Life Expectancy of a NFL Player

[rasczak]

Originally posted by: theflyingpig

Originally posted by: rasczak

Originally posted by: theflyingpig

Originally posted by: BarneyFife

Originally posted by: theflyingpig
Those figures are incorrect. I suggest you do more research into this matter.

http://www.nflplayers.com/user...&lmid=349&pid=0&type=l

The average length of an NFL career is about 3 and a half seasons. Although there are some exceptional players who have long careers that extend 10 or twelve seasons and beyond, most players only stay active for about three seasons. Players leave the game because of injury, self-induced retirement, or being cut by the team.

oh

your post whoring is getting old pig.

I have 900 posts, you have 3 thousand. Who is the post whore? You, you are the post whore. Stop hating on me.

I have 3000 over the course of 4 years. You OTOT have a nearly a third of my count in 10 months, with probably a third of that posting the word "oh".

Who's the post whore now?

 

[rasczak]

Originally posted by: Deeko

Originally posted by: TallBill
Some big fail at math here. If the average age of death of a player that plays 5 years is 55 and the average years played in the NFL is 3.5, then the average age of death of an NFL player is not 55.

Regardless of what the exact numbers are - its still off putting that football puts that much of a toll on a players' body. I assume you're not saying its ok that if someone makes a career out of the NFL, they die in middle age?

Things is, they get paid extremely well to do what they do to their bodies. If this thread were more a out military vets living a life expectancy of 55 after serving 3.5 years, then I would be more troubled, because for the most part, our military gets paid in rice (bad joke, but you get the point I hope).

 

[rasczak]

Originally posted by: Pacfanweb

Originally posted by: chuckywang
It could be the steroids

This is the answer.

You can't be 350lbs of muscle without steroids. No way. Might be an occasional physical freak of nature that can do it....everyone else is on 'roids.

Think about it: 20 years ago, a 6'4", 275lb lineman was BIG. Now that same 6'4" guy is 325-360 all through the league.

Does anyone REALLY think that people are just that much bigger? Hell, no. And don't tell me it's the modern training techniques....that's a bunch of bullshit. Lifting weights is lifting weights. Same as it was 20-30 years ago.

Only difference is the performance enhancers. Steroids, HGH, etc.


I have a friend who played in the NFL for about 7 years, an offensive lineman. Played in the ACC in college.

He was about 240lbs in college. 6'3". When I was in HS and he was in college, he was considered a BIG dude. He was a bit bigger in the NFL, then during his last couple of years, the coach told him he wanted him to be up around 275lbs. Steroids was how he did it.
Dude is now about 225-230. I'm bigger than he is. But he was a giant back then.

If he came through the college and pro ranks now, he'd easily top 300 with the performance enhancers available these days.

While I think this maybe true, you gotta remember where most of these figures are coming form. Most of the NFL players dying were the players of yesteryear who didn't have the kind of protection that is out there now on the field. They wore crappy plastic helmets. This alone could result in the kinds of traumatic brain injuries we're seeing in the older generation. I say wait 30 years on this conversation and see what happens to today's NFL player and see if the number stay the same.

 

[Deeko]

Originally posted by: rasczak

Originally posted by: Deeko

Originally posted by: TallBill
Some big fail at math here. If the average age of death of a player that plays 5 years is 55 and the average years played in the NFL is 3.5, then the average age of death of an NFL player is not 55.

Regardless of what the exact numbers are - its still off putting that football puts that much of a toll on a players' body. I assume you're not saying its ok that if someone makes a career out of the NFL, they die in middle age?

Things is, they get paid extremely well to do what they do to their bodies. If this thread were more a out military vets living a life expectancy of 55 after serving 3.5 years, then I would be more troubled, because for the most part, our military gets paid in rice (bad joke, but you get the point I hope).

Yes I see your point, and you're right, they do get paid very well. As I said earlier, what I don't like is that there are steps that can be taken to at least make it better - such as anti-concussion helmets and better health care options for retired players...and these steps aren't taken.

 

[Insomniator]

Originally posted by: Deeko

Originally posted by: rasczak

Originally posted by: Deeko

Originally posted by: TallBill
Some big fail at math here. If the average age of death of a player that plays 5 years is 55 and the average years played in the NFL is 3.5, then the average age of death of an NFL player is not 55.

Regardless of what the exact numbers are - its still off putting that football puts that much of a toll on a players' body. I assume you're not saying its ok that if someone makes a career out of the NFL, they die in middle age?

Things is, they get paid extremely well to do what they do to their bodies. If this thread were more a out military vets living a life expectancy of 55 after serving 3.5 years, then I would be more troubled, because for the most part, our military gets paid in rice (bad joke, but you get the point I hope).

Yes I see your point, and you're right, they do get paid very well. As I said earlier, what I don't like is that there are steps that can be taken to at least make it better - such as anti-concussion helmets and better health care options for retired players...and these steps aren't taken.

I don't understand why health care options are needed when the average salary is 500k. Ok, maybe the players from 20 years ago need options, but players today should be on their own.

 

[rasczak]

Originally posted by: Deeko

Originally posted by: rasczak

Originally posted by: Deeko

Originally posted by: TallBill
Some big fail at math here. If the average age of death of a player that plays 5 years is 55 and the average years played in the NFL is 3.5, then the average age of death of an NFL player is not 55.

Regardless of what the exact numbers are - its still off putting that football puts that much of a toll on a players' body. I assume you're not saying its ok that if someone makes a career out of the NFL, they die in middle age?

Things is, they get paid extremely well to do what they do to their bodies. If this thread were more a out military vets living a life expectancy of 55 after serving 3.5 years, then I would be more troubled, because for the most part, our military gets paid in rice (bad joke, but you get the point I hope).

Yes I see your point, and you're right, they do get paid very well. As I said earlier, what I don't like is that there are steps that can be taken to at least make it better - such as anti-concussion helmets and better health care options for retired players...and these steps aren't taken.

I agree completely, however, due to the nature of the game, there will never be anyone one device taht will completely wipe out concussions. However, with regards to the retired players, it's a sucky situation. I honestly think the NFLPA is just holding out until all of the older generational players die off. With the statistics presented I'm pretty sure that will be sonner than later.

 

[NeoV]

"Get a fuckin' Clue Size would kill you in most of those events. Other than a lanky reciever , CB, or saefty, most football players would get killed in simple agility tests like the jumps. "

Train - you are only looking at O-linemen, and a handful of D-linemen, who are what you call 'out of shape'

If you don't think NFL players are 'agile', you have no knowledge of the sport, how they train, or how athletic they are. I'll say for the last time - I'd take ANY NFL DB, WR, RB, LB, TE - and quite a few DE's - and they would pretty much wipe the floor with any soccer/hockey player in tests of athletic ability - strength, speed, agility, balance, endurance, etc.

I would also like to call BS on the guy who said he was a '460' pound O linemen - in HS.

There isn't 1 NFL player close to that weight - in fact, I don't believe there has EVER been an NFL player officially over 400lbs - there are several that are likely close, but that entire post is bs.


Also, to the more recent posts - the NFL has taken significant steps to try and improve helmet technology to reduce the number of concussions.

 

[Train]

Originally posted by: NeoV
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Wow, what a convincing argument, it basically consisted of "Im right, you are wrong!" sorta childish.

I already agreed with you. NFL guys ARE in great shape. But compared to other pros sports they cant shake a stick in overall athleticism.

If you cant really add any worthwhile argument and just want to claim some sort of knowledge superiority then I guess this debate can't progress any further.

 

[Deeko]

Originally posted by: Train

Originally posted by: NeoV
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Wow, what a convincing argument, it basically consisted of "Im right, you are wrong!" sorta childish.

I already agreed with you. NFL guys ARE in great shape. But compared to other pros sports they cant shake a stick in overall athleticism.

If you cant really add any worthwhile argument and just want to claim some sort of knowledge superiority then I guess this debate can't progress any further.

You obviously don't consider strength/toughness into account with athleticism, which is where NFL players are worlds ahead of everyone else. Lets see Kobe Bryant take a hit like Adrian Peterson takes 30 times a game. He'd be floored after one. Lets see some MLS player bench 405 max, 225 23 times like Jay Cutler can do.

 

[Train]

Originally posted by: Deeko

Originally posted by: Train

Originally posted by: NeoV
....

Wow, what a convincing argument, it basically consisted of "Im right, you are wrong!" sorta childish.

I already agreed with you. NFL guys ARE in great shape. But compared to other pros sports they cant shake a stick in overall athleticism.

If you cant really add any worthwhile argument and just want to claim some sort of knowledge superiority then I guess this debate can't progress any further.

You obviously don't consider strength/toughness into account with athleticism, which is where NFL players are worlds ahead of everyone else. Lets see Kobe Bryant take a hit like Adrian Peterson takes 30 times a game. He'd be floored after one. Lets see some MLS player bench 405 max, 225 23 times like Jay Cutler can do.

Ever seen the study that soccer players take more brain trauma because A) they dont where helmets and B) the ball can go in excess of 45 mph. Those headers will fuck you up.

I'll see if I can find it.

 

[vi edit]

I think there's only one way to solve this.

We need an American Gladiators special event where each sport fields their best atheletes to be both contestants and gladiators.

That should answer this one real quick.

 

[Deeko]

Originally posted by: vi edit
I think there's only one way to solve this.

We need an American Gladiators special event where each sport fields their best atheletes to be both contestants and gladiators.

That should answer this one real quick.

I think Julius Peppers would destroy just about anyone in American Gladiators...that man is a freak.

 

[vi edit]

Originally posted by: Deeko

Originally posted by: vi edit
I think there's only one way to solve this.

We need an American Gladiators special event where each sport fields their best atheletes to be both contestants and gladiators.

That should answer this one real quick.

I think Julius Peppers would destroy just about anyone in American Gladiators...that man is a freak.

Him, Brandon Jacobs, Mario Williams, Vernon Davis, and Darren Sproles or Chris Johnson as a special use speedster would be an interesting lineup.

 

[KMFJD]

Originally posted by: NeoV
"Get a fuckin' Clue Size would kill you in most of those events. Other than a lanky reciever , CB, or saefty, most football players would get killed in simple agility tests like the jumps. "

Train - you are only looking at O-linemen, and a handful of D-linemen, who are what you call 'out of shape'

If you don't think NFL players are 'agile', you have no knowledge of the sport, how they train, or how athletic they are. I'll say for the last time - I'd take ANY NFL DB, WR, RB, LB, TE - and quite a few DE's - and they would pretty much wipe the floor with any soccer/hockey player in tests of athletic ability - strength, speed, agility, balance, endurance, etc.

I would also like to call BS on the guy who said he was a '460' pound O linemen - in HS.

There isn't 1 NFL player close to that weight - in fact, I don't believe there has EVER been an NFL player officially over 400lbs - there are several that are likely close, but that entire post is bs.


Also, to the more recent posts - the NFL has taken significant steps to try and improve helmet technology to reduce the number of concussions.

You will most definitely lose a bet based on endurance, no way that NFL players have the endurance of those other sports.

 

[rudder]

Originally posted by: theflyingpig

Originally posted by: ghost recon88

Originally posted by: theflyingpig

Originally posted by: BarneyFife

Originally posted by: theflyingpig
Those figures are incorrect. I suggest you do more research into this matter.

http://www.nflplayers.com/user...&lmid=349&pid=0&type=l

The average length of an NFL career is about 3 and a half seasons. Although there are some exceptional players who have long careers that extend 10 or twelve seasons and beyond, most players only stay active for about three seasons. Players leave the game because of injury, self-induced retirement, or being cut by the team.

oh

One word replys = ban

You spelled replies wrong.

ha

 

[GasX]

The arguement that athletes from any sport are the greatest athletes is silly. Each sport has specific requirements that result in a general body type or types in response to the sport's unique attributes.

Where NFL players shine is in very intense short duration tasks requiring strength and speed. The game, by design, gives everyone a 30 second break after each burst of activity. Combined with the physical nature of the sport and you get big strong men with an ability to cover short distances in very little time while dealing with the substantial push/pull/jostle of other players. These guys will fall on their face in endurance tests.

Take another sport and you will find a different archetype.

For example, with a few obvious exceptions, soccer players are all leg. They need to be able to generate power to kick the ball, but they also need to be able to run almost non-stop for 45 minutes twice with a 15 minute rest in between. Very few soccers players could handle football, but the reverse is equally true.

Other classic sports body types:

cycling: slim and wiry, huge heart and lungs, endurance out the wazoo
gymnasts: The true physicial specimens imho, but lacking in aerobic fitness
etc...

We have had this argument before and my vote always goes to the rugby player. The demands of their sport result in fast, strong, big, aerobically fit athletes. Still my opinion is just that and really there is no right answer.

 

[KLin]

http://www.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH...lete.brains/index.html

Interesting article on concussions causing more damage than previously thought.