Liberal Ninth Circuit Says Open-Carrying A Gun Is A Constitutional Right

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Pipeline 1010

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If I was a criminal and everyone around me was open carrying...the only thing I would see is easy access to weapons .. shrugs.

Actually if you were really a criminal you would see the weapon and you would recognize a heightened risk of trying to taking it. There is a reason why cops open carry. There is a reason that people who open carry aren't often messed with. It is because your average criminal doesn't want a fight and most certainly doesn't want a fair fight. He isn't going to line up back-to-back with you and honorably take 10 paces then turn and fire. He would far prefer a defenseless victim. Look, I can empathize with you not understanding how a criminal thinks. You aren't one. You may think a criminal is all like "hur dur reeeeee there's a gun I must take it so I can do my dastardly deeds." In reality and in practice this is very rare and it makes logical sense why it is rare.
 
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Genx87

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I think its more that the concepts the constitution were framed around are now so distorted with technology and population growth that framework and milieu of those ideas simply are just completely inadequate for the real world.

To put it in context virginia had like 180,000 people at the time of the revolutionary war. Today virginia has 8.4 million people living in that same space. Certainly if virginia has 84 million people in 100 years, even today's laws will seem absolutely ludicrous in terms of actually governing day to day life. Just imagine for example how pet laws would change in your city if the population of dogs increased 100 fold in a short time.

Pets laws are not covered under the constitution. The constitution is there to define the role of the federal govt. The items I listed do not change if we have a population of 100k or 1 billion. Free speech doesnt become a bad thing or not fit for "modern" times because we have more population.
 
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Sunburn74

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Pets laws are not covered under the constitution. The constitution is there to define the role of the federal govt. The items I listed do not change if we have a population of 100k or 1 billion. Free speech doesnt become a bad thing or not fit for "modern" times because we have more population.

Free speech isn't a law. Its a concept enshrined into laws (you can't slander people or yell fire in a movie theater right? Those are laws). The laws themselves change (or should change) with the times and some concepts that were initially enshrined into laws also had to be eliminated entirely over time. Necessity is the mother of invention and a massive increase in the population will create all sorts of necessities that never existed prior.

A tripling of a population can easily change many alleged rights in this country. In example, in general you have a right to sue when harmed but lately because lawsuits have been so many and so costly politicians have been eliminating that right (through forced arbitration, gag laws, etc etc) as a result. The concept of having your day in court is really somewhat on its last legs and I wouldn't be shocked if some state in the next 20-30 years gets rid of these sorts of principles even in the criminal arena as a means to cut costs, speed things up, etc etc
 

HomerJS

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Although this may be true, the main issue is no matter what the cop is not going to see jail time. Send cops to jail when they do evil shit and I guarantee this shit ends. There is a powerful and influential segment of our society who will never view an action committed by a cop as evil. So, I thoroughly understand the problem, but I have no idea what the solution is.
Tell you what.

Fix the unequal treatment of blacks and people of color FIRST and then you can have your open carry.
 

WelshBloke

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Actually if you were really a criminal you would see the weapon and you would recognize a heightened risk of trying to taking it. There is a reason why cops open carry. There is a reason that people who open carry aren't often messed with. It is because your average criminal doesn't want a fight and most certainly doesn't want a fair fight. He isn't going to line up back-to-back with you and honorably take 10 paces then turn and fire. He would far prefer a defenseless victim. Look, I can empathize with you not understanding how a criminal thinks. You aren't one. You may think a criminal is all like "hur dur reeeeee there's a gun I must take it so I can do my dastardly deeds." In reality and in practice this is very rare and it makes logical sense why it is rare.
If I was the type of person who was happy to rob and kill someone, and I wanted to rob you, and I saw you were carrying a gun, I'd just shoot you in the back a couple of times before you knew I was there.

Luckily I'm a good bloke and I don't want your stuff!
 

highland145

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Tell you what.

Fix the unequal treatment of blacks and people of color FIRST and then you can have your open carry.
How about we have open carry and free treatment of killing criminals in places like Detroit, Birmingham, Chicago, New Orleans, Savannah?

Your racist "oh, my, cause black" stick is more than stale.
 

highland145

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If I was the type of person who was happy to rob and kill someone, and I wanted to rob you, and I saw you were carrying a gun, I'd just shoot you in the back a couple of times before you knew I was there.

Luckily I'm a good bloke and I don't want your stuff!
No, you wouldn't. Easier targets to be had.
 

HomerJS

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How about we have open carry and free treatment of killing criminals in places like Detroit, Birmingham, Chicago, New Orleans, Savannah?

Your racist "oh, my, cause black" stick is more than stale.
If you think blacks are treated equally by the criminal justice system you are a fool and a moron.
 

Pipeline 1010

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If I was the type of person who was happy to rob and kill someone, and I wanted to rob you, and I saw you were carrying a gun, I'd just shoot you in the back a couple of times before you knew I was there.

Luckily I'm a good bloke and I don't want your stuff!

You could easily do that to a cop, too. Yet you don't. Why not?
 

highland145

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If you think blacks are treated equally by the criminal justice system you are a fool and a moron.
Huh, that Harvard study said that WHITES were more likely shot by popo than black. Blacks were more likely harassed.

I know there's a bias because of things like opportunity/proximity/know offenders/etc/etc. By you are a full on racist because ....black.

And, which you have ignored but sure you saw during GZ, the FL stand your ground law has been used more by blacks than whites.

You are a racist. Ignore any and all facts if they don't fall your way because...black.
 

Pipeline 1010

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Tell you what.

Fix the unequal treatment of blacks and people of color FIRST and then you can have your open carry.

I would like nothing better than to see both of these happen. I don't care in which order. We live in a society were (1) The open carry community commit proportionally fewer gun crimes than cops and (2) Blacks use drugs at a lower rate than whites yet are in jail for drugs at a 9x higher rate. Despite being outnumbered by whites 9-1. This is something like a 100x disparity. It is beyond statistically fucking impossible.
 

highland145

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Because my cops are nice and give me directions when I'm lost?

Or are we talking about imaginary homicidal me?
1st 99.9997% of cops. 2nd, shoot the bastard.

Idiots don't realize that there are 18K some odd police forces in the country. Nearly 1M officers. 987 police shootings in 2017, total. Homer would have you believe that 8K blacks were killed by police, wrongly.

Evil wants to see evil.
 

Pipeline 1010

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1st 99.9997% of cops. 2nd, shoot the bastard.

Idiots don't realize that there are 18K some odd police forces in the country. Nearly 1M officers. 987 police shootings in 2017, total. Homer would have you believe that 8K blacks were killed by police, wrongly.

Evil wants to see evil.

There are no reliable statistics on police shootings. Your 987 number is unreliable and most certainly an extremely low number. I can guarantee that no cop in 2017 was sentenced to jail for murder. EVEN IF there were only 987 police shootings, it is impossible in good faith to assume not one of those was a murder. Hell, cops have a higher domestic abuse rates than the general population. Far higher. We aren't talking about perfect angels. Yet we treat them like perfect angels. Why?

And you are going to tell me that we want cops to do jail for evil shit because we falsely think they kill 8K black people per year? What a stupid premise that nobody on earth actually thinks. We think they get away with evil because of a stacked system and we think they should be held at least as accountable as us and they CLEARLY ARE NOT HELD TO ANY STANDARD.
 

highland145

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There are no reliable statistics on police shootings. Your 987 number is unreliable and most certainly an extremely low number. I can guarantee that no cop in 2017 was sentenced to jail for murder. EVEN IF there were only 987 police shootings, it is impossible in good faith to assume not one of those was a murder. Hell, cops have a higher domestic abuse rates than the general population. Far higher. We aren't talking about perfect angels. Yet we treat them like perfect angels. Why?

And you are going to tell me that we want cops to do jail for evil shit because we falsely think they kill 8K black people per year? What a stupid premise that nobody on earth actually thinks. We think they get away with evil because of a stacked system and we think they should be held at least as accountable as us and they CLEARLY ARE NOT HELD TO ANY STANDARD.
Well, 'nuf said. amirite?
 

SP33Demon

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Tell you what.

Fix the unequal treatment of blacks and people of color FIRST and then you can have your open carry.
Sorry, we are already getting our open carry. Your faux outrage for social justice is noted.
 

SP33Demon

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"I am looking into 3-D Plastic Guns being sold to the public."

That statement and your statement aren't in agreement. Also I agree with Trump, printed guns shouldn't be sold unless they are a business and/or properly licensed to do so.

The more important takeaway from your link is that Trump is mocking the Koch brothers and not buying their line of shit. He ain't for sale, folks, not even to rich MFers like the Kochs.
 

dank69

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"I am looking into 3-D Plastic Guns being sold to the public."

That statement and your statement aren't in agreement. Also I agree with Trump, printed guns shouldn't be sold unless they are a business and/or properly licensed to do so.

The more important takeaway from your link is that Trump is mocking the Koch brothers and not buying their line of shit. He ain't for sale, folks, not even to rich MFers like the Kochs.
Yup, most people have to be paid to do things detrimental to society. Trump and his supporters are happy to do that shit for free.
 
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