Life Expectancy of a NFL Player

[Fritzo]

Originally posted by: Farang

Originally posted by: Nocturnal
Is this stemming from that hit on Willis McGhee tonight? I wonder if he's okay?

probably not ok

He seems to be OK:

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/ne...ahee&prov=st&type=lgns

 

[olds]

Originally posted by: Nocturnal
Is this stemming from that hit on Willis McGhee tonight? I wonder if he's okay?

http://nfl.fanhouse.com/tag/WillisMcGahee/

 

[Deeko]

Originally posted by: StinkyPinky

Originally posted by: zinfamous

Originally posted by: Deeko
Yea its disturbing how often you see NFL players dying young. Other sports - particularly rugby - mock football players for wearing so many pads. Even with the pads, it takes a huge toll on the players. Did you know that the passing game evolved back in the early part of the 1900's as a mandate from Teddy Roosevelt, because so many people were dying on the field?

Hrm. Perhaps they should have started with the helmets/pads first?

It's not correct anyway. American Football during the late 19th century was basically just rugby with a few (dangerous) rule tweaks. That was the game Teddy banned. Modern American Football rose from that, but has very little in common with the turn of the 20th century game of American Football.

What's incorrect? He didn't ban anything - he said change the game or you will be banned. The NFL constantly evolved as a sport throughout the century. The forward pass was legal in the early parts of the 1900s, but rarely used - it was considered "impure", and a "weak" way to play the game.

There were a lot of things in the early NFL that made it dangerous. For instance, once a player left the game, he couldn't go back in. They didn't wear pads like they do today. People rarely passed, so the game was in much closer quarters, etc...

 

[Train]

Originally posted by: Zebo
You'll be fine tall bill if you maintain a low resting HR. Start running. 230 would be preferable at that height once you hit 35 but the real key is low HR so it does not expire.

My dad is 70 and 6'3" 220 and was an offensive lineman size when young like 280 - anyway today he is in better shape than most 25 year olds because he has run 7 miles a day since about 45 years old. His buddies are dropping off like flies and he can play vollyball with sexy 21 year olds at beach.

I think he can *still* whoop my ass and he never got that "old mans" drooping skin yet

This.

The problem with being large is that your Heart can't really grow in size. If you add 20% muscle (or fat for that matter) to your body, your heart can't grow accordingly, it just has to work harder to pump blood everywhere. year and years of that will cause a lot of strain.

Either get skinny or stay in awesome cardio shape (or better yet a combo of both) and you should live nice and long.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: shortylickens

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: BarneyFife

Originally posted by: TallBill
Some big fail at math here. If the average age of death of a player that plays 5 years is 55 and the average years played in the NFL is 3.5, then the average age of death of an NFL player is not 55.

Actually we got some big fail at people getting the big picture.

I'm not a photographer.

I am.
And I still dont get the big picture.

If it was so rough they would quit. Obviously they care more about the money and the game.
Live fast, die young.
Or something to that effect.

I think it has more to do with their mentality. When young they could shovel 12,000 calories a day down their gizzard, the more the better, since they would gain size and invariably use all those calories building muscle mass, very important to the game.
Problem is they when do anything close to 12,000 calories while sitting on sofa and metabolism changes, muscle turns flaccid or just disappears, body can no longer use 12,000 cal, so it stores it in fat. Heart has to pump though that fat and recently clogged veins and arteries putting tremendous stress on the heart. Not noticing, because they have heart of horse from years of football, it's too late and catastrophic failure or heart disease occurs.

Also TRAIN hit it with heart does not really grown to maintain obesity it just has to work very hard.

 

[thatguy82]

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: shortylickens

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: BarneyFife

Originally posted by: TallBill
Some big fail at math here. If the average age of death of a player that plays 5 years is 55 and the average years played in the NFL is 3.5, then the average age of death of an NFL player is not 55.

Actually we got some big fail at people getting the big picture.

I'm not a photographer.

I am.
And I still dont get the big picture.

If it was so rough they would quit. Obviously they care more about the money and the game.
Live fast, die young.
Or something to that effect.

I think it has more to do with their mentality. When young they could shovel 12,000 calories a day down their gizzard, the more the better, since they would gain size and invariably use all those calories building muscle mass, very important to the game.
Problem is they when do anything close to 12,000 calories while sitting on sofa and metabolism changes, muscle turns flaccid or just disappears, body can no longer use 12,000 cal, so it stores it in fat. Heart has to pump though that fat and recently clogged veins and arteries putting tremendous stress on the heart. Not noticing, because they have heart of horse from years of football, it's too late and catastrophic failure or heart disease occurs.

Also TRAIN hit it with heart does not really grown to maintain obesity it just has to work very hard.

Plus having your body process 12,000 calories a day, even if you use it, can't be good. There was some study where they halfved rats calories intake and they ended living a good amount longer.

 

[sdifox]

Originally posted by: Slew Foot
Whats the average NFL salary? 500K?

If so, than a player with a 3.5 year career span will earn just under 2 million bucks. Roughly equivalent to a regular working Joe earning 50K over 40 years, but the NFLer get the $$ upfront an can do more with it.

taxes take most of it away.

 

[IHateMyJob2004]

If you need to use drugs to have a career, that is your choice. And they are overpaid.

 

[TallBill]

Originally posted by: Zebo
You'll be fine tall bill if you maintain a low resting HR. Start running. 230 would be preferable at that height once you hit 35 but the real key is low HR so it does not expire.

My dad is 70 and 6'3" 220 and was an offensive lineman size when young like 280 - anyway today he is in better shape than most 25 year olds because he has run 7 miles a day since about 45 years old. His buddies are dropping off like flies and he can play vollyball with sexy 21 year olds at beach.

I think he can *still* whoop my ass and he never got that "old mans" drooping skin yet

Fuck 230, I need to gain more weight My resting heart rate is around 58-62.

 

[Zebo]

I thought you were two five o?


so that would need a loss not a gain to make 230, right? Or am I missing something.

How old are you? HR goes down as you age but that's really good shape for less than about 35.

 

[TallBill]

Originally posted by: Zebo
I thought you were two five o?


so that would need a loss not a gain to make 230, right? Or am I missing something.

How old are you? HR goes down as you age but that's really good shape for less than about 35.

I've been on a 2 year weight gain frenzy. I'm around 250 now and looking to slowly add a little bit more weight in muscle.

I'm 26 years old.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: Zebo
I thought you were two five o?


so that would need a loss not a gain to make 230, right? Or am I missing something.

How old are you? HR goes down as you age but that's really good shape for less than about 35.

I've been on a 2 year weight gain frenzy. I'm around 250 now and looking to slowly add a little bit more weight in muscle.

I'm 26 years old.

Ah I see now. Nothing wrong with that. You're so young it's N/A- it's as you get older fat, sloth, and heart needs attention before it too late.

 

[SsupernovaE]

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: Zebo
I thought you were two five o?


so that would need a loss not a gain to make 230, right? Or am I missing something.

How old are you? HR goes down as you age but that's really good shape for less than about 35.

I've been on a 2 year weight gain frenzy. I'm around 250 now and looking to slowly add a little bit more weight in muscle.

I'm 26 years old.

I remember when you were scrawny. How did you put on so much muscle?

 

[NeoV]

some of you have obviously never even picked up a football, much less played football

There are really two topics here - how much of a toll does playing in the NFL take on a body - and how much of the reason for the very low average life-expectancy comes from performance enhancing drug use? The mid 70's and early 80's were awash with steroids in the NFL, and once steroid testing starting, players shifted to other performance enhancing methods, none of which are exactly recommended to stay fit.

As for the idiot telling former NFL players to 'get out of McDonalds and into the gym' - do you feel better taking out your jealousy behind an internet post? Get a clue - NFL players have spent more time in the gym and no more about keeping in shape than you will ever hope to.

Yes there are some 'fat' NFL linemen, and there are some former NFL players who let themselves get out of shape - but they are the minority, not the majority.

 

[TallBill]

Originally posted by: SsupernovaE

I remember when you were scrawny. How did you put on so much muscle?

A lot of lifting and eating for the last 2 years. I weighed 210 when I went to Iraq. I was down to 197 when I decided to take control and now I'm at 250. 275 is my long term goal now.

I'd absolutely love to show up to my first army active duty post as a "new" lieutenant in 3 years at 6'6" 275, wearing my 101st combat patch and some air assault and jump wings.

See how many new guy jokes I'd get.

 

[Chryso]

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: Zebo
I thought you were two five o?


so that would need a loss not a gain to make 230, right? Or am I missing something.

How old are you? HR goes down as you age but that's really good shape for less than about 35.

I've been on a 2 year weight gain frenzy. I'm around 250 now and looking to slowly add a little bit more weight in muscle.

I'm 26 years old.

Have you tried donuts?

 

[Train]

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: SsupernovaE

I remember when you were scrawny. How did you put on so much muscle?

A lot of lifting and eating for the last 2 years. I weighed 210 when I went to Iraq. I was down to 197 when I decided to take control and now I'm at 250. 275 is my long term goal now.

I'd absolutely love to show up to my first army active duty post as a "new" lieutenant in 3 years at 6'6" 275, wearing my 101st combat patch and some air assault and jump wings.

See how many new guy jokes I'd get.

pffft, frikkin butter bar.

lol, I kid, I kid!

 

[TallBill]

Originally posted by: Train


pffft, frikkin butter bar.

lol, I kid, I kid!

Not yet, right now I'm technically a Sergeant on the IRR. In 2 days I start the ROTC paperwork so I guess I'll be cadet Bob soon.

 

[Train]

Originally posted by: NeoV
some of you have obviously never even picked up a football, much less played football

There are really two topics here - how much of a toll does playing in the NFL take on a body - and how much of the reason for the very low average life-expectancy comes from performance enhancing drug use? The mid 70's and early 80's were awash with steroids in the NFL, and once steroid testing starting, players shifted to other performance enhancing methods, none of which are exactly recommended to stay fit.

As for the idiot telling former NFL players to 'get out of McDonalds and into the gym' - do you feel better taking out your jealousy behind an internet post? Get a clue - NFL players have spent more time in the gym and no more about keeping in shape than you will ever hope to.

Yes there are some 'fat' NFL linemen, and there are some former NFL players who let themselves get out of shape - but they are the minority, not the majority.

Oh please, it's not a secret footballers are the least in shape of all the pro sports. Besides mass does not come from time in the gym. Even body builders will tell you too much time in the gym is bad for weight gain. Other than wide outs and corners, its pretty much bigger is better. Having an ass ton of muscle from protien loading and pumping massive amounts of weight doesnt mean your in shape, it just means your heavy and strong.

 

[Train]

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: Train


pffft, frikkin butter bar.

lol, I kid, I kid!

Not yet, right now I'm technically a Sergeant on the IRR. In 2 days I start the ROTC paperwork so I guess I'll be cadet Bob soon.

If the army is the same as the usmc, then cadets get E-5 pay, so no change for you there.

I'm teetering between Reserve and IRR right now, currently on an expired contract. "Free agent" I guess you could say. Just exporing some options til I figure out what to do come spring time.

 

[Chryso]

Originally posted by: Train

Oh please, it's not a secret footballers are the least in shape of all the pro sports.

I think that would be baseball players.

 

[Train]

Originally posted by: Chryso

Originally posted by: Train

Oh please, it's not a secret footballers are the least in shape of all the pro sports.

I think that would be baseball players.

Baseball is still a pro sport? Sorry, stopped paying attention during the '94 strike.

 

[TallBill]

Originally posted by: Chryso

Originally posted by: Train

Oh please, it's not a secret footballers are the least in shape of all the pro sports.

I think that would be baseball players.

You sure? Most non-pitchers are absolutely ripped.

 

[StinkyPinky]

Originally posted by: Deeko

Originally posted by: StinkyPinky

Originally posted by: zinfamous

Originally posted by: Deeko
Yea its disturbing how often you see NFL players dying young. Other sports - particularly rugby - mock football players for wearing so many pads. Even with the pads, it takes a huge toll on the players. Did you know that the passing game evolved back in the early part of the 1900's as a mandate from Teddy Roosevelt, because so many people were dying on the field?

Hrm. Perhaps they should have started with the helmets/pads first?

It's not correct anyway. American Football during the late 19th century was basically just rugby with a few (dangerous) rule tweaks. That was the game Teddy banned. Modern American Football rose from that, but has very little in common with the turn of the 20th century game of American Football.

What's incorrect? He didn't ban anything - he said change the game or you will be banned. The NFL constantly evolved as a sport throughout the century. The forward pass was legal in the early parts of the 1900s, but rarely used - it was considered "impure", and a "weak" way to play the game.

There were a lot of things in the early NFL that made it dangerous. For instance, once a player left the game, he couldn't go back in. They didn't wear pads like they do today. People rarely passed, so the game was in much closer quarters, etc...

Yeah, that's my point. It's nothing like the modern game, it was closer to rugby if anything. To say that the American Football was so dangerous Ted was pushing to ban it is misleading as the game at the time was far more dangerous than the modern version.

I guess I just find it amusing, as I'm a big fan of rugby. And in the rugby forums whenever the two games are compared, they always say Teddy thought rugby was so dangerous he tried to ban it from the US. And here you are saying the exact opposite The reality is that both games were so totally different back then that compared to their modern games they aren't really the same game at all.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: SsupernovaE

I remember when you were scrawny. How did you put on so much muscle?

A lot of lifting and eating for the last 2 years. I weighed 210 when I went to Iraq. I was down to 197 when I decided to take control and now I'm at 250. 275 is my long term goal now.

I'd absolutely love to show up to my first army active duty post as a "new" lieutenant in 3 years at 6'6" 275, wearing my 101st combat patch and some air assault and jump wings.

See how many new guy jokes I'd get.

You're gonna need two chutes, and scare the shit out of jihadis:light: