Liberal vs Conservative -- semantic and historical approach

[Moonbeam]

No, I'm a centrist with some libertarian tendencies. Just because I like to call out the hipocrisy found in political corectness doesn't mean I'm alt-right.

It's not the call out that is troubling, it's the broad spectrum brush that you use that is. As you may remember I agreed with your observations that there is a problem on the left, the authoritarian left which you made into every liberal and it a way that revealed a significant delusional aspect to your treatise, one very much alt-right in nature. Its the women and the liberals. hehe

 

[Moonbeam]

Uh-huh, who's the one who resorted to personal attacks, again? Sorry buddy, you can't fool anyone with that do-gooder facade of yours.

Sorry buddy but saying 'sorry buddy you can't fool anybody' is really just lame. Nine out of ten dentists agree with me. Sorry I exposed your problem with women. Help is available.

 

[pmv]

No, I'm a centrist with some libertarian tendencies. Just because I like to call out the hipocrisy found in political corectness doesn't mean I'm alt-right.

Well firstly, libertarians are very definitely on the right, in fact are just conservatives who don't hate gays as much and who want to reserve the option of taking recreational drugs at some point.

Secondly even in Europe those who call themselves 'centrists' are usually in practice conservatives, and in the US, where the centre is way over to the right anyway, a self-described 'centrist' is pretty much certain to be a conservative.

You might not be 'alt-right' - that seems to mostly mean outright Nazis who know how to make memes. You might not be that far out, but I think it's a safe bet you are a conservative.

 

[bshole]

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The middle ground was wiped out, in the US by Sanders and Trump, in the UK by May and Corbyn, all wortless pieces of filth with retarded ideas that cannot and never have worked in reality.

Wow, Sanders is a worthless piece of filth? What specifically do you not like about Sanders?

 

[agent00f]

What personal interests? My interest is in the fact you are a leftist authoritarian or an agent provocateur of some foreign entity that seeks to destroy American liberalism by dividing liberals and creating fanatics on the left that create havoc for real progressives? My interest in the welfare of my country? I see that as being duty, not personal interest. You promote what is evil. As long as you are here spewing garbage I will be here kicking your ass.

No, you check off every box for messiah complex, ie bipolar manic, so there's no mystery your primary interest in promoting your own mystical crackpot above all else as evident from your comment history. The last of which paints yourself as some kind of saint and enemies as evil, as would be perfectly expected from empirical observation.

If he were any kind of leftist his views on economics would be entirely different. Whatever his motivations might be, he's just here to spread the FUD.

Let's not pretend you can play smart enough to understand much of anything I say.

 

[agent00f]

Well firstly, libertarians are very definitely on the right, in fact are just conservatives who don't hate gays as much and who want to reserve the option of taking recreational drugs at some point.

Secondly even in Europe those who call themselves 'centrists' are usually in practice conservatives, and in the US, where the centre is way over to the right anyway, a self-described 'centrist' is pretty much certain to be a conservative.

You might not be 'alt-right' - that seems to mostly mean outright Nazis who know how to make memes. You might not be that far out, but I think it's a safe bet you are a conservative.

Rank and file american conservatives who consume our right wing media a la breitbart often consider themselves centrists because they're not quite nazis/klan.

The question makes no sense, the opposite of liberalism is fascism and the opposite of conservatism is progressivism.

You are trying to argue north vs east without realizing that north east is a valid direction.

I'm progressive on some things (almost everything, actually) but conservative on others, I'm 100% liberal on all things.

Universally hated by the far left and the far right fascists though.

Progress was made by defeating the nazis and confederate sons, something wannabes like you hate on folks for doing. Progressive liberalism is an intellectual tradition of the enlightenment, and let's not pretend you're any sort of thinker or principled. For example it's pretty easy to see why you promote the israeli right wing's agenda to build a muslim ghetto.

 

[FFFF]

Well firstly, libertarians are very definitely on the right, in fact are just conservatives

What?

Libertarianism is not bound to the right wing or conservatives just like it's opposite, authoritarianism, is not bound to the left. Your ignorance is just as incredible as always.

 

[Moonbeam]

What?

Libertarianism is not bound to the right wing or conservatives just like it's opposite, authoritarianism, is not bound to the left. Your ignorance is just as incredible as always.

You seem to fail to notice that we have some problems on the left with campus free speech and violent protests while we are living through a full blown mass psychosis on the right. Get real.

 

[FFFF]

You seem to fail to notice that we have some problems on the left with campus free speech and violent protests while we are living through a full blown mass psychosis on the right. Get real.

And what does that have to do with the post you just quoted? I get it, calling out the hipocrisy of modern feminism triggered you to the extreme, but move on already and stop barging in on discussions that don't have anything to do with the subject.

 

[pmv]

What?

Libertarianism is not bound to the right wing or conservatives just like it's opposite, authoritarianism, is not bound to the left. Your ignorance is just as incredible as always.

Seriously? You actually believe that? I know libertarians claim to not be conservatives, but it's always been a deeply unconvincing claim.

OK, maybe this is really just about terminology. If you go way, way back, then its' true, there were those who claimed to be 'libertarian leftists'. But at least since the 1960s the term has come to mean the particular, mostly American, political movement that is predominantly about "free markets" and the wealthy hanging on to their wealth, with a sugar-coating of mild social liberalism on top. (Cf the Libertarian party).

Even those who would once have called themselves 'libertarian left' have pretty much given up attempting to hang on to the label as it's a lost cause. It's now very much understood to be a philosophy of the right.

 

[Moonbeam]

And what does that have to do with the post you just quoted? I get it, calling out the hipocrisy of modern feminism triggered you to the extreme, but move on already and stop barging in on discussions that don't have anything to do with the subject.

Ah, a lack of comprehension. You said that authoritarianism is not confined to the left. It is not only not confined there, it doesn't predominate there either. Your words imply that you live in an altered reality.

 

[FFFF]

Ah, a lack of comprehension. You said that authoritarianism is not confined to the left. It is not only not confined there, it doesn't predominate there either. Your words imply that you live in an altered reality.

Forget it, you're clearly so angry right now that you infer the worst in anything I say.

 

[Jhhnn]

What?

Libertarianism is not bound to the right wing or conservatives just like it's opposite, authoritarianism, is not bound to the left. Your ignorance is just as incredible as always.

Libertarians believe in the authority of ownership. When ownership is overly concentrated in the hands of the wealthy, that makes them conservative.

 

[Moonbeam]

Forget it, you're clearly so angry right now that you infer the worst in anything I say.

Hang on! If I'm so angry I infer the worst that's my fuck up. I'm willing to deal with the possibility. But it wouldn't hurt if I knew exactly what I inferred improperly or how I was wrong about apportioning conservatives a bigger slice of the fanatic pie in this time today. I have been severely criticized by liberals for attacking their arrogance in assuming they are so much smarter than conservatives and their clinging to a democratic centrist line when what we need is a madman like Sanders calling for a revolution. You talk about liberals and conservatives, but I say what the fuck is the difference. Democracy is dead and only a revolution is bringing it back as far as I can see.