Limp Bizkit guitarist search a front for material theft...

Lawton

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Hey all.

This was posted today on the Harmony-Central Guitar forum. It's worth the read if you're into guitar and/or "alternative" music.

The Bizkit, it seems, is pretty much limp after all.

 

StinkyMeat

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EVeryone should read this article, it's lengthy but VERY informative and thought provoking.
 

tm37

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HOLY CRAP!:Q

Are you saying these artists don't just do this for love of the music?
 

Stifko

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That Durst is sucha freakin hustler. He'd sell out his own Mom to turn a profit. I admire Wes for leaving those no talent, money grubbing creeps. Their next album may bomb, but Fred will get rich producing other bands. Kind of a depressing commentary on the music biz, but its true.
 

MrCodeDude

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Where's the Class Action suit? Wouldn't cancelling the event, cancel any terms on the contract?
-- mrcodedude
 

OREOSpeedwagon

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Interesting read. I never really liked Limp Bizkit, but now I think Durst should be taken out to Times Square and beaten to death with all the guitarists who got screwed watching (or doing the beating).
 

Limp bizkit is over.

Hope they had their fun in the limelight.

Now it's back to hoes and crack dealing.
 

Lawton

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That's right, it's their promotion... and they are legally getting guitarists to sign over the rights to their (the guitarists) creations to themselves (Limp Bizkit). How many of those guitarists KNOW that they are signing over the rights to their work is something that we don't know. Hopefully some WILL know, now, that Lip Bizkit, et al, are trying to rob them, and will stay home from this b.s.
 

StinkyMeat

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<< so whats its their promotion they can do what they want. >>



A Bizkit fan no doubt. Uncle Freddie is stealing?? Noooooo....
 
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Hold up. It's entirely possible (talking about the music, not the free concert) that that stuff is included to keep them from being liable. It may be that in the future a song of theirs happens to sound like someone's song that was played at the event. There are thousands of folks trying out for this thing, surely at some point a LB song is going to sound like one of those that the people played. It may be a coincidence, and therefore LB needed to include in the contract that you couldn't hold them responsible if it sounds like it.

Not that I think that's what it was for, but just a possiblily. Cover Your Ass.
 

pulse8

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What they are doing sucks, but these guitarists are partially at fault.

They have the right to read the contract and know what they are getting into. They also have the right to just walk away and not play anything.

If they have gotten screwed it's partially their fault for trusting Limp Bizkit and whoever else was involed.
 

Vic

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If that was the case, they wouldn't have the "no solo" rule.
Nope, the idea here is to sample thousands and thousand of original riffs in order to find good ones to steal.

Limp Bizkit's 15 minutes just ended.
 

Amused

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<< If that was the case, they wouldn't have the "no solo" rule.
Nope, the idea here is to sample thousands and thousand of original riffs in order to find good ones to steal.

Limp Bizkit's 15 minutes just ended.
>>



So let me get this straight. It's OK to steal other people's intellectual property if it's software, but it's not OK if it's music?

I just don't understand some people's moral relativism. It's OK if they steal, but not if someone else does.
 

Lawton

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Who said in this thread that ripping off software was OK? Where are you coming from?
 

badluck

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Let me ask this....these wannabes are signing a contract knowing that their work can be used and (if Limp Bizkit is working with it) abused, but they still do it anyway? No matter what happens? That sounds pretty dumb to me. Would be okay if they continued the event, the winners got to play for Liimp Bizkit and then tossed out on the street? What is the difference? They are still raping the author of their sound........That is why they make you sign a contract......


Remember, this happened at one place and there is no way to know if they did this on purpose.

No, I don't like whiny Limp Bizkit either...heh.
 
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I can't believe I am defending Limp Bizkit - I have always found them, and indeed their entire genre of rap/metal, pretty much completely soulless, and I hesitate even to call it music.

That said, I think BrunoPuntzJones is probably 100% correct - I imagine this is essentially a measure being undertaken to avoid lawsuits later, not as a means to allow them to steal other people's material. I frankly can't see why they would undertake the time- and labor-intensive process of these open auditions for the purpose of stealing riffs or songs, and I'm sure this is a measure their attorneys encouraged them to take to cover their butts. God knows Fred Durst is a very bright guy, even though he is, IMO, a very limited musical talent.

I was delighted recently when I read that their old guitarist, Wes Borland, left the band because he became, in Durst's words, "obsessed with Radiohead," and decided the LB musical vein was dead - I love the idea that my favorite band unwittingly brought down one of the worst bands around!
 

Amused

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<< Who said in this thread that ripping off software was OK? Where are you coming from? >>



The guy tried justifying software piracy in another thread. Sorry, didn't mean to confuse you
 

Burnt

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I always thought that when bands held auditions, they would make the auditioners play some of their songs. But Limp Bizkit is stupid and just wants to take other peoples riffs. I'm glad Wes Borland left, and I hope the others leave too.
 

Azraele

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If what they were after was material to steal for their own use, I find that absolutely disguting. If it was to prevent legalities, I still find what they did harsh, but I can see the reasoning behind it.
 

Qacer

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Here's the text for those of you who can't access the site:

"

Some of you may have heard about the Limp Bizkit guitarist search. Basically, the band has been "touring" the country visiting Guitar Center stores, holding auditions for a new guitarist to replace the one who left the band.
The deal is this. From 7:00 to 11:00 AM you can sign up for a slot to try out that day. The tryouts are from 10:00 AM to 5:00 PM. During this time, they take you into a room to play your stuff. At the end of that time, you leave. They call three to ten people at 5:30 to come back to the place and play in front of Limp Bizkit. Out of those people, one is selected to return at 9:00 to jam with the band, and anyone who participated is invited to watch -- a free concert, basically.

So I arrive there, with a copy of our band's full CD in hand. I'm with a friend who wants to try out, so I go ahead and sign up too. We get there at 5:00 AM and we're 83rd and 84th in line. Not incredibly bad. Free Krispy Kreme donuts and coffee, so all isn't too bad.

10:00 rolls around. The line is moving slow, but that's to be expected. We finally get up around the corner of the building to the front of the line at about noon. Current total time there: 7 hours.

Get to the table, and I notice there's a waiver you have to sign. No problem, standard stuff. Then I notice it's a three page contract. This contract basically said that if you play, you must sign the contract. Okay. No big deal here either. So I keep reading it. An interesting note. Anything you play can NOT be copyright, and can be used by Limp Bizkit in audio, video, or recorded form of any sort. Other big words which basically translated to the fact that if you play something, they are fully authorized to steal it and use it on a CD. The artist agrees to zero compensation and zero rights over the track, and will get their name in the liner notes "if possible."

This didn't sit well, as me and the guy I was with were planning on playing something we wrote with Starfront. So we sign it and decide to make something up. An annoyance at the very least, but we'd waited seven hours to get this far.

Then we got to stand in the parking lot for another two hours. We finally get inside at about 2:30, where it's another 30 minute wait for your turn. Current total time there: 10 hours.

So then we get the "rules". They are outlined for us straight out. No guitar solos. No playing cover songs. No playing copyrighted material. No playing Limp Bizkit songs. This effectively means that you're forced to play something that you made up, but don't have a copyright for. You may see where this is going.

Entering the room, there's one guy. He's got a mute button under his foot. His job is to make sure you follow the rules. If you break any, you get muted and kicked out immediately. So I go in, and there's one amp for me to plug into, and the settings are turned to "mud". It sounded awful, and was not pleasing to the ears. And it was loud enough that the awfulness didn't go away for some time. Then comes another fun part.

"You have 60 seconds to play. Starting now."

One f*cking minute?! I mean, sh*t... okay. So since the thing I'd been planning was two minutes and thirty seconds, I cut most of the parts out. Kept it under time (about 57 seconds), but it still sounded worse than a handful of ass due to that beautiful amplifier (hmm). And I leave the room and the line proceeds. We're told that the winners will be announced at 5:30. And that we are to remain in the front parking lot until that time. No leaving. Period. This makes for unhappy people. We're talking 200+ people here, plus any wives / girlfriends / husbands / boyfriends / family / friends which accompanied them. But what can you do? We stay until 5:30. Total current time there: 12 hours, 30 minutes.

5:30 rolls around. People are getting ansi. The band management promised "free pizza". It came, and there were two boxes of pizza. Two large pizzas. For about two hundred people at least. No cool points here either. Anyway, the clock keeps ticking, and it's 6:00 before we notice anything going on. Guitar Center management flags all their people and security to come inside to discuss something. They go in there, and the guy in charge walks out with a megaphone. After getting everyone's attention, the guy on the megaphone speaks:

"This competition has been called off effective immediately and will not be rescheduled. The band will not be performing with nor for anyone. They will not be signing autographs. This is beyond our control, but please exit the area immediately."

The guy then proceeds to enter back inside the huge glass doors, and two armed officers stand behind the door. They lock the building as the massive amount of people head directly towards them. After reaching the building, people start going ape****. Cops are called in basically a way to clear the crowd. After about an hour, most have gone home or been "taken" home by the police. The radio station is completely screwed, having brought their entire broadcast booths out to cover it. Everyone is very, very pissed. Me and the other guy stayed awhile to figure out what was going on. It's now about 7:30 PM.

FM99 is having a field day with it. They're referring to this as "F*ck Fred Durst Friday", taking calls in from people who went. But unless you've read this carefully, I don't think you understand what happened.

Limp Bizkit now has over 200 guitar parts, written by various artists around here, which are unowned and not copyrighted. Limp Bizkit now owns these riffs. Limp Bizkit just stole 200 pieces of material right out from under these guitarists' noses, myself included. If I'd played something off our CD, I would be ABSOLUTELY pissed. I *am* absolutely pissed. They have completely ripped off hundreds of people, and they're getting away with it because they can. They're on their way to Georgia, and the radio station here has given out request line numbers for the stations down there for us to call and let them know what's happening over the course of this event, to warn them. But people aren't going to buy it. They're going to go and get their sh*t stolen too.

Someone needs to beat the living sh*t out of him. He's an as*hole, and someone who doesn't deserve to be breathing the same air as a f*cking cockroach.

To add insult to injury, Guitar Center ran a contest where the winner would get to watch the band play even if they didn't play guitar. One person and a friend. That person also won an autographed Gibson Les Paul Studio ($1500+ guitar) by the band. She showed up after a near 200 mile drive to the area. Guitar Center told her that the band refused to acknowledge the contest at this point, and so not only did she drive three and a half hours for no performance (which she took her ten year old kid to see as his first concert), but apparently the guitar wasn't given either. All because the band wanted to be one giant collective c*nt.

If any of you know anyone who's considering going to these tryouts, show them this message. If they have any questions they can contact me directly. I'm doing everything I possibly can to make sure this does NOT happen to anyone else. It's not my stuff I'm concerned about -- our CD is copyrighted completely and legally -- but I'm guessing 90% of the local bands who passed Durst a copy of their CD are going to be sh*t. Many bands, especially newer local ones, don't have the money or know-how to copyright their stuff, and by giving it to them tonight, they just basically tossed them a new Limp Bizkit CD if Fred wants to do that. I wouldn't be surprised if he copyrights their sh*t tomorrow.

It hurts to look around and see hundreds of people get excited at the chance to be able to make something of their guitar work; to have a shot at being in a popular band, making a living doing what they dream of. Fred Durst and Limp Bizkit are taking that dream and f*ck it over. And anyone who wasn't there who just caught the coverage at noon and 5:00 on the news just think everything is perfect. Happy Fred Durst in front of the cameras behind the place, fenced off, saying how good the turnout is and how happy everyone seems, and talking about all the great sh*t he's hearing. That man is the true meaning of a music label representative. He's the perfect salesman and nice guy in front of the media, and turns around and screws everyone involved in the ass without having to take any hit in his overall popularity, and possibly gaining a sh*t ton of new music in the process that he's ripped from people.

Not many things piss me off, but I'm pissed off. I'm not the only one. All sorts of "this band is playing tonight at this place, and they'd like me to announce to Fred Durst that if you're still in the area and you come to this venue, you will be able to see what a REAL band is like -- right before the real band beats your skull in." This radio station is sick of the sh*t from this band, and so are its listeners. If this keeps happening, I wouldn't be surprised if some sh*t goes down somewhere really damn soon. If it does, I'll let you know.


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J3anyus

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That's a bunch of crap. I've always thought Fred Durst was an asshole with no talent, but now he's even worse in my mind. Gah!
 
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<< That's a bunch of crap. I've always thought Fred Durst was an asshole with no talent, but now he's even worse in my mind. Gah! >>

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What he said.
 
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