Liberal's Handgun Ban

[speg]

I was impressed by the Conservatives in the first week of the campaign, but Martin and the Liberals have announced this morning a plan to ban all handguns! That's a pretty big step. I wonder if it's the right way to go about the issues in Toronto, it's certainley better than talk.

I was (still am?) undecided as to how I'll vote, but I like this and has me leaning heavily towards the Liberals now.

Will this affect how you vote? Do you think it's going to solve the urban violence?

 

[Codewiz]

So you believe that the criminals are going to follow the law?

 

[Genx87]

Gun restrictions only affect people following the law.
Criminals will probably take comfort in knowing the persons house they are breaking into doesnt have a gun the owner can use to defend it.

 

[K1052]

Correct me if I am wrong, but I thought handgun ownership in Canada was already closely regulated?

I would think that a handgun ban would be pretty ineffective as they would just be smuggled in illegally from the US.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Codewiz
So you believe that the criminals are going to follow the law?

Originally posted by: Genx87
Gun restrictions only affect people following the law.

Criminals will probably take comfort in knowing the persons house they are breaking into doesnt have a gun the owner can use to defend it.

Pretty much sums it up.

 

[Strk]

Originally posted by: Genx87
Gun restrictions only affect people following the law.
Criminals will probably take comfort in knowing the persons house they are breaking into doesnt have a gun the owner can use to defend it.

Yeah, they really do

I mean, here in MA, we have some pretty strict laws, but if you really want a gun, you can just go over a state or two.

 

[Meuge]

Originally posted by: speg
I was impressed by the Conservatives in the first week of the campaign, but Martin and the Liberals have announced this morning a plan to ban all handguns! That's a pretty big step. I wonder if it's the right way to go about the issues in Toronto, it's certainley better than talk.

I was (still am?) undecided as to how I'll vote, but I like this and has me leaning heavily towards the Liberals now.

Will this affect how you vote? Do you think it's going to solve the urban violence?

Whoever is for banning handguns loses my vote instantly here in the US... and I don't even own one. Taking guns away from the peaceful population is a sure sign of the government that expects to take full control of its population.

 

[JackStorm]

Originally posted by: Meuge
Whoever is for banning handguns loses my vote instantly here in the US... and I don't even own one. Taking guns away from the peaceful population is a sure sign of the government that expects to take full control of its population.

Indeed. When it comes to picking the lesser of two evils, I will always side with the peoples right to own a gun against the nanny/police state that wants to remove it from them.

 

[joshw10]

as a liberal i completely support the right to own guns especially hand guns

 

[sdifox]

I don't see how this will improve safety. I am against guns in general, but we are talking about people posessing illegal guns in the first place. Not a legit gun owner. So what is that going to do other than drive up gun prices in the black market?
Problem is enforcement of existing laws and sentencing. There is nothing wrong with the laws we already have, if only the courts will impose harsher sentences.

 

[halik]

Originally posted by: Codewiz
So you believe that the criminals are going to follow the law?

I'm sure the guys that kill people with those handguns have them legally licensed and registered in their name.
The only way guncontrol ban would work is if they were administered globally. That would decrease the supply, inclreasing prices to the point where guns would be economically unviable to people that don't follow the law.

Untill then, you're just taking guns away from people that follow the law.

 

[Sureshot324]

Nobody needs a handgun.

If you want to defend your home, a larger gun will work just as well, and practically nobody carries a handgun everywhere they go for personal defence (criminals excepted), so they are really not needed. However, if you want to mug someone on the street or attack a rival gang member, a concealable hand gun is usually your only option.

If hand guns are banned, then of course it will still be possible to obtain one illegally. However for a lot of people this will be difficult. You have to know someone who can get you one, and there will be areas with virtually no illegal gun trade.

 

[Meuge]

Originally posted by: Sureshot324
Nobody needs a handgun.

If you want to defend your home, a larger gun will work just as well, and practically nobody carries a handgun everywhere they go for personal defence (criminals excepted), so they are really not needed. However, if you want to mug someone on the street or attack a rival gang member, a concealable hand gun is usually your only option.

If hand guns are banned, then of course it will still be possible to obtain one illegally. However for a lot of people this will be difficult. You have to know someone who can get you one, and there will be areas with virtually no illegal gun trade.

In the U.S., with like 300 million handguns in private hands? Yeah, right. In Europe gun regulation works because the civilians never HAD guns in the first place. In the U.S. it's a futile struggle, with little to gain.

 

[halik]

Originally posted by: Sureshot324
Nobody needs a handgun.

If you want to defend your home, a larger gun will work just as well, and practically nobody carries a handgun everywhere they go for personal defence (criminals excepted), so they are really not needed. However, if you want to mug someone on the street or attack a rival gang member, a concealable hand gun is usually your only option.

If hand guns are banned, then of course it will still be possible to obtain one illegally. However for a lot of people this will be difficult. You have to know someone who can get you one, and there will be areas with virtually no illegal gun trade.

In that case, you must believe that criminals use legally registered and licensed guns to conduct their business, because they'd "have to know someone who can get them one" illegaly.

Target acquisition time also tends to be lower with handgun just because they're easier to handle (my brothers ar-15 weights a ton, so swinging it around takes more time than say a glock)

 

[Sureshot324]

In that case, you must believe that criminals use legally registered and licensed guns to conduct their business, because they'd "have to know someone who can get them one" illegaly.

Some do and some don't. A lot of gun deaths are not commited by career criminals.

Target acquisition time also tends to be lower with handgun just because they're easier to handle (my brothers ar-15 weights a ton, so swinging it around takes more time than say a glock)

I'm sure there are guns which are relatively light and still large enough to be non-concealable. If not, the government could stop in and design a gun specifally for this purpose.

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: Sureshot324
Nobody needs a handgun.

If you want to defend your home, a larger gun will work just as well, and practically nobody carries a handgun everywhere they go for personal defence (criminals excepted), so they are really not needed. However, if you want to mug someone on the street or attack a rival gang member, a concealable hand gun is usually your only option.

If hand guns are banned, then of course it will still be possible to obtain one illegally. However for a lot of people this will be difficult. You have to know someone who can get you one, and there will be areas with virtually no illegal gun trade.

Just like drugs, eh?

<sarcasm>We sure solved that problem.</sarcasm>

 

[Sureshot324]

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: Sureshot324
Nobody needs a handgun.

If you want to defend your home, a larger gun will work just as well, and practically nobody carries a handgun everywhere they go for personal defence (criminals excepted), so they are really not needed. However, if you want to mug someone on the street or attack a rival gang member, a concealable hand gun is usually your only option.

If hand guns are banned, then of course it will still be possible to obtain one illegally. However for a lot of people this will be difficult. You have to know someone who can get you one, and there will be areas with virtually no illegal gun trade.

Just like drugs, eh?

<sarcasm>We sure solved that problem.</sarcasm>

If you could buy coke in any corner store the drug problem would be 10x worse. Plus, 3rd world farmers can't grow guns in their fields. You really need a factory to produce a lot of them. Most guns in the US are produced in the US. Cut off that supply, and eventually there's going to be a lot less of them. It would take a lot of time of course, since there's already so many of them here.

 

[Chris A]

Most guns in the US are produced in the US. Cut off that supply, and eventually there's going to be a lot less of them.

trust me there would be plenty of places that would pick up the slack.. China and Mexico could also kick them out pretty quick.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

what the hell is the obsession with handguns? I just don't get it. And how the words are twisted to make it a 'right' to own one.

 

[EatSpam]

Originally posted by: Codewiz
So you believe that the criminals are going to follow the law?

This is the big falsehood of gun control.

 

[skygod99]

Originally posted by: Sheik Yerbouti
what the hell is the obsession with handguns? I just don't get it. And how the words are twisted to make it a 'right' to own one.

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State,
the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed."
-Second Amendment to the U.S. Constitution


Nuff said.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Yea, i know it, and it was intended for people to defend the country. Nevermind.

 

[Codewiz]

Originally posted by: Sureshot324
Nobody needs a handgun.

If you want to defend your home, a larger gun will work just as well, and practically nobody carries a handgun everywhere they go for personal defence (criminals excepted), so they are really not needed. However, if you want to mug someone on the street or attack a rival gang member, a concealable hand gun is usually your only option.

If hand guns are banned, then of course it will still be possible to obtain one illegally. However for a lot of people this will be difficult. You have to know someone who can get you one, and there will be areas with virtually no illegal gun trade.

I assume you have NEVER EVER fired a gun. It would be very difficult to defend your home with a rifle or shotgun.

NOT to mention MUCH more dangerous. Especially considering a rifle will most likely send a round into your neighbor's home.

 

[Sureshot324]

Originally posted by: Chris A

Most guns in the US are produced in the US. Cut off that supply, and eventually there's going to be a lot less of them.

trust me there would be plenty of places that would pick up the slack.. China and Mexico could also kick them out pretty quick.

I can't see it. Even those countries wouldn't tolerate a factory whos main business is exporting illegal firearms to the states.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: Sheik Yerbouti
Yea, i know it, and it was intended for people to defend the country. Nevermind.

Ihave heard a couple of the founding fathers put it in there so people can defend themselves from the govt as well.

An armed citizen keeps the govt in check.