Liberals trying to force homosexuality onto children

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Moonbeam

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: dahunan
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: aidanjm
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: aidanjm
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: aidanjm
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: aidanjm
Originally posted by: dirtboy
As I've said before, the left is a party of no morals. They want to corrupt our society and this is just more proof to the mountain of evidence.

Liberals, progressives want to make society better by bringing much needed change.
Changwe is fine when it's for the good of all. I do believe that acceptance of Gays is good but there really isn't a need to teach about Gay Sex when the vast majority of students aren't gay.

Where do you get they are teaching about gay sex? I thought in this case it was teaching about different types of families.
I didn't, I was just commenting on what I thought wouldn't be acceptable to teach in the Class Room

should heterosexual sex be taught (with older kids)?
Yes in the context of reproduction.

no safe sex education? info on HIV, etc? Birth control, condoms?

My view is that gay kids should have the same access to relevant info on sex and sexuality, including things like HIV/ AIDS, condoms, etc. that heterosexual kids do.
They can sanitize it enough not to be offensive and still be effective.


who would they offend?
Christians, Muslims, Jews, and 95% of Atheist Hetrosexuals (unless it was two very attractive Lesabians) would be my guess.
There is no evidence that I am aware showing that being offended by homosexuality is genetic. If 95% of the people are bigots all the more reason to change.

Bigotry is an evil and it is the moral duty of every person to eliminate it. This is best done by freeing children from the delusions of the past. But bigots crave company and the company of their children. Bigotry runs very very deep. It is self hate that masks itself as hate for the other. But while there may be benefits from a social stigma against intolerance, bigotry can't be defeated by hate. That is why it is important to remember that the bigot has a disease and is not responsible for it. He can see his bigotry and overcome it best if he is loved, because it is only love that heals self hate. This urge to ban Zendari is one that I don't understand. It's a rare bigot that stands forth and tells you he is proud to be one. The task at hand is to heal, not ban. Zendari has an irrational belief that Gay is evil, but he cannot prove that case without going to an old bigoted text like the Bible. His case is as absurd as the Hindu case against the Untouchable. It is nothing but irrational hate and fear and a form of mental illness. When did we start hating the sick? Hate the evil it does if you have to hate. Hate that Gays die dragged behind the cars of the sickest bigots. It is the same disease evenly more openly expressed. Most good people are ashamed of themselves when they see what their bigotry does to the victims we manufacture in this world. It is only in certainty that men kill. And the thing about bigotry is it's certain. George Wallace later in life asked forgiveness of the girl become woman he tried to keep out of a white school.

Humanity will awake from its Millennia sleep in bigotry and superstition or will kill itself over lies.

 

aidanjm

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: dahunan
who would they offend?
Christians, Muslims, Jews, and 95% of Atheist Hetrosexuals (unless it was two very attractive Lesabians) would be my guess.

i.e., it is more important to avoid offending delicate sensibilities, than it is to provide gay kids with the information they need to save their own lives (like how to avoid contracting HIV virus).
 

aidanjm

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Originally posted by: zendari
Let's teach the kids about pedophiles while we are at it.

If you don't teach kids about stuff like not talking to strangers, etc., or that they don't have to tolerate people touching them and they should tell their parents or other trusted adult if that happens, then you are just making them vulnerable to predators, I would have thought.
 

Moonbeam

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Originally posted by: aidanjm
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: dahunan
who would they offend?
Christians, Muslims, Jews, and 95% of Atheist Hetrosexuals (unless it was two very attractive Lesabians) would be my guess.

i.e., it is more important to avoid offending delicate sensibilities, than it is to provide gay kids with the information they need to save their own lives.

There is no such things as delicate sensibilities. People imagine that things offend them. This is not so. They were exposed to disgust in the form of being found disgusting as children and internalized that sense in the form of a repressed feeling that they are disgusting. So when somebody does or expresses anything the authoritarians who taught them is disgusting they immediately have those repressed memories triggered which instantly arouses fear. The fear in tern is repressed by disgust and hate. They have internalized the Authoritarian and engage in new repression. And thus it goes on and on till love and insight break in.
 

DealMonkey

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Originally posted by: zendari
I guess its time to consider homeschooling where kids can get a solid eduation instead of being recruited for this perverse behavior. Gotta get em while they're young I suppose.
Yeah, turn 'em into little bigots while their innocent little minds can be easily molded. Home school them until they're rocking back and forth while reciting bible verses from memory. Sounds more like Pakistan than the U.S., but hey I'm sure that's what you'd prefer.
 

sandorski

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hehe, when I was a kid(<10ish years), there were parents everywhere I looked. Funny thing though, I never once associated them, even my own parents, as having sex. Knowing that someone has 2 dads/moms does not equate to Homosexuality in a child's mind.
 

rockyct

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Originally posted by: outriding
Ok I have a question for the anti gay people here...

Do you know what the percentage of being gay when ....

You are an identical twin is gay?
or Your faternal twin is gay?

I will post the answer and my source later tonight.

50%
6%

I'm a liberal and also a strong Christian, but I'm not anti-gay. I think the saddest thing is the situation with gay people in the church. There are a lot of them, but I think the church pretends like they don't exist. It's a huge struggle for them because they feel like they can't talk about it with people who believe homosexuality is just in their head. I've had some really deep conversations with a couple gay Christians once they found out I wasn't going to tell them to pray about becoming straight.
 

Legend

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Originally posted by: sandorski
hehe, when I was a kid(<10ish years), there were parents everywhere I looked. Funny thing though, I never once associated them, even my own parents, as having sex. Knowing that someone has 2 dads/moms does not equate to Homosexuality in a child's mind.

That's true for me too.

When I was like 8, I went to one of my great uncle's house. All I knew was that there were 2 men living in that house. I called my younger brother a i love you for some reason, and my parents scolded at me. I had no idea why they did that.

It wasn't until I was about 14, and that memory popped up did I realize why.
 

magomago

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Sep 28, 2002
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Originally posted by: sandorski
hehe, when I was a kid(<10ish years), there were parents everywhere I looked. Funny thing though, I never once associated them, even my own parents, as having sex. Knowing that someone has 2 dads/moms does not equate to Homosexuality in a child's mind.

I never did either. However I wonder if part of that was because I never saw "daddy and daddy" parents or "mommy and mommy" parents. I've seen single parents for sure, but their dads always did visit them.

I wonder if by crating the implication of "mommy and mommy" and "Daddy and daddy" if kids will start to think twice about it.

Because either way, I'm not for exposing sexuality to kids at such a young age, regardless of straight or gay
 

nakedfrog

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I suppose the parents aren't down with the whole "love the sinner, hate the sin" part of the Bible, then?
And AFAIK "under god" is still in the pledge of allegience, so can I say that Conservatives are trying to force christianity onto children? Could I reasonably expect the superintendent to come and whisk my children away any time someone starts talking about christianity?
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: aidanjm
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: aidanjm
no safe sex education? info on HIV, etc? Birth control, condoms?

My view is that gay kids should have the same access to relevant info on sex and sexuality, including things like HIV/ AIDS, condoms, etc. that heterosexual kids do.
They can sanitize it enough not to be offensive and still be effective.

The phrase 'sanitize' implies you think there is something dirty about sex, per se.

My view is that gay kids and heterosexual kids face somewhat different dangers or problems associated with becoming sexually active. E.g., young gay males face greater risk of picking up HIV/ AIDS. They don't have to worry about unwanted pregnancies. It isn't good enough, in my opinion, to offer a sex ed. course that caters only to heterosexuals, and offers no information at all specific to gay kids. It also isn't good enough, imo, to simply promote 'no sex before marriage" and conveniently ignore the fact that many individuals, gay or straight, will become sexually active long before they get married (if indeed they ever marry).
Tell me how do they handle this in Oz?
 

sandorski

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Oct 10, 1999
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Originally posted by: magomago
Originally posted by: sandorski
hehe, when I was a kid(<10ish years), there were parents everywhere I looked. Funny thing though, I never once associated them, even my own parents, as having sex. Knowing that someone has 2 dads/moms does not equate to Homosexuality in a child's mind.

I never did either. However I wonder if part of that was because I never saw "daddy and daddy" parents or "mommy and mommy" parents. I've seen single parents for sure, but their dads always did visit them.

I wonder if by crating the implication of "mommy and mommy" and "Daddy and daddy" if kids will start to think twice about it.

Because either way, I'm not for exposing sexuality to kids at such a young age, regardless of straight or gay

Sure, they might think twice, but still they won't equate sex to it. Kids have little concept of parents, sex, and many other things. When my Neice was younger(6 or 7) she once suggested to me that I Marry her mother. I chuckled, told her I would if I could(Sis in-law is quite fine ), but that her dad might not approve. Had to explain to her that her dad was Married to her Mom and that her Mom could only be Married to one persson at a time.

This controversy only exists because of the perception of older people, not because of trauma experienced by children.
 

cKGunslinger

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Nov 29, 1999
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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: aidanjm

The phrase 'sanitize' implies you think there is something dirty about sex, per se.

My view is that gay kids and heterosexual kids face somewhat different dangers or problems associated with becoming sexually active. E.g., young gay males face greater risk of picking up HIV/ AIDS. They don't have to worry about unwanted pregnancies. It isn't good enough, in my opinion, to offer a sex ed. course that caters only to heterosexuals, and offers no information at all specific to gay kids. It also isn't good enough, imo, to simply promote 'no sex before marriage" and conveniently ignore the fact that many individuals, gay or straight, will become sexually active long before they get married (if indeed they ever marry).
Tell me how do they handle this in Oz?
First, the Cowardly Lion and Tin Man would gather up a bunch of the Munchkins...
 

spunkz

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Originally posted by: Moonbeam

There is no evidence that I am aware showing that being offended by homosexuality is genetic. If 95% of the people are bigots all the more reason to change.

Bigotry is an evil and it is the moral duty of every person to eliminate it. This is best done by freeing children from the delusions of the past. But bigots crave company and the company of their children. Bigotry runs very very deep. It is self hate that masks itself as hate for the other. But while there may be benefits from a social stigma against intolerance, bigotry can't be defeated by hate. That is why it is important to remember that the bigot has a disease and is not responsible for it. He can see his bigotry and overcome it best if he is loved, because it is only love that heals self hate. This urge to ban Zendari is one that I don't understand. It's a rare bigot that stands forth and tells you he is proud to be one. The task at hand is to heal, not ban. Zendari has an irrational belief that Gay is evil, but he cannot prove that case without going to an old bigoted text like the Bible. His case is as absurd as the Hindu case against the Untouchable. It is nothing but irrational hate and fear and a form of mental illness. When did we start hating the sick? Hate the evil it does if you have to hate. Hate that Gays die dragged behind the cars of the sickest bigots. It is the same disease evenly more openly expressed. Most good people are ashamed of themselves when they see what their bigotry does to the victims we manufacture in this world. It is only in certainty that men kill. And the thing about bigotry is it's certain. George Wallace later in life asked forgiveness of the girl become woman he tried to keep out of a white school.

Humanity will awake from its Millennia sleep in bigotry and superstition or will kill itself over lies.

who decided that bigotry was evil? where do you get off pushing your morality on him?
 

outriding

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Originally posted by: rockyct
Originally posted by: outriding
Ok I have a question for the anti gay people here...

Do you know what the percentage of being gay when ....

You are an identical twin is gay?
or Your faternal twin is gay?

I will post the answer and my source later tonight.

50%
6%

I'm a liberal and also a strong Christian, but I'm not anti-gay. I think the saddest thing is the situation with gay people in the church. There are a lot of them, but I think the church pretends like they don't exist. It's a huge struggle for them because they feel like they can't talk about it with people who believe homosexuality is just in their head. I've had some really deep conversations with a couple gay Christians once they found out I wasn't going to tell them to pray about becoming straight.

I am taking a biological psych class and they came up with..

50 and 25

The church can be a bunch of hypocrites..

In the 60's/70's the church had a bunch of stock in a company that was making the birth control pill... well they were telling people to boycott it... Talk about shooting yourself in the foot..

 

JustAnAverageGuy

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Originally posted by: Future Shock
I can't answer those two questions - but I DO know that 10% of the human population is "gay" or homosexual. This statistic is invariate across populaitions, educational systems, cultures, religions, and time periods.

The actual numbers are quite a bit lower than that.

2-3% for men and 3-4% for women.
 

alchemize

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Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Originally posted by: zendari
I guess its time to consider homeschooling where kids can get a solid eduation instead of being recruited for this perverse behavior. Gotta get em while they're young I suppose.
Yeah, turn 'em into little bigots while their innocent little minds can be easily molded. Home school them until they're rocking back and forth while reciting bible verses from memory. Sounds more like Pakistan than the U.S., but hey I'm sure that's what you'd prefer.

I've always been confused by the "liberal" viewpoint on homeschooling.
 

zendari

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Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Originally posted by: zendari
I guess its time to consider homeschooling where kids can get a solid eduation instead of being recruited for this perverse behavior. Gotta get em while they're young I suppose.
Yeah, turn 'em into little bigots while their innocent little minds can be easily molded. Home school them until they're rocking back and forth while reciting bible verses from memory. Sounds more like Pakistan than the U.S., but hey I'm sure that's what you'd prefer.

That's exactly what the left is trying to do: intrude on someone else's rights, beliefs and freedoms. When did Mr. Parker say anything about anyone else's child?
 

Strk

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Originally posted by: zendari
Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Originally posted by: zendari
I guess its time to consider homeschooling where kids can get a solid eduation instead of being recruited for this perverse behavior. Gotta get em while they're young I suppose.
Yeah, turn 'em into little bigots while their innocent little minds can be easily molded. Home school them until they're rocking back and forth while reciting bible verses from memory. Sounds more like Pakistan than the U.S., but hey I'm sure that's what you'd prefer.

That's exactly what the left is trying to do: intrude on someone else's rights, beliefs and freedoms. When did Mr. Parker say anything about anyone else's child?

As opposed to telling schools they can't teach evolution and/or must teach creationism or intelligent design?
 

TheSlamma

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Originally posted by: zendari
Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Originally posted by: zendari
I guess its time to consider homeschooling where kids can get a solid eduation instead of being recruited for this perverse behavior. Gotta get em while they're young I suppose.
Yeah, turn 'em into little bigots while their innocent little minds can be easily molded. Home school them until they're rocking back and forth while reciting bible verses from memory. Sounds more like Pakistan than the U.S., but hey I'm sure that's what you'd prefer.

That's exactly what the left is trying to do: intrude on someone else's rights, beliefs and freedoms. When did Mr. Parker say anything about anyone else's child?

LOL, only you would miss the fact that the right is the one with all the "Beliefs" and "Faith" that is being forced on others.
 

zendari

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Originally posted by: Strk
Originally posted by: zendari

That's exactly what the left is trying to do: intrude on someone else's rights, beliefs and freedoms. When did Mr. Parker say anything about anyone else's child?

As opposed to telling schools they can't teach evolution and/or must teach creationism or intelligent design?

You can pull your child out of ID if it bothers you so much.

LOL, only you would miss the fact that the right is the one with all the "Beliefs" and "Faith" that is being forced on others.
Homosexuality being "normal" or "acceptable" is a belief.
 

Strk

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Originally posted by: zendari
Originally posted by: Strk
Originally posted by: zendari

That's exactly what the left is trying to do: intrude on someone else's rights, beliefs and freedoms. When did Mr. Parker say anything about anyone else's child?

As opposed to telling schools they can't teach evolution and/or must teach creationism or intelligent design?

You can pull your child out of ID if it bothers you so much.

You can do the same if homosexuality bothers you so much.

Oh, and one violates the constitution, while the other one doesn't.
 

zendari

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Originally posted by: Strk
Originally posted by: zendari

You can pull your child out of ID if it bothers you so much.

You can do the same if homosexuality bothers you so much.

Oh, and one violates the constitution, while the other one doesn't.

Read the original article. The Parkers asked for their kid to be pulled from homosexual content.
 

TheSlamma

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Originally posted by: zendari
Originally posted by: Strk
Originally posted by: zendari

That's exactly what the left is trying to do: intrude on someone else's rights, beliefs and freedoms. When did Mr. Parker say anything about anyone else's child?

As opposed to telling schools they can't teach evolution and/or must teach creationism or intelligent design?

You can pull your child out of ID if it bothers you so much.

LOL, only you would miss the fact that the right is the one with all the "Beliefs" and "Faith" that is being forced on others.
Homosexuality being "normal" or "acceptable" is a belief.
Wanting them being left alone is one thing, going out of the way to amend the constitution to RESTRICT RIGHTS is forcing a belief.

Checkmate
 
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