Life after oil... interesting read..

[blckgrffn]

Plus - this is something the article never considers - if gas gets that expensive, I will take the bus to work. Pure and simple, public transportation, once embraced here in the US of A will greatly slake our need for gasoline. Also, once we can get semi's to just be short haulers and move back to railways for our primary cargo transportation, we will also need far less oil. It isn't going to be that big of a deal, we just have to realize that here in the US, at some point having your own car and driving just yourself somewhere will be quite the luxury...

Nat

 

[AmdEmAll]

Oil has just hit an all time high

 

[Engineer]

Originally posted by: AmdEmAll
Oil has just hit an all time high

Until tomorrow or the next day. Then next week....

At what point does the cost of oil/gas spur growth in other energy solutions? I've heard that ethanol is economical at $2.00 per gallon but have heard nothing else on the subject (no likely that it could be produced in enough volume to make much difference anyway).

 

[chrisms]

Originally posted by: Engineer

Originally posted by: AmdEmAll
Oil has just hit an all time high

Until tomorrow or the next day. Then next week....

At what point does the cost of oil/gas spur growth in other energy solutions? I've heard that ethanol is economical at $2.00 per gallon but have heard nothing else on the subject (no likely that it could be produced in enough volume to make much difference anyway).

"In 1981, oil prices reached their all time high of $39 (1981 dollars). $39 in 1981 was worth what $94.48 is worth in 2005. So you tell me? which is bigger: $94.48 or $60.00?"

 

[Vic]

We are never going to run out of oil.

 

[meltdown75]

Originally posted by: Vic
We are never going to run out of oil.

You saved the day.

 

[LS20]

Originally posted by: Vic
We are never going to run out of oil.

some farmers have been doing this to lessen their power bills, but it's smallscale. thermal depolymerization itself will never be productive enough to supplant traditional sources

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: LS20

Originally posted by: Vic
We are never going to run out of oil.

some farmers have been doing this to lessen their power bills, but it's smallscale. thermal depolymerization itself will never be productive enough to supplant traditional sources

Why do you say "never"? Did you even read the article? The only setback right now is price and the usual NIMBY "environmental" concerns. Otherwise, this could likely go full-scale anytime, and cost will come down as the technology improves. TDP is the future. When oil finally runs low, we'll be making fuel from our garbage. There is NO other viable alternative, and so that's what we'll do as necessity forces our hand. I look forward to the day, and wish it would come sooner. For one thing, it will free us from foreign oil, and for another, it will be the greatest environmental boon ever (except to environmentalists, whose pessimism knows no bounds).

 

[neonerd]

Still reading...I'm about 3/4 done

We're fscked

 

[LS20]

Originally posted by: Vic

Why do you say "never"? Did you even read the article? The only setback right now is price and the usual NIMBY "environmental" concerns. Otherwise, this could likely go full-scale anytime, and cost will come down as the technology improves. TDP is the future. When oil finally runs low, we'll be making fuel from our garbage. There is NO other viable alternative, and so that's what we'll do as necessity forces our hand. I look forward to the day, and wish it would come sooner. For one thing, it will free us from foreign oil, and for another, it will be the greatest environmental boon ever (except to environmentalists, whose pessimism knows no bounds).

Why I say never? Why do you say no other viable alternative?
An average drillin platform will produce .... 100k barrels of crude oil per day .... for 3 decades. TDP requires 2 tons of garbage to produce ..... 5k barrels of oil. Granted, I don't deal with TDP, the math is obviously not working here

 

[RedPickle]

Scary.

 

[meltdown75]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: LS20

Originally posted by: Vic
We are never going to run out of oil.

some farmers have been doing this to lessen their power bills, but it's smallscale. thermal depolymerization itself will never be productive enough to supplant traditional sources

Why do you say "never"? Did you even read the article? The only setback right now is price and the usual NIMBY "environmental" concerns. Otherwise, this could likely go full-scale anytime, and cost will come down as the technology improves. TDP is the future. When oil finally runs low, we'll be making fuel from our garbage. There is NO other viable alternative, and so that's what we'll do as necessity forces our hand. I look forward to the day, and wish it would come sooner. For one thing, it will free us from foreign oil, and for another, it will be the greatest environmental boon ever (except to environmentalists, whose pessimism knows no bounds).

Wouldn't it be ironic if we were one day mining our landfills? ew

 

[Sixtyfour]

Just make that oil, it's SOLAR POWER.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biodiesel

Imagine that US would not be funding r^gheads anymore, all the money would stay in the US.

 

[Engineer]

Originally posted by: chrisms

Originally posted by: Engineer

Originally posted by: AmdEmAll
Oil has just hit an all time high

Until tomorrow or the next day. Then next week....

At what point does the cost of oil/gas spur growth in other energy solutions? I've heard that ethanol is economical at $2.00 per gallon but have heard nothing else on the subject (no likely that it could be produced in enough volume to make much difference anyway).

"In 1981, oil prices reached their all time high of $39 (1981 dollars). $39 in 1981 was worth what $94.48 is worth in 2005. So you tell me? which is bigger: $94.48 or $60.00?"

Nobody mentioned "inflation adjusted" when we said "all time high". It's at an all time high "dollar wise" (not adjusted for inflation).

I am hopeful, Vic, that you are correct (The Anything Into Oil gives me hope on that point).

 

[cy7878]

Originally posted by: slick230

Originally posted by: notfred
I haven't read it yet, but I can ride my bike to work faster than a lot of people can drive... hopefully I'll survive.

Do you work 50 miles from home?

will your company survive?

 

[cy7878]

Originally posted by: AntisociaL
Ahh, we will all be eradicated by then and Earth will heal itself for the new breed.

Fool. This is to happen within YOUR lifetime.

 

[chrisms]

Originally posted by: Engineer

Originally posted by: chrisms

Originally posted by: Engineer

Originally posted by: AmdEmAll
Oil has just hit an all time high

Until tomorrow or the next day. Then next week....

At what point does the cost of oil/gas spur growth in other energy solutions? I've heard that ethanol is economical at $2.00 per gallon but have heard nothing else on the subject (no likely that it could be produced in enough volume to make much difference anyway).

"In 1981, oil prices reached their all time high of $39 (1981 dollars). $39 in 1981 was worth what $94.48 is worth in 2005. So you tell me? which is bigger: $94.48 or $60.00?"

Nobody mentioned "inflation adjusted" when we said "all time high". It's at an all time high "dollar wise" (not adjusted for inflation).

I am hopeful, Vic, that you are correct (The Anything Into Oil gives me hope on that point).

He said "all time high," which doesn't specify dollar or otherwise. It is true that the dollar price is at an all time high, but that really means nothing because the opportunity cost is still much lower than it has been in the past.

You could say we have hit an all time high in milk price, too, but really the price has just gone up along with everything else due to inflation.

 

[LoverBoyJ]

thats why El Presidente Bush wants to start drilling in Alaska!!

 

[Sixtyfour]

Originally posted by: LoverBoyJ
thats why El Presidente Bush wants to start drilling in Alaska!!

They have been drilling in alaska for decades.

Perhaps you mean in the antarctic ?

 

[treemonkey]

There's no way oil will run out in the next 50 years.

 

[Mojoed]

Originally posted by: treemonkey
There's no way oil will run out in the next 50 years.

Did you read the article? Or the several dozen links provided within the article? Technically, you are probably correct. We won't be 100% out of oil. Realistically we're gonna be faced with extremely LOW supplies to the point where just about no one will be able to afford it. The fear of low supplies will compound the problem. It will affect humanity in nearly all aspects of life.

That is, if humanity is smart enough and we don't all end up panicing and killing each other first.

 

[flexy]

Originally posted by: treemonkey
There's no way oil will run out in the next 50 years.

yes it will. Whether there are a few barrels left somewhere in reserve is
irrelevant.

It will be so rare and expensive that "ran out" is definitly a legitimate descripton.

 

[LS20]

if it'll be so rare and expensive, the demand will curb because we will have alternative sources, and with curbed demands, the price will go down.

wow! isnt economics special

 

[VIAN]

Think about it, without oil, we can't do anything. Say goodbye to the industrial products. We won't be able to make computers, cars, plastic. Nothing. If oil ends, we'll have a mix of medeivel times and the depression.

It will suck badly for our generation. And even if you have money, you will either be killed for it, or it will end quickly anyway.

Too many people work in the industy and unemployment will skyrocket. Things that some people need like drugs and smokes that people can't live without will be unavailable and many people will die.

It seems like Chaos to me. I could describe more implications, but chaos, in it's harshest meaning is what it would be like.

 

[exdeath]

There is an alternative to oil and it is 100% clean, natural, and renewable, and has similar energy as gasoline.

Alcohol.