Liberated Iraq calls on Arab states to use oil as 'weapon' against U.S.

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Nintendesert

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AWWWWW too bad we're going to soon become the biggest oil supplier on the planet. Fuck them. We already export record amounts of refined oil, and with Canada and Mexico right next to us, let them try this shit. The ones that buy their crap are Europeans and they know it.
 

Darwin333

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http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/1...-arab-states-to-use-oil-as-weapon-against-us/

Liberated Iraq calls on Arab states to use oil as 'weapon' against U.S.

A top Iraqi diplomat urged Arab states to “use the weapon of oil” against the United States because of its alliance with Israel, raising more questions about the Middle Eastern nation's allegiance to the nation that freed it from a ruthless dictatorship.

The shocking statement from a democratic government in power only after the U.S. and allies ousted murderous dictator Saddam Hussein in a costly and bloody war laid bare the Middle Eastern nation’s true allegiance.

"Iraq will invite (Arab) ministers to use the weapon of oil, with the aim of asserting real pressure on the United States and whoever stands with Israel," Qais al-Azzawy told reporters in Cairo on Friday.

"The economic weapon is the strongest one to be put into effect now, to assure of standing by the Palestinian people, in light of there being no military power that can stand in the face of Israel at the present time,” he added.



Pretty wild that I posted a Fox News story, isn't it?

I would just like to say, thanks, Bush!

Yet your side thinks its a better idea to have our military assdeep in the middle east instead of drilling our own oil. We could be well on our way to a point in which they could not use oil as a weapon but nope, the left evidently loves spending a fuckton of money to keep a huge military presence in the region instead. Why do you think we back Israel so much? If it wasn't for the fact that losing our ME oil supply would throw us into an immediate depression we wouldn't give two shits about the ME.

So, umm, thanks Democrats.

PS: What do you have against a free people making their own decisions? Correct me if I am wrong, but don't you think we should be helping Palestine out? They probably won't like us much either....
 

Darwin333

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AWWWWW too bad we're going to soon become the biggest oil supplier on the planet. Fuck them. We already export record amounts of refined oil, and with Canada and Mexico right next to us, let them try this shit. The ones that buy their crap are Europeans and they know it.

LOL! You are truly clueless on this subject. Do you even know why we export refined product, especially to Mexico??? Of course you don't....
 

Darwin333

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The U.S buys very little oil from the Middle East. Incidentally, if the Arabs don't sell oil, what else can they sell? Last time I check, extremism doesn't buy bread.

If by "very little" you mean around 20% of our imported oil or a bit south of a billion barrels a year, you would be correct. The problem is we simply can not replace that supply at this point in time. If we got our heads out of our asses we could increase domestic production enough to where we could tell them to go fuck themselves.
 

DucatiMonster696

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Their pissing into the wind.

They raise prices and then Russia, Canada, etc all under cut them.

They over supply the market and crash prices we the US consumer reap the rewards while other players pull back on their production.

OPEC's power is only relevant when everyone is on board and that rarely happens in the politically unstable Middle-East (e.g. the Saudi's would never truly cooperate with an Iran friendly Iraq..lolololol) let alone with non-Arab oil producing nations.

In addition hybrid powered vehicles (natural gas powered gas alone could easily replace gasoline powered cars) are the future and the amount of gasoline itself as fuel for vehicles in the US has historically been on a steady declining due to technological advances with engine tech, new composite light weight materials, etc all of which have helped to significantly increase our mpg and decrease our fuel usage. This is why so called "experts" have been so wrong about the world running out of oil every time they call out their siren call of doomsday with their predictions. This isn't even taking into account new drilling technology that makes access to harder to reach oil more economical as the price of gas climbs. In fact its one of the reasons why the US is now back in the oil exporting game after being out of it for so long.

As for those calling for "nationalization" well that is a moronic knee-jerk reaction to the original stupid comment from that single Iraqi official.
 
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Uhtrinity

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As for those calling for "nationalization" well that is a moronic knee-jerk reaction to the original stupid comment from that single Iraqi official.

No, nationalization is in response to those who say we can drill our way to energy independence. That can never happen under the current system. We need to use our product here and keep it separate from the world market so we can be oil Independent. Until that happens the oil companies will continue to reap record profits at our expense.
 

Darwin333

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No, nationalization is in response to those who say we can drill our way to energy independence. That can never happen under the current system. We need to use our product here and keep it separate from the world market so we can be oil Independent. Until that happens the oil companies will continue to reap record profits at our expense.

Why would an oil company pay to ship crude oil from the US to anywhere else and get the same price for it?
 

OCGuy

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Werent they able to produce plastics from corn plants a couple years back? Only reason its not in wide use is because its cheaper to use oil for now, but who knows in the future when oil is more scarce.

What would be your guess as to how Corn is planted, harvested, refined and transported?


Biofuel is a scam because you need oil to bring it to the market.
 

monovillage

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Oil is an internationally traded commodity. Regardless of from where we retrieve our crude, it is still dictated by international forces and OPEC.

"Energy Independence" is a pipe dream that serves to get the sheep all riled up.

Now, if you want true energy independence, you have to talk nuclear, wind, solar, hydroelectric, etc. Oil needs to be a distant memory because it is truly finite. I know that can't happen now, of course--yet another pipe dream--but it will have to.

Wow, a peak oil guy, I thought they were extinct.
 

OCGuy

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If by "very little" you mean around 20% of our imported oil or a bit south of a billion barrels a year, you would be correct. The problem is we simply can not replace that supply at this point in time. If we got our heads out of our asses we could increase domestic production enough to where we could tell them to go fuck themselves.

Apparently you haven't been keeping up. We are going to become the worlds largest oil producer again in the next few years.

We are in the middle of a fossil fuel resurgence because of fracking.

Peak oil alarmists have been put back to bed for another 30+ years.

http://www.seattlepi.com/business/e...ng-Saudis-as-biggest-oil-producer-4029555.php
 

Darwin333

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Apparently you haven't been keeping up. We are going to become the worlds largest oil producer again in the next few years.

That is irrelevant to the conversation as we are talking about oil we currently, and will continue, importing. I posted approximate, but close, numbers of what we currently and will continue importing from the ME. If you have data to disprove that I would very much like to see it.

We are in the middle of a fossil fuel resurgence because of fracking.

Since we mostly use nat. gas for electricity and mostly use oil for gasoline, diesel, jet fuel, and other petrochemicals I don't really see what your point is...... Nat Gas and oil serve very different roles in our country and we don't import much nat gas from Saudi, oil on the other hand......
Peak oil alarmists have been put back to bed for another 30+ years.

http://www.seattlepi.com/business/e...ng-Saudis-as-biggest-oil-producer-4029555.php

I am not talking about peak oil. I am strictly talking about our current oil supply, nothing more and nothing less.
 
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This isn't the Iraqi government speaking. This guy is an envoy to the Arab League who happens to be an Iraqi. Normally the OP would be bent out of shape by a msileading article from Fox News but somehow he has no such compunction when the article suits his agenda.
 

wuliheron

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LOL, it's not about energy independence at all. This is the American empire with virtually every economy in the world now based on the dollar, the US military equal to the next six largest combined, and the international conglomerates taking everyone to the cleaners.

The provinces are simply getting restless. Occupy protested in over a 1,000 cities worldwide, Egypt overthrew the puppet dictator we installed, Libya had a civil war, Syria has a revolution, and now Israel is taking the opportunity to cut back Hamas like the weeds they consider them to be. By the time Opec can finally get it's crap together to respond Israel will be done with their gardening.
 

Nebor

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This isn't the Iraqi government speaking. This guy is an envoy to the Arab League who happens to be an Iraqi. Normally the OP would be bent out of shape by a msileading article from Fox News but somehow he has no such compunction when the article suits his agenda.

Oh snap. :thumbsup:
 

OCGuy

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I am not talking about peak oil. I am strictly talking about our current oil supply, nothing more and nothing less.


In that case you still don't know what you are talking about. We pump enough oil to supply ourselves, we are a net exporter. The problem is we allow investors and speculators to export oil for cheaper than they charge for imported oil. If we went strictly domestic (North American) oil, we wouldn't need a drop from the ME.

The fracking boon has just shifted the landscape....it is a techonoligical achievement.
 
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