bull$shit. You don't attack and take over a complete country based on speculation. Now put down the KoolAid cup and get some sleep.

Did you even read my post, or do you respond with a knee-jerk reaction, like the liberal media have done? I, nor Bush, ever said that Saddam ordered the 9/11 attacks.

And the more I hear kool-aid references, the more I realize I'm arguing with morons here. You wouldn't discuss politics at the Special Olympics. So why do I do it on ATOT?
 

Rob9874

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Originally posted by: cobalt

The media is so horribly liberal they would allow something that contradicts themselves?

What? Care to say that in English? Is that a question, or a statement?
 

shiner

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Media Mislead on 9/11 Commission Finding on Iraq-al Qaida Link

Reports Wednesday morning that the 9/11 Commission has determined there was no cooperation between Iraq and al-Qaida are completely false - and are undoubtedly driven by the media's determination to contradict the Bush administration's claims that such a link exists.

"9/11 Panel Says Iraq Rebuffed Bin Laden" reads the headline on the Associated Press report on today's Commission staff statement.

But that's not what the Commission staff report actually said.

The below passage, for instance, does more to confirm the Bush administration's claims of an Iraq-al Qaida link than it does to contradict them.

"The Sudanese, to protect their own ties with Iraq, reportedly persuaded Bin Ladin* to cease [support for anti-Saddam Islamists in Northern Iraq] and arranged for contacts between Iraq and al Qaeda*.

"A senior Iraqi intelligence officer reportedly made three visits to Sudan, finally meeting Bin Ladin in 1994. Bin Ladin is said to have requested space to establish training camps, as well as assistance in procuring weapons, but Iraq apparently never responded." [Staff Statement No. 15, Page 5]

Apparently never responded? How, pray tell, does the AP derive from those words the conclusive claim that Iraq "rebuffed" bin Laden?

The Commission statement continues:

"There have been reports that contacts between Iraq and al Qaeda also occurred after Bin Ladin had returned to Afghanistan, but they do not appear to have resulted in a collaborative relationship."

What's the evidence for this less-than-conclusive surmise?

"Two senior Bin Ladin associates have adamantly denied that any ties existed between al Qaeda and Iraq," says the Commission.

Such a statement begs the question: Why does the Commission, let alone the press, take the word of two senior bin Laden associates over, say, Iraq's new prime minister, Iyad Allawi.

Last December he told the London Telegraph, "We are uncovering evidence all the time of Saddam's involvement with al-Qaeda."

Reacting to the discovery of an Iraqi intelligence document placing 9/11 hijacker Mohamed Atta in Baghdad two months before the attacks, he continued:

"This is the most compelling piece of evidence that we have found so far. It shows that not only did Saddam have contacts with al-Qaeda, he had contact with those responsible for the September 11 attacks."

In fact, nowhere does the Commission make the claim that Iraq and al-Qaida never cooperated. What it does say is "We have no credible evidence that Iraq and al Qaeda cooperated on attacks against the United States." [NewsMax italics]

Apparently Dr. Allawi's asssement counts for nothing.

Even so, it's worth noting that elsewhere in today's staff statement, the 9/11 Commission asserts:

"With al Qaeda at its foundation, Bin Ladin sought to build a broader Islamic Army that included terrorist groups from Egypt, Libya, Saudi Arabia and Oman, Tunisia, Jordan, Iraq, Lebanon, Morocco, Somalia, and Eritrea. Not all [terrorist] groups from these states agreed to join, but at least one from each did." [Staff Statement No. 15, Page 3]

In other words, at least one terror group from Iraq did form an alliance with bin Laden.

Another problem: If the press is going to take today's staff statement as gospel, certain long-held media assumptions will need to be drastically revised, such as the widely accepted notion that al-Qaida was involved in the first World Trade Center bombing.

Not true, says the Commission.

"Whether Bin Ladin and his organization had roles in the 1993 attack on the World Trade Center ... remains a matter of substantial uncertainty," the staff statement says, before insisting, "We have no conclusive evidence" of a bin Laden link. [Staff Statement No. 15, Page 6]

The same goes for "Operation Bojinka," the 1995 plot to hijack 12 airliners hatched by Ramzi Yousef and Khalid Sheikh Mohammed that experts say was the blueprint for the 9/11 attacks.

"[Mohammed] was not, however, an al Qaeda member at the time of the Manilla [Bojinka] plot," Commission staffers say, even though they acknowledge that he went on to mastermind the 9/11 attacks.

The press is furiously spinning the 9/11 Commission staff statement in a bid to discredit the Bush administration. Americans should go to the Sept. 11 Commission Web site and read the conclusions for themselves: http://www.9-11commission.gov/

* Commission spellings
 

eriqesque

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The liberals in general and most of the liberals on this board will never agree to anything that even remotely resembles the truth.
The always put their spin on it and they are the only ones who hold and speak the truth.
Always spewing the same garbage lines
Tin foil hats and kool aide tin foil hats and kool aide.

You people are so friggin brainwashed it's pathetic.
 

Moonbeam

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Osama: Hello Saddam, this is Osama.

Saddam: Get lost!

Bush: There were contacts. We need to drop 40,000 bombs on Iraq.
 

DealMonkey

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Like I said in one of the numerous other threads on this topic: You guys are clinging to the thinnest shred of anything. Only the most extremely tenuous "ties" can be shown between AQ and SH and the ones you are pointing out do nothing to further your agenda. Ooooh, they "explored possible cooperation" oh and lookee here "...senior Iraqi intelligence officer reportedly made three visits to Sudan, finally meeting bin Laden in 1994." Reportedly? According to whom? Chalabi? Some other Iraqi defector with an agenda? Wow, you got an avalanche of evidence there.

:roll:
 
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