Liberal Ninth Circuit Says Open-Carrying A Gun Is A Constitutional Right

[Hayabusa Rider]

what exactly will making law abiding citizens jump through hoops getting a license to buy a gun prevent?
and im sure the tugs in Chicago, New Orleans are going to line up for that.

When one purchases a gun then there needs to be a background check IMO because there are people who have demonstrated they are unfit and rights always come with a caveat, responsible use. Some individuals have already demonstrated they are untrustworthy by past behaviors and so forfeit rights.

As far as carrying a firearm the burden is on the owner to demonstrate a degree of proficiency and understanding on more than the mechanical aspects of shooting. We have drivers ed courses which cover driving scenarios and how to react. Periodic recertifications too.

This is serious business and people are right to be concerned.

 

[HomerJS]

what exactly will making law abiding citizens jump through hoops getting a license to buy a gun prevent?
and im sure the tugs in Chicago, New Orleans are going to line up for that.

Considering the #1 cause of guns deaths is suicide don't you think mental health screenings are in order?

 

[SP33Demon]

Somehow this news slipped my radar from last Friday, but this 9th circuit looks like it's going to be extremely friendly for gun lovers:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...nt-decision-blocking-california-ammo-ban.html

For all you California peeps

 

[shortylickens]

I actually prefer the system right now. A background check right when you buy. That way if you committed a crime very recently and had a warrant out, you would still be denied todays purchase.
A license that gets updated every year would still mean you'd have ample opportunity to be arrested, tried, convicted, set free before sentencing, and still buy a gun.

 

[Moonbeam]

Which will never happen in our lifetimes.

Again

Which will never happen in our lifetimes.

Based on past rates of change, perhaps, but nobody can anticipate black swan events except to say they happen.

 

[cytg111]

If I was a criminal and everyone around me was open carrying...the only thing I would see is easy access to weapons .. shrugs.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

If I was a criminal and everyone around me was open carrying...the only thing I would see is easy access to weapons .. shrugs.

c'mon now, Starsky and Hutch here are ready for any baddies that can't run up more than 1/2 a flight of stairs

 

[Moonbeam]

c'mon now, Starsky and Hutch here are ready for any baddies that can't run up more than 1/2 a flight of stairs

So "look out" if you're on the same floor

 

[Pipeline 1010]

OJT is the biggest professor on that. watch a few episodes of LivePD and maybe you can understand.

Why would I watch LivePD in order to understand why cops are so fucking scared of everybody all the time when stats show it isn't as dangerous as cops are told it is? When there are hundreds of videos showing cops brutalizing people because the cop was scared of danger that doesn't exist? The people who teach cops to be so fucking scared all the time know these stats. Yet they still teach cops to be overly scared anyways. Why?

 

[Pipeline 1010]

what exactly will making law abiding citizens jump through hoops getting a license to buy a gun prevent?

Ask the people who support driver license requirements. Or those who would arrest someone for driving without one. Those people will have some solid info for you.

and im sure the tugs in Chicago, New Orleans are going to line up for that.

Of course not but if we ended the war on drugs those motherfuckers wouldn't have a black market source of income anymore would they?

 

[Pipeline 1010]

The problem in these cases was black people open carrying. As pointed out a few posts back gun control had its genesis when the Black Panthers were arming themselves.

NO the problem is cops get away with doing this shit. Grand juries are stacked with retired cops and old white people who deeply sympathize with cops and can't comprehend that a cop might do something evil. They HATE to indict a cop. District Attorneys are critically dependent on the cooperation of police, who are in turn rabidly committed to defending each other no matter fucking what. A DA risks their career to prosecute a cop. Not because it is wrong...because cops are generally assholes. Until a cop can serve jail time for being evil, nothing will change. Holy fuck, cops won't even write each other traffic tickets for driving the same exact you and I would get tickets for. I don't know what the solution is, but I do know what the problem is: cops don't fear justice, because they are almost guaranteed to never face it.

 

[WelshBloke]

Right? Where's Mikey now? Probably crying in the UK somewhere over a soymilk latte, wondering how to put his new computer chair together without a screwdriver since he threw his in the trash out of fears of it being confiscated.

I wonder if his thoughts are the same as mine.
While I'm slightly saddened at the lack of common sense in the US I'm looking at the silver lining. When this leads to an increase of gun related deaths in the US it'll put a nail in the coffin of gun liberalisation everywhere else. So while it's a bit shit for you guys it's probably a net positive for the rest of the western world.

 

[OutHouse]

NO the problem is cops get away with doing this shit. Grand juries are stacked with retired cops and old white people who deeply sympathize with cops and can't comprehend that a cop might do something evil. They HATE to indict a cop. District Attorneys are critically dependent on the cooperation of police, who are in turn rabidly committed to defending each other no matter fucking what. A DA risks their career to prosecute a cop. Not because it is wrong...because cops are generally assholes. Until a cop can serve jail time for being evil, nothing will change. Holy fuck, cops won't even write each other traffic tickets for driving the same exact you and I would get tickets for. I don't know what the solution is, but I do know what the problem is: cops don't fear justice, because they are almost guaranteed to never face it.

racist piece of shit you are.

 

[Paratus]

racist piece of shit you are.

Cops are a race?

 

[brycejones]

racist piece of shit you are.

Being pissed at cops abusing their authority and not being held accountable is racism? You've had many shit posts over the years but man this is a giant one.

 

[mdram]

When one registers to vote n then there needs to be a background check IMO because there are people who have demonstrated they are unfit and rights always come with a caveat, responsible use. Some individuals have already demonstrated they are untrustworthy by past behaviors and so forfeit rights.

As far as voting the burden is on the owner to demonstrate a degree of proficiency and understanding on more than the issues and candidates. We have drivers ed courses which cover driving scenarios and how to react. Periodic recertifications too.

This is serious business and people are right to be concerned.

there, changed it, now hows it look to ya?

 

[Genx87]

Open carry is proof that the constitution is outdated in the modern world, and using it to address modern problems is pure foolishness.

This is so funny. One ruling proves the entire constitution is outdated. Things like free speech, freedom of the press, freedom of religion, right to not be illegally searched, right to a fair trial and due process. Things like that have no place in a modern world.

 

[soulcougher73]

Would make sense as it was the norm at the time for the founding fathers.

 

[HomerJS]

NO the problem is cops get away with doing this shit. Grand juries are stacked with retired cops and old white people who deeply sympathize with cops and can't comprehend that a cop might do something evil. They HATE to indict a cop. District Attorneys are critically dependent on the cooperation of police, who are in turn rabidly committed to defending each other no matter fucking what. A DA risks their career to prosecute a cop. Not because it is wrong...because cops are generally assholes. Until a cop can serve jail time for being evil, nothing will change. Holy fuck, cops won't even write each other traffic tickets for driving the same exact you and I would get tickets for. I don't know what the solution is, but I do know what the problem is: cops don't fear justice, because they are almost guaranteed to never face it.

In both these cases the calls came in scary black man carrying gun. Why was there no follow up before getting on the scene ready to kill that scary black man???

Oh sure black has nothing to do with it. Yes some white people get stopped open carrying but equal treatment ends there. They don't show up ready to shoot.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2Mj3Ap8G4U
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jf5TEoo-EY0

 

[Jhhnn]

Would make sense as it was the norm at the time for the founding fathers.

Carrying guns at the time was highly situational. Modern firearms don't have the same issues as muzzle loading black powder flintlocks. Black powder is corrosive, particularly if it's damp at all, like in high humidity. Guns were loaded when their use seemed imminent & had to be meticulously cleaned & dried afterwards.

They were extremely expensive & relatively rare until after the Civil War-

https://archive.nytimes.com/www.nytimes.com/books/00/09/10/reviews/000910.10willot.html

 

[shortylickens]

If I was a criminal and everyone around me was open carrying...the only thing I would see is easy access to weapons .. shrugs.

You sound like the kind of "criminal" who ends up in the hospital for 9 months and prison for 5 years because he thought crime was easy.

 

[Greenman]

The ruling was from a 3 judge panel. The 9th can decide that the entire 11 judge panel needs to hear the case, it will probably be overturned.

 

[Sunburn74]

This is so funny. One ruling proves the entire constitution is outdated. Things like free speech, freedom of the press, freedom of religion, right to not be illegally searched, right to a fair trial and due process. Things like that have no place in a modern world.

I think its more that the concepts the constitution were framed around are now so distorted with technology and population growth that framework and milieu of those ideas simply are just completely inadequate for the real world.

To put it in context virginia had like 180,000 people at the time of the revolutionary war. Today virginia has 8.4 million people living in that same space. Certainly if virginia has 84 million people in 100 years, even today's laws will seem absolutely ludicrous in terms of actually governing day to day life. Just imagine for example how pet laws would change in your city if the population of dogs increased 100 fold in a short time.

 

[WelshBloke]

You sound like the kind of "criminal" who ends up in the hospital for 9 months and prison for 5 years because he thought crime was easy.

Crime is ridiculously easy. That's why stupid people do it instead of getting a job.

 

[Pipeline 1010]

In both these cases the calls came in scary black man carrying gun. Why was there no follow up before getting on the scene ready to kill that scary black man???

Oh sure black has nothing to do with it. Yes some white people get stopped open carrying but equal treatment ends there. They don't show up ready to shoot.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2Mj3Ap8G4U
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jf5TEoo-EY0

Although this may be true, the main issue is no matter what the cop is not going to see jail time. Send cops to jail when they do evil shit and I guarantee this shit ends. There is a powerful and influential segment of our society who will never view an action committed by a cop as evil. So, I thoroughly understand the problem, but I have no idea what the solution is.