Libya: U.N. Security Council to support action short of invasion

[Nintendesert]

That's because the rebels have been wiped out by qaddafi's mercenaries. There is no way to remove him now.

I say get some good intel, find out where he and son are hiding... send in an F117 with a bunker buster and be done with it.

We'd have to take the F-117 out of mothballs in order to do that.

 

[wuliheron]

so do you hate America or are you just a troll?

Inquiring minds want to know.

I hate people misrepresenting America. We're no saints and anyone who acts like we are is either a fool or a lier.

 

[wuliheron]

Awww, so you "care" about Libyan civilians, how cute.

Will you "care" about Libyans as much as you "care" about Afghani civilians for the 10+ years? Even Soviets didn't "care" that much.

They're all a bunch of ignorant savages who don't like each other much less the US. So, yeah, its one big love fest. Once the oil starts coming out of Libya again we'll love them even more.

 

[Rebel44]

We'd have to take the F-117 out of mothballs in order to do that.

B2 using MOP (bunker busting version of MOAB) would easily take care of current problems in Libya.

 

[matt0611]

If we were gonna do this we should have done this weeks ago.

But its still a bad idea. We should not be getting involved in this.
Not to mention we can't afford this shit any more.

 

[bfdd]

I hate people misrepresenting America. We're no saints and anyone who acts like we are is either a fool or a lier.

What's your point? No one is a fucking saint, not a single country that exists today. Being a "lesser" of the "evils" is ok by me when everyone is "evil".

 

[wuliheron]

What's your point? No one is a fucking saint, not a single country that exists today. Being a "lesser" of the "evils" is ok by me when everyone is "evil".

Personally being slightly less evil then the next serial killer doesn't do it for me. I know, I know, call me crazy but it just feels wrong. I'd like to think America actually stands for something more then that. We may not be saints, but I think deep down there's at least a little more to us then just the lesser of evils.

 

[bfdd]

Personally being slightly less evil then the next serial killer doesn't do it for me. I know, I know, call me crazy but it just feels wrong. I'd like to think America actually stands for something more then that. We may not be saints, but I think deep down there's at least a little more to us then just the lesser of evils.

I'm saying EVERY country is "evil" and we are one of the "lesser evils". Sure talk shit about all the bad things the USA has done. No problem. We weren't the first ones to do them though. Not by a long shot, nor were we even the worst by any stretch. I don't have much of a problem with you as a poster, but you're constantly attacking the USA even when it's not brought up. You see an American post something about another country, you immediately retort with something dumb the USA did as a nation to some how make the USA seem worse or just as bad.

You are a hater, it's chill I don't have a problem with it, just don't fucking deny it.

 

[Throckmorton]

The prime directive allows you to assist when you're asked for help. The UN should have intervened when it became clear Qgkhhahhddhaffhi was going to stay in power by any means necessary.

 

[matt0611]

The prime directive allows you to assist when you're asked for help. The UN should have intervened when it became clear Qgkhhahhddhaffhi was going to stay in power by any means necessary.

I thought the prime directive disallowed the enterprise from getting involved with pre-warp civilizations? :sneaky:

 

[wuliheron]

I'm saying EVERY country is "evil" and we are one of the "lesser evils". Sure talk shit about all the bad things the USA has done. No problem. We weren't the first ones to do them though. Not by a long shot, nor were we even the worst by any stretch. I don't have much of a problem with you as a poster, but you're constantly attacking the USA even when it's not brought up. You see an American post something about another country, you immediately retort with something dumb the USA did as a nation to some how make the USA seem worse or just as bad.

You are a hater, it's chill I don't have a problem with it, just don't fucking deny it.

The moment I become perfectly humble I want the whole world to know.

There, satisfied?

 

[Throckmorton]

I thought the prime directive disallowed the enterprise from getting involved with pre-warp civilizations? :sneaky:

It also says you can't get involved with warp civs unless the ask for help

 

[Generator]

The right wing doesn't have the aptitude for this new Middle East. To emotional, to delirious. Thank god we got the cool calculation of President Obama. Its funny though, I thought Obama would be a great domestic president. Turns out he may be the finest war president we've had since FDR.

Take note Republicans, instead of losing a war for 10 years you could overthrow a government in 10 days.

 

[JSt0rm]

Take note Republicans, instead of losing a war for 10 years you could overthrow a government in 10 days.

They wont learn shit.

 

[DucatiMonster696]

The prime directive allows you to assist when you're asked for help. The UN should have intervened when it became clear Qgkhhahhddhaffhi was going to stay in power by any means necessary.

The UN is nothing but bullshit without US military and financial support leading the way. Why are you so surprise at their ineptitude in these types of scenarios?

 

[Nebor]

We shouldn't be involved, and it's too late. How long will we maintain a no-fly zone over a Gadafi ruled Libya?

 

[drinkmorejava]

This thread pains me.

*The F117 has been decommissioned
*The MOP is not a version of the MOAB and there are likely no targets in Libya that could warrant using either
*There will be no B2s and probably no F22s. They're entirely too expensive to risk getting shot down...you don't use a billion dollar aircraft to kill a shitty third world dictator

 

[JSt0rm]

This thread pains me.

*The F117 has been decommissioned
*The MOP is not a version of the MOAB and there are likely no targets in Libya that could warrant using either
*There will be no B2s and probably no F22s. They're entirely too expensive to risk getting shot down...you don't use a billion dollar aircraft to kill a shitty third world dictator

What?!?! How dare you judge our armchair generals

 

[matt0611]

This thread pains me.

*The F117 has been decommissioned
*The MOP is not a version of the MOAB and there are likely no targets in Libya that could warrant using either
*There will be no B2s and probably no F22s. They're entirely too expensive to risk getting shot down...you don't use a billion dollar aircraft to kill a shitty third world dictator

According to this:
http://www.af.mil/information/factsheets/factsheet.asp?fsID=82

they did use B-2s in Afghanistan and Iraq. FYI

 

[drinkmorejava]

According to this:
http://www.af.mil/information/factsheets/factsheet.asp?fsID=82

they did use B-2s in Afghanistan and Iraq. FYI

I suppose I should have worded it as: you don't use a billion dollar aircraft to kill a shitty third world dictator (unless you have to)

No one in Afghanistan was going to shoot down a B2.

Iraq's air defenses were better and less predictable...f-117s were the only other aircraft that could do the job. They were also worried about SA10/20s in Iraq

We have a number new stand off weapons now that remove the need to send stealth aircraft in close. Look up Small Diameter Bomb (SDB).

 

[wuliheron]

Boys and their toys.

I suspect they won't need anything special this time around and will just use whatever they have on deck.

 

[Pocatello]

Gadhafi doesn't need jet planes to crush the rebels. He has plenty of ground weapons and helicopters to do the job. The rebels wasted much of their ammo punching holes in the sky.

 

[werepossum]

Just goes to show why the USA needs to go isolationist. Obama the Undecider waffles around until the UN gets through dicking with itself to craft a deal whereby NATO provides armed force, with the Arab League "contributing" mostly by selling us high-priced fuel and services. This will of course not happen until the intervention has become pointless. Then China and Russia will reap the profits, either being the ones who delayed the measure until it had no practical possible outcome, or if by some near-miracle the rebels win, by being out of it. (Trust me, not many will forgive the ones who helped them out, and those who might do so will remember the hesitation long after they've forgotten the intervention.)

If the USA decides to act unilaterally, there is only a small chance of it being to our benefit. If the USA decides to wait for the UN before acting, there is virtually no chance of it being to our benefit, plus the nominal benefactors (the rebels) will be massacred and will blame us for hesitating. Either way we'll be resented even more in the Arab and Muslim worlds, if only for having the strength to act.

 

[BoberFett]

The prime directive allows you to assist when you're asked for help. The UN should have intervened when it became clear Qgkhhahhddhaffhi was going to stay in power by any means necessary.

Really? Help who? What if Qaddafi asked for help in eliminating these terrorists?

How about the US stop picking sides, which only ends up getting called nation building by assholes like you. Oh wait, it would only be nation building if a Republican was in the WH. It's Obama, so bombing foreign nations is OK at this particular juncture.

 

[P4man]

Really? Help who? What if Qaddafi asked for help in eliminating these terrorists?

This.
Not too mention the situation in Bahrain where Saudi troops are slaughtering protesters, and that is likely to spill over to Saudi Arabia itself. Are we going to impose no fly zones there too?