Libertarians.....what do you think???

slipperyslope

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I was just browsing their homepage and looking at their views and I agree with 95% of what they have to say.

They make sense. I think I might end up voting Libertarian. They only reason I don't want to vote that way is because I REALLY don't want Gore in office.

I just feel that if I vote for Bush then I am just lying to myself because I don't want Bush in office. I just would rather have Bush over Gore. They are both bad choices.

I just wish Libertarians were a larger 3rd party. I have always been Republican but I just have trouble voting for Bush when I don't think he can do a good job.

Jim
 

Ulfwald

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vote Libertarian, the more who do, the more likely it is that we will build a larger 3rd party. I am libertarian.
 

Ferocious

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The whole scope (or wishlist) of that party describes a kind of USA we already had at one time. The USA prior to the 1930's.

Where government size was very very small. Capitalism was near it's purest form.(in 1900...nearly 90% of Americans worked for themselves.) There were hardly any gun laws anywhere for any reason. Taxes were very low.

Sounds good, doesn't it? Yes, on paper it does. But what happened?

Read (and understand) up on that time period, and perhaps you'll come to understand how the middle class came to be and prosper in the 20th century.
 

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Same boat here. I really do not like either of the candidates that stand a chance, but the libertarian party really represents most of my ideas.

I figure I'll give them my vote just to show support to set them up better for the next election.
 

BoberFett

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<< perhaps you'll come to understand how the middle class came to be and prosper in the 20th century >>

Hint: It has to do with stealing money from those who rightfully earned it in the form of taxes.
 

KingHam

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I believe that there are now 12 million people who are registered Libertarian. With a good showing in the Presidential Election that number can only increase. Cato Institute

KingHam
 

denali

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Vote for Harry if you think he is the best canidate regardless of how much chance you think he has too win. This will be the forth presidential election that I'll be voting for someone other than a Republican or a Democrat. If you can be true to your self than who can you be true to.

One of the great pleasures I get a seeing the election results is that over 90% of the time I'm on the loosing side. I always vote against anything that takes money from the peoples pocket or expands government. Until more people start being true to themselves this will continue to happen.

How many times have you heard that this 1/4% tax will only be collected for 5 years then in 5 years the want another 1/4% tax to replace the one that expires. I have never seen my local taxes go down only up. many times I have voted against things that would benifit me because they would take money from everyones pocket.
 

slipperyslope

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But GORE IS THE ANTICHRIST!!!! Just kidding but DAMN HE SUCKS A BIG one and I would hate for Bush to lose to that jackass. His playing with paper and sighing in the first debate just throw me over the edge. He acted like a f-ing two year old. I would just about have anyone else that isn't a democrat be elected over Gore.

I think I will vote Libertarian just because I know that Bush will win South Carolina(just like every decent republican can). So I figure that I will just be voicing my disappoval of both
parties.

Jim
 

Wangel

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I agree. I am also libertarian, but I don't want Gore too. I feel if I vote libertarian, that my vote will be wasted and Gore might get in. I believe that Bush is the lesser of the two evils. Definately a difficult decision.
 

Yo Ma Ma

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I am voting Libertarian this election. I used to give in to the &quot;lesser of two evils&quot; and &quot;you're throwing away your vote&quot; arguments, but they aren't completely valid. In the long run if people will vote for who represents them the best and not give in to the &quot;lesser of two evils&quot; I think there is a lot of hope for the country.
 

jaydee

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Vote Libertarian, the only wasted vote is the one you don't cast! Gotta go with Harry.
 

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I would prefer Harry, but am voting for Bush to keep Gore out. This election is the closest its been in a long time, and Bush will need every vote he can get to keep Gore out of office.
I have no shame.

The solution to getting a Libertarian candidate elected is not &quot;let's all vote, and maybe in 50 years we'll get 5% of the vote!&quot; -- the solution is lobbying for a preferential voting system where 3rd party candidates have a significantly better chance.

Getting something like that passed, however, is extremely difficult considering both parties would like to keep the current 2 party dominance. Sucks
 

Stealth1024

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Would you rather be dependent on the government for your daily needs or independent? Do you want them spending your money for you? How about raising your kids? Dictating how you spend your time?

Vote Bush/Cheney!
 

BoberFett

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You're kidding right Stealth? Voting for one of the big two parties will get you those things. The only way to regain control of your life is to vote libertarian.
 

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Uhh...If I'm not mistaken, Bush wants to impose fedaral standards on education based on what some politician finds historically important.

If you ask me, that's a little too far of a step into a child's education.
 

FrontlineWarrior

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Libertarians are cold uncaring people that are only concerned with being able to smoke pot without getting arrested. They will provide no one with support and let living conditions drop for poor families because that means they can have more money to buy their weed.

Most libertarians tend to be intelligent people with good jobs that pay pretty well. This is exactly why they support policies that don't give a damn about less intelligent people with jobs that aren't as good. In other words, they got the goods, and they don't want to share. Uncompassionate and un-American. Put yourself in a disadvantaged situation and look at the Libertarian policies. That should scare you straight.

Of course, I could be wrong.
 

jaydee

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Dirf, move to communist Cuba, and quit your freakin' whining.

You can pay all the taxes you want on the failed War on Drugs, but it won't make a freakin difference. Look at alcohol prohibition. Same boat. It doesn't work, the sooner its gone, the better off we are. All your doing is making drug lords, who are good enough to not get caught, richer. Let people grow it freely, make a higher supply, and it will be cheaper. If its dirt cheap, like it would be in a true capitalist economy, then you take the profits out drugs. So, if your for mafia's and black markets, go ahead, give your hard earned money to a failed government program, and tell all your kids, and grandkids, how your money help put away thousands of harmless drugies, ignore the fact that rapists and child molestors are getting plea bargains, to make room for a drug addict who's never hurt anyone. Go ahead and tell 'em, I'm sure it will make YOU feel better and that's what counts I suppose.
 

Ornery

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What do I think??? They rock! I agree with them on about 90% of their platform. Thing is, the GOP is in close alignment with theirs. The Dems are nearly opposite. That's what I think and that's what's fact. Guess who I'll vote for
 

FrontlineWarrior

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The part of my post about drugs was in jest. I'm quite ambivalent about the war on drugs. I think marijuana is no worse than alcohol or cigarettes.

On the other hand, I was pretty serious about libertarian indifference. Libertarian laws would widen the gap between the upper and lower class, while at the same time not helping the lower class. So they would create more people with low pay and no support. Nice plan... if you're not affected.

One of the fallacies of the minimum wage plan is that they think owners will pass on the savings from deregulation and lower/no taxes to the consumer and the workers. While I see competition bringing down the cost to consumers a bit, it doesn't make sense that owners would pass on the savings to minimum wage workers. Minimum wage workers work for the minimum for a reason: they are very replaceable. This is will drive the wages down because of competition to the point that workers will no longer be able to support themselves. Oh yeah, and guess what, the government won't help you out either.

Now, put yourself in a position where you are affected in this manner. Cuba isn't looking so bad now is it?
 

jaydee

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What 'Libertarian laws' are you talking about? The one where income tax is abolished, so lower income and middle class aren't paying a dime to the federal gov't? Or the one where Social Security is taken away so you can spend your money freely, instead of going to the gov't so you will get it back with extremely low interest? Is it just the plain fact that, Americans will now have no one to blame for not getting a job now? Or perhaps, that rich guys will not have to support street bums who are too lazy to find work? Please explain, I'm very interested.
 

jaydee

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Tuesday's presidential debate contained a lot of words, a lot of repetition, and a lot of disputes over the candidates' proposals. But many important questions were never raised.

Here are the top 10 questions that were never brought up:

10. Mr. Gore, you said you believe fully in a woman's right to choose. Does this mean a woman has a right to choose to get out of the Social Security system -- or to choose to smoke marijuana to relieve the pain of glaucoma or chemotherapy? Or is abortion the only area in which a woman has the right to choose what she wants?

9. Mr. Bush, you said you believe in the strict construction of the Constitution. Where in the Constitution does it give you the authority to spend my money on federal education programs, to take my money and give it to charities of your choice, or to set up a prescription-drug program for seniors?

8. Mr. Gore, you said you believe the Constitution contains a right to privacy. Does that mean you'll stop Treasury agents from searching our bank accounts, looking for suspicious transactions? Will you end all federal asset forfeiture, stop monitoring e-mails, and take that ridiculous V-chip out of our TV sets?

7. Mr. Bush, you said you want to give taxpayer money to children to attend private schools. Won't that mean federal regulation of private schools -- turning them into clones of the government schools? Or are you planning to issue the vouchers without any rules whatsoever?

6. Mr. Gore, when asked about the fund-raising scandals, you said you won't answer such questions because they are &quot;personal attacks.&quot; Does this mean you should never be held personally accountable for anything you do in office?

5. Mr. Bush, you said you believe in local control of education. Why then are you pushing for mandatory testing and other policies to be imposed by the federal government?

4. Mr. Gore, since the introduction of Medicare, the cost of health care to seniors has more than doubled, even after allowing for inflation. Why do you want to extend this failed program to prescription drugs -- which would probably cause their prices to rise and their availability to shrink, and discourage the development of new drugs that might cure cancer or Alzheimer's Disease?

3. Mr. Bush, you haven't proposed the elimination or reduction of a single government program, regulation, or law. So why do you refer to yourself as the candidate of smaller government?

2. Mr. Gore and Mr. Bush, you each keep referring to budget surpluses. But the official federal debt continues to grow month by month, year by year. This is because the &quot;surplus&quot; exists only by borrowing the excess Social Security receipts and using them to paper over the deficit in the general fund. So how can you promise to &quot;save&quot; Social Security when you're spending all its receipts and leaving nothing in the trust fund? And how can you promise to use the &quot;surplus&quot; for tax cuts, debt reduction, and new spending programs when there is no surplus?

And the #1 question that wasn't asked in the presidential debate is ...

1. Mr. Bush and Mr. Gore, would either of you be a better person today if, for your youthful drug use, you had served 10 years in prison? If not, why don't you propose to release the hundreds of thousands of non-violent drug offenders in federal prisons?



 
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