Link me Affordable healthcare.

[shadow9d9]

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: shadow9d9


I just explained how your suggestion that catastrophic coverage was much cheaper was ill informed...

I don't get the leap to the idea that if you choose a private insurance, you won't be part of their public insurance...

Our costs compared to everyone else's costs are super inflated and we get much much less. We also get excluded and denied on a daily basis so that companies can make a profit off of our suffering.

No system is perfect. But paying half the cost so that every american will be covered for everything is worth changing to. No system is perfect, but it sure can't get worse than here.


"Grandmother dies after NHS cancer treatment is withdrawn because she paid privately for life-extending drug "

If someone chooses to ignore the rules of the system, that is their fault. Here, we get denied because 20 years ago we had acne that wasn't reported. There they get denied because they did something they weren't supposed to do. Huge difference.

I think you misunderstood...something I said. I didnt indicate, as you put it, that catastrophic coverage was much cheaper. So no idea how to respond to that.

If you dont get the leap, then check on NHS's website, or search google.co.uk for cases where NHS denied coverage due to having private insurance. I found many stories.

I also see you guys have have death panels :Q All in the name of saving a buck I guess.


Sentenced to death on the NHS
Patients with terminal illnesses are being made to die prematurely under an NHS scheme to help end their lives, leading doctors have warned.

I originally said:
The other first world countries pay 1/2 what we pay and cover everyone for everything... they pay about 6-10% extra in healthcare. I'm 27, married , with one child, and we pay about 20% of our income on health insurance, not counting copays and deductibles.

Oh, I am self-employed. I guess we should shut down small businesses and have everyone work for big companies, right? That has worked so well over the last year...


You said:

Not catastrophic they dont.


I figured you meant that catastrophic was a cheaper option...


As for NHS... if it is against the rules to go for a private insurance for some matters... it wouldn't be a secret to the people. Meaning that the people subsequently denied knew that they were taking that risk.

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: shadow9d9

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: shadow9d9


I just explained how your suggestion that catastrophic coverage was much cheaper was ill informed...

I don't get the leap to the idea that if you choose a private insurance, you won't be part of their public insurance...

Our costs compared to everyone else's costs are super inflated and we get much much less. We also get excluded and denied on a daily basis so that companies can make a profit off of our suffering.

No system is perfect. But paying half the cost so that every american will be covered for everything is worth changing to. No system is perfect, but it sure can't get worse than here.


"Grandmother dies after NHS cancer treatment is withdrawn because she paid privately for life-extending drug "

If someone chooses to ignore the rules of the system, that is their fault. Here, we get denied because 20 years ago we had acne that wasn't reported. There they get denied because they did something they weren't supposed to do. Huge difference.

I think you misunderstood...something I said. I didnt indicate, as you put it, that catastrophic coverage was much cheaper. So no idea how to respond to that.

If you dont get the leap, then check on NHS's website, or search google.co.uk for cases where NHS denied coverage due to having private insurance. I found many stories.

I also see you guys have have death panels :Q All in the name of saving a buck I guess.


Sentenced to death on the NHS
Patients with terminal illnesses are being made to die prematurely under an NHS scheme to help end their lives, leading doctors have warned.

I originally said:
The other first world countries pay 1/2 what we pay and cover everyone for everything... they pay about 6-10% extra in healthcare. I'm 27, married , with one child, and we pay about 20% of our income on health insurance, not counting copays and deductibles.

Oh, I am self-employed. I guess we should shut down small businesses and have everyone work for big companies, right? That has worked so well over the last year...


You said:

Not catastrophic they dont.


I figured you meant that catastrophic was a cheaper option...


As for NHS... if it is against the rules to go for a private insurance for some matters... it wouldn't be a secret to the people. Meaning that the people subsequently denied knew that they were taking that risk.

No no no. Its not that its against the rules, its that the rules are VERY strict what youre allowed to have covered by private insurance. But then we ARE talking about the nanny state here.

And catastrophic care is a BIG business in UK. I wonder why.

Perhaps we should have a thread to compare and contrast various countries health care? Back to the subject at hand, affordable health care is available. But apparently the OP wants something like $30/mo that would cover a brain tumor 100%, so maybe not for him.

 

[shadow9d9]

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: shadow9d9

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: shadow9d9


I just explained how your suggestion that catastrophic coverage was much cheaper was ill informed...

I don't get the leap to the idea that if you choose a private insurance, you won't be part of their public insurance...

Our costs compared to everyone else's costs are super inflated and we get much much less. We also get excluded and denied on a daily basis so that companies can make a profit off of our suffering.

No system is perfect. But paying half the cost so that every american will be covered for everything is worth changing to. No system is perfect, but it sure can't get worse than here.


"Grandmother dies after NHS cancer treatment is withdrawn because she paid privately for life-extending drug "

If someone chooses to ignore the rules of the system, that is their fault. Here, we get denied because 20 years ago we had acne that wasn't reported. There they get denied because they did something they weren't supposed to do. Huge difference.

I think you misunderstood...something I said. I didnt indicate, as you put it, that catastrophic coverage was much cheaper. So no idea how to respond to that.

If you dont get the leap, then check on NHS's website, or search google.co.uk for cases where NHS denied coverage due to having private insurance. I found many stories.

I also see you guys have have death panels :Q All in the name of saving a buck I guess.


Sentenced to death on the NHS
Patients with terminal illnesses are being made to die prematurely under an NHS scheme to help end their lives, leading doctors have warned.

I originally said:
The other first world countries pay 1/2 what we pay and cover everyone for everything... they pay about 6-10% extra in healthcare. I'm 27, married , with one child, and we pay about 20% of our income on health insurance, not counting copays and deductibles.

Oh, I am self-employed. I guess we should shut down small businesses and have everyone work for big companies, right? That has worked so well over the last year...


You said:

Not catastrophic they dont.


I figured you meant that catastrophic was a cheaper option...


As for NHS... if it is against the rules to go for a private insurance for some matters... it wouldn't be a secret to the people. Meaning that the people subsequently denied knew that they were taking that risk.

No no no. Its not that its against the rules, its that the rules are VERY strict what youre allowed to have covered by private insurance. But then we ARE talking about the nanny state here.

And catastrophic care is a BIG business in UK. I wonder why.

Perhaps we should have a thread to compare and contrast various countries health care? Back to the subject at hand, affordable health care is available. But apparently the OP wants something like $30/mo that would cover a brain tumor 100%, so maybe not for him.

Well, I just explained that it costs 5400 for a family of 3 for catastrophic only and now pay 9-10k, not including copays for full insurance for a family of 3.... This equals 25% of the median income of this country's pay and 12.5% for catastrophic only... Yet every other country pays 6-10% and everyone gets fully covered....

So... how is it exactly affordable?

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: shadow9d9

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: shadow9d9

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: shadow9d9


I just explained how your suggestion that catastrophic coverage was much cheaper was ill informed...

I don't get the leap to the idea that if you choose a private insurance, you won't be part of their public insurance...

Our costs compared to everyone else's costs are super inflated and we get much much less. We also get excluded and denied on a daily basis so that companies can make a profit off of our suffering.

No system is perfect. But paying half the cost so that every american will be covered for everything is worth changing to. No system is perfect, but it sure can't get worse than here.


"Grandmother dies after NHS cancer treatment is withdrawn because she paid privately for life-extending drug "

If someone chooses to ignore the rules of the system, that is their fault. Here, we get denied because 20 years ago we had acne that wasn't reported. There they get denied because they did something they weren't supposed to do. Huge difference.

I think you misunderstood...something I said. I didnt indicate, as you put it, that catastrophic coverage was much cheaper. So no idea how to respond to that.

If you dont get the leap, then check on NHS's website, or search google.co.uk for cases where NHS denied coverage due to having private insurance. I found many stories.

I also see you guys have have death panels :Q All in the name of saving a buck I guess.


Sentenced to death on the NHS
Patients with terminal illnesses are being made to die prematurely under an NHS scheme to help end their lives, leading doctors have warned.

I originally said:
The other first world countries pay 1/2 what we pay and cover everyone for everything... they pay about 6-10% extra in healthcare. I'm 27, married , with one child, and we pay about 20% of our income on health insurance, not counting copays and deductibles.

Oh, I am self-employed. I guess we should shut down small businesses and have everyone work for big companies, right? That has worked so well over the last year...


You said:

Not catastrophic they dont.


I figured you meant that catastrophic was a cheaper option...


As for NHS... if it is against the rules to go for a private insurance for some matters... it wouldn't be a secret to the people. Meaning that the people subsequently denied knew that they were taking that risk.

No no no. Its not that its against the rules, its that the rules are VERY strict what youre allowed to have covered by private insurance. But then we ARE talking about the nanny state here.

And catastrophic care is a BIG business in UK. I wonder why.

Perhaps we should have a thread to compare and contrast various countries health care? Back to the subject at hand, affordable health care is available. But apparently the OP wants something like $30/mo that would cover a brain tumor 100%, so maybe not for him.

Well, I just explained that it costs 5400 for a family of 3 for catastrophic only and now pay 9-10k, not including copays for full insurance for a family of 3.... This equals 25% of the median income of this country's pay and 12.5% for catastrophic only... Yet every other country pays 6-10% and everyone gets fully covered....

So... how is it exactly affordable?

Thats your problem.

1. you think that everything is covered, and
2. youre willing to get the same care (the UK since you brought it up) they get.

Analysis: youre out of youre friggin mind. But we can agree to disagree.

 

[shadow9d9]

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: shadow9d9

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: shadow9d9

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: shadow9d9


I just explained how your suggestion that catastrophic coverage was much cheaper was ill informed...

I don't get the leap to the idea that if you choose a private insurance, you won't be part of their public insurance...

Our costs compared to everyone else's costs are super inflated and we get much much less. We also get excluded and denied on a daily basis so that companies can make a profit off of our suffering.

No system is perfect. But paying half the cost so that every american will be covered for everything is worth changing to. No system is perfect, but it sure can't get worse than here.


"Grandmother dies after NHS cancer treatment is withdrawn because she paid privately for life-extending drug "

If someone chooses to ignore the rules of the system, that is their fault. Here, we get denied because 20 years ago we had acne that wasn't reported. There they get denied because they did something they weren't supposed to do. Huge difference.

I think you misunderstood...something I said. I didnt indicate, as you put it, that catastrophic coverage was much cheaper. So no idea how to respond to that.

If you dont get the leap, then check on NHS's website, or search google.co.uk for cases where NHS denied coverage due to having private insurance. I found many stories.

I also see you guys have have death panels :Q All in the name of saving a buck I guess.


Sentenced to death on the NHS
Patients with terminal illnesses are being made to die prematurely under an NHS scheme to help end their lives, leading doctors have warned.

I originally said:
The other first world countries pay 1/2 what we pay and cover everyone for everything... they pay about 6-10% extra in healthcare. I'm 27, married , with one child, and we pay about 20% of our income on health insurance, not counting copays and deductibles.

Oh, I am self-employed. I guess we should shut down small businesses and have everyone work for big companies, right? That has worked so well over the last year...


You said:

Not catastrophic they dont.


I figured you meant that catastrophic was a cheaper option...


As for NHS... if it is against the rules to go for a private insurance for some matters... it wouldn't be a secret to the people. Meaning that the people subsequently denied knew that they were taking that risk.

No no no. Its not that its against the rules, its that the rules are VERY strict what youre allowed to have covered by private insurance. But then we ARE talking about the nanny state here.

And catastrophic care is a BIG business in UK. I wonder why.

Perhaps we should have a thread to compare and contrast various countries health care? Back to the subject at hand, affordable health care is available. But apparently the OP wants something like $30/mo that would cover a brain tumor 100%, so maybe not for him.

Well, I just explained that it costs 5400 for a family of 3 for catastrophic only and now pay 9-10k, not including copays for full insurance for a family of 3.... This equals 25% of the median income of this country's pay and 12.5% for catastrophic only... Yet every other country pays 6-10% and everyone gets fully covered....

So... how is it exactly affordable?

Thats your problem.

1. you think that everything is covered, and
2. youre willing to get the same care (the UK since you brought it up) they get.

Analysis: youre out of youre friggin mind. But we can agree to disagree.

You made the claim it is affordable. Every time I ask you how my real numbers are affordable, you go on a dodging spree.

Back up your claim please of "Back to the subject at hand, affordable health care is available. "compared to my real numbers.


Then we can go on to discuss comparisons with other countries. However, all you are doing right now is trying to divert and derail without having to back up your claim.

 

[TruePaige]

Originally posted by: shadow9d9

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: shadow9d9

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: shadow9d9

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: shadow9d9


I just explained how your suggestion that catastrophic coverage was much cheaper was ill informed...

I don't get the leap to the idea that if you choose a private insurance, you won't be part of their public insurance...

Our costs compared to everyone else's costs are super inflated and we get much much less. We also get excluded and denied on a daily basis so that companies can make a profit off of our suffering.

No system is perfect. But paying half the cost so that every american will be covered for everything is worth changing to. No system is perfect, but it sure can't get worse than here.


"Grandmother dies after NHS cancer treatment is withdrawn because she paid privately for life-extending drug "

If someone chooses to ignore the rules of the system, that is their fault. Here, we get denied because 20 years ago we had acne that wasn't reported. There they get denied because they did something they weren't supposed to do. Huge difference.

I think you misunderstood...something I said. I didnt indicate, as you put it, that catastrophic coverage was much cheaper. So no idea how to respond to that.

If you dont get the leap, then check on NHS's website, or search google.co.uk for cases where NHS denied coverage due to having private insurance. I found many stories.

I also see you guys have have death panels :Q All in the name of saving a buck I guess.


Sentenced to death on the NHS
Patients with terminal illnesses are being made to die prematurely under an NHS scheme to help end their lives, leading doctors have warned.

I originally said:
The other first world countries pay 1/2 what we pay and cover everyone for everything... they pay about 6-10% extra in healthcare. I'm 27, married , with one child, and we pay about 20% of our income on health insurance, not counting copays and deductibles.

Oh, I am self-employed. I guess we should shut down small businesses and have everyone work for big companies, right? That has worked so well over the last year...


You said:

Not catastrophic they dont.


I figured you meant that catastrophic was a cheaper option...


As for NHS... if it is against the rules to go for a private insurance for some matters... it wouldn't be a secret to the people. Meaning that the people subsequently denied knew that they were taking that risk.

No no no. Its not that its against the rules, its that the rules are VERY strict what youre allowed to have covered by private insurance. But then we ARE talking about the nanny state here.

And catastrophic care is a BIG business in UK. I wonder why.

Perhaps we should have a thread to compare and contrast various countries health care? Back to the subject at hand, affordable health care is available. But apparently the OP wants something like $30/mo that would cover a brain tumor 100%, so maybe not for him.

Well, I just explained that it costs 5400 for a family of 3 for catastrophic only and now pay 9-10k, not including copays for full insurance for a family of 3.... This equals 25% of the median income of this country's pay and 12.5% for catastrophic only... Yet every other country pays 6-10% and everyone gets fully covered....

So... how is it exactly affordable?

Thats your problem.

1. you think that everything is covered, and
2. youre willing to get the same care (the UK since you brought it up) they get.

Analysis: youre out of youre friggin mind. But we can agree to disagree.

You made the claim it is affordable. Every time I ask you how my real numbers are affordable, you go on a dodging spree.

Back up your claim please of "Back to the subject at hand, affordable health care is available. "compared to my real numbers.


Then we can go on to discuss comparisons with other countries. However, all you are doing right now is trying to divert and derail without having to back up your claim.

Black angst is just mad that people pissed in his cheerios and proved him wrong, because he can't find a single, sensible, affordable plan.

Just a blind monkey like the rest of the anti-UHC crowd around here.

"Status quo! Because things are okay for me, things are okay how they are!"

 

[Fear No Evil]

Originally posted by: TruePaige

Originally posted by: shadow9d9

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: shadow9d9

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: shadow9d9

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: shadow9d9


I just explained how your suggestion that catastrophic coverage was much cheaper was ill informed...

I don't get the leap to the idea that if you choose a private insurance, you won't be part of their public insurance...

Our costs compared to everyone else's costs are super inflated and we get much much less. We also get excluded and denied on a daily basis so that companies can make a profit off of our suffering.

No system is perfect. But paying half the cost so that every american will be covered for everything is worth changing to. No system is perfect, but it sure can't get worse than here.


"Grandmother dies after NHS cancer treatment is withdrawn because she paid privately for life-extending drug "

If someone chooses to ignore the rules of the system, that is their fault. Here, we get denied because 20 years ago we had acne that wasn't reported. There they get denied because they did something they weren't supposed to do. Huge difference.

I think you misunderstood...something I said. I didnt indicate, as you put it, that catastrophic coverage was much cheaper. So no idea how to respond to that.

If you dont get the leap, then check on NHS's website, or search google.co.uk for cases where NHS denied coverage due to having private insurance. I found many stories.

I also see you guys have have death panels :Q All in the name of saving a buck I guess.


Sentenced to death on the NHS
Patients with terminal illnesses are being made to die prematurely under an NHS scheme to help end their lives, leading doctors have warned.

I originally said:
The other first world countries pay 1/2 what we pay and cover everyone for everything... they pay about 6-10% extra in healthcare. I'm 27, married , with one child, and we pay about 20% of our income on health insurance, not counting copays and deductibles.

Oh, I am self-employed. I guess we should shut down small businesses and have everyone work for big companies, right? That has worked so well over the last year...


You said:

Not catastrophic they dont.


I figured you meant that catastrophic was a cheaper option...


As for NHS... if it is against the rules to go for a private insurance for some matters... it wouldn't be a secret to the people. Meaning that the people subsequently denied knew that they were taking that risk.

No no no. Its not that its against the rules, its that the rules are VERY strict what youre allowed to have covered by private insurance. But then we ARE talking about the nanny state here.

And catastrophic care is a BIG business in UK. I wonder why.

Perhaps we should have a thread to compare and contrast various countries health care? Back to the subject at hand, affordable health care is available. But apparently the OP wants something like $30/mo that would cover a brain tumor 100%, so maybe not for him.

Well, I just explained that it costs 5400 for a family of 3 for catastrophic only and now pay 9-10k, not including copays for full insurance for a family of 3.... This equals 25% of the median income of this country's pay and 12.5% for catastrophic only... Yet every other country pays 6-10% and everyone gets fully covered....

So... how is it exactly affordable?

Thats your problem.

1. you think that everything is covered, and
2. youre willing to get the same care (the UK since you brought it up) they get.

Analysis: youre out of youre friggin mind. But we can agree to disagree.

You made the claim it is affordable. Every time I ask you how my real numbers are affordable, you go on a dodging spree.

Back up your claim please of "Back to the subject at hand, affordable health care is available. "compared to my real numbers.


Then we can go on to discuss comparisons with other countries. However, all you are doing right now is trying to divert and derail without having to back up your claim.

Black angst is just mad that people pissed in his cheerios and proved him wrong, because he can't find a single, sensible, affordable plan.

Just a blind monkey like the rest of the anti-UHC crowd around here.

"Status quo! Because things are okay for me, things are okay how they are!"

Spend trillions just because things aren't OK for a small amount of Americans! This game is fun!

 

[Wheezer]

Originally posted by: SirStev0
This needs its own topic. You are no longer allowed to claim there are affordable options out there. Put up or shut up.


I am 23, healthy, no history of chronic diseases, unemployed (I am a student), & nonsmoker. You must prove that I will be fully covered and that I will not be denied for "preventative" tests.

I do not have an employer so you can not forget their share of the cost. Just as a for instance, if my thyroid is significantly and irregularly enlarged and my doctor wants me to have an MRI, this MUST be covered (this is an actual example of a friend with my same stats who recently had the $2000 procedure denied)

Any anti-reformer on here is free to answer with a link. This is not a debate thread. I don't want to hear your theories on the issue. I don't care about your fairy tale coverage. It is time to prove that there is affordable health care in America.

Any Euro-posters feel free to rub in your average tax cost for health care.

pssst....thousands of people go to school AND work......get a fucking job.

health care will NEVER be affordable to someone without an income.

when you get a job come back and we'll talk.

not to mention you can make payments to the providing hospital for the services......hell no, no one wants to pay out of pocket....grow up and learn to be responsible.

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: shadow9d9
You made the claim it is affordable. Every time I ask you how my real numbers are affordable, you go on a dodging spree.

Back up your claim please of "Back to the subject at hand, affordable health care is available. "compared to my real numbers.


Then we can go on to discuss comparisons with other countries. However, all you are doing right now is trying to divert and derail without having to back up your claim.

I seem to have a serious comprehension problem with your posts. I thought we were talking about...you know...the OP. My bad. Didnt know it was about you.

Maybe you can do as the OP did and list all the details so the rest of us can look for you?

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: TruePaige

Black angst is just mad that people pissed in his cheerios and proved him wrong, because he can't find a single, sensible, affordable plan.

Just a blind monkey like the rest of the anti-UHC crowd around here.

"Status quo! Because things are okay for me, things are okay how they are!"

Really? You dont think a $100/mo plan with low deductables and no lifetime capo is affordable?

And to quote wheezer in relation to the OP:

pssst....thousands of people go to school AND work......get a fucking job.

health care will NEVER be affordable to someone without an income.

when you get a job come back and we'll talk.

not to mention you can make payments to the providing hospital for the services......hell no, no one wants to pay out of pocket....grow up and learn to be responsible.

 

[Pliablemoose]

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil

Spend trillions just because things aren't OK for a small amount of Americans! This game is fun!

Much of those trillions is already spent supporting the current fucked up system.

And we're talking about fellow human beings, death, suffering & disability....

But what the heck, let them die, it's natural selection, right?

"And if they would rather die, they had better do it, and decrease the surplus population."

 

[SirStev0]

Originally posted by: Wheezer

Originally posted by: SirStev0
This needs its own topic. You are no longer allowed to claim there are affordable options out there. Put up or shut up.


I am 23, healthy, no history of chronic diseases, unemployed (I am a student), & nonsmoker. You must prove that I will be fully covered and that I will not be denied for "preventative" tests.

I do not have an employer so you can not forget their share of the cost. Just as a for instance, if my thyroid is significantly and irregularly enlarged and my doctor wants me to have an MRI, this MUST be covered (this is an actual example of a friend with my same stats who recently had the $2000 procedure denied)

Any anti-reformer on here is free to answer with a link. This is not a debate thread. I don't want to hear your theories on the issue. I don't care about your fairy tale coverage. It is time to prove that there is affordable health care in America.

Any Euro-posters feel free to rub in your average tax cost for health care.

pssst....thousands of people go to school AND work......get a fucking job.

health care will NEVER be affordable to someone without an income.

when you get a job come back and we'll talk.

not to mention you can make payments to the providing hospital for the services......hell no, no one wants to pay out of pocket....grow up and learn to be responsible.

Most people who go to med school don't work. Try again asshole. I should mention I do work, for $1000 a semester for Work Study, the most you are allowed to work at my school.

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: SirStev0

Originally posted by: Wheezer

Originally posted by: SirStev0
This needs its own topic. You are no longer allowed to claim there are affordable options out there. Put up or shut up.


I am 23, healthy, no history of chronic diseases, unemployed (I am a student), & nonsmoker. You must prove that I will be fully covered and that I will not be denied for "preventative" tests.

I do not have an employer so you can not forget their share of the cost. Just as a for instance, if my thyroid is significantly and irregularly enlarged and my doctor wants me to have an MRI, this MUST be covered (this is an actual example of a friend with my same stats who recently had the $2000 procedure denied)

Any anti-reformer on here is free to answer with a link. This is not a debate thread. I don't want to hear your theories on the issue. I don't care about your fairy tale coverage. It is time to prove that there is affordable health care in America.

Any Euro-posters feel free to rub in your average tax cost for health care.

pssst....thousands of people go to school AND work......get a fucking job.

health care will NEVER be affordable to someone without an income.

when you get a job come back and we'll talk.

not to mention you can make payments to the providing hospital for the services......hell no, no one wants to pay out of pocket....grow up and learn to be responsible.

Most people who go to med school don't work. Try again asshole. I should mention I do work, for $1000 a semester for Work Study, the most you are allowed to work at my school.

Stev0: what is your budget, and what are your requirements for coverage? Specifically.

 

[Nebor]

Originally posted by: 0marTheZealot
Somethings are necessary and some things are luxury items. If we were arguing about whether or not OLED TVs should be sacrificed for health insurance, I'd hope that everyone would be reasonable. However, when it comes to something like school vs health insurance, there is no right answer. You can't sacrifice your future for health, but you can't sacrifice your health for your future. And secondly, I don't think that working at Wal-Mart is a smart choice in order to provide yourself/family with health insurance.

The real tragedy is that every modern country has been able to provide healthcare to it's citizens, for less money than what we spend on only a fraction of the population. We are quite obviously doing something fundamentally wrong.

Health insurance isn't a necessity. You can live perfectly well without it. Certainly it's nice to have, but so are name brand clothes and digital cameras. You're setting up a false dilemma with this school vs. health insurance argument. Many people have both. Schools provide cheap insurance. And most students work at least a little bit to pay for things they want.

And you don't think that working at Wal-mart is a smart choice to provide you and your family with health insurance? This is exactly my point. You say you want[/i[] health insurance, but you in no way prioritize it. You're not willing to sacrifice anything for it. You're too good to work at Wal-mart, but you're perfectly fine taking the money out of my pocket to pay for what you want, but don't want to work for.

 

[Wheezer]

Originally posted by: SirStev0

Originally posted by: Wheezer

Originally posted by: SirStev0
This needs its own topic. You are no longer allowed to claim there are affordable options out there. Put up or shut up.


I am 23, healthy, no history of chronic diseases, unemployed (I am a student), & nonsmoker. You must prove that I will be fully covered and that I will not be denied for "preventative" tests.

I do not have an employer so you can not forget their share of the cost. Just as a for instance, if my thyroid is significantly and irregularly enlarged and my doctor wants me to have an MRI, this MUST be covered (this is an actual example of a friend with my same stats who recently had the $2000 procedure denied)

Any anti-reformer on here is free to answer with a link. This is not a debate thread. I don't want to hear your theories on the issue. I don't care about your fairy tale coverage. It is time to prove that there is affordable health care in America.

Any Euro-posters feel free to rub in your average tax cost for health care.

pssst....thousands of people go to school AND work......get a fucking job.

health care will NEVER be affordable to someone without an income.

when you get a job come back and we'll talk.

not to mention you can make payments to the providing hospital for the services......hell no, no one wants to pay out of pocket....grow up and learn to be responsible.

Most people who go to med school don't work. Try again asshole. I should mention I do work, for $1000 a semester for Work Study, the most you are allowed to work at my school.

what, in you're OP you throw down the gauntlet and expect others to do your home work for you stating that you are unemployed and when I call you on it I'm the asshole?....gee, ok.


Like I said, there is no law that says that you can't pay out of pocket...as a matter of fact many places can set up payment plans. I know, I know..that would not "be fair"....tough...life is a real bitch and while you're in med school you're gonna have to suck it up and deal with it...after school get a job and pay the bills.

Like what grown ups do.

 

[0marTheZealot]

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: 0marTheZealot
Somethings are necessary and some things are luxury items. If we were arguing about whether or not OLED TVs should be sacrificed for health insurance, I'd hope that everyone would be reasonable. However, when it comes to something like school vs health insurance, there is no right answer. You can't sacrifice your future for health, but you can't sacrifice your health for your future. And secondly, I don't think that working at Wal-Mart is a smart choice in order to provide yourself/family with health insurance.

The real tragedy is that every modern country has been able to provide healthcare to it's citizens, for less money than what we spend on only a fraction of the population. We are quite obviously doing something fundamentally wrong.

Health insurance isn't a necessity. You can live perfectly well without it. Certainly it's nice to have, but so are name brand clothes and digital cameras. You're setting up a false dilemma with this school vs. health insurance argument. Many people have both. Schools provide cheap insurance. And most students work at least a little bit to pay for things they want.

And you don't think that working at Wal-mart is a smart choice to provide you and your family with health insurance? This is exactly my point. You say you want[/i[] health insurance, but you in no way prioritize it. You're not willing to sacrifice anything for it. You're too good to work at Wal-mart, but you're perfectly fine taking the money out of my pocket to pay for what you want, but don't want to work for.

He and other people like him are already taking money out of your pocket by using the emergency room as the primary care office, by going on Medicaid or by going on disability due to illness. Secondly, the OP has said he's going to medical school, you really expect a person of that caliber intelligence to work as a cashier to get medical insurance? Medical insurance is not a nice thing to have, it's an absolute necessity. All it takes is one accident, one illness and you are financially fucked for a decade or more. It is in no way comparable to a digital camera.

 

[ebaycj]

Originally posted by: Engineer

Originally posted by: blackangst1


BTW My AETNA plan from work has no lifetime caps either. I guess its bullshit too?

My AETNA has a $1,000,000 lifetime cap. Doesn't matter, they won't pay the fucking bills so they will never reach it.

I hope nothing really bad ever happens to you. You'd be completely fucked.

 

[exar333]

Your 23, get a job.

/thread

 

[Dragula22]

Originally posted by: ExarKun333
Your 23, get a job.

/thread

QFT.

Seriously. I don't understand the entitlement mentality.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: Dragula22

Originally posted by: ExarKun333
Your 23, get a job.

/thread

QFT.

Seriously. I don't understand the entitlement mentality.

He's in school, geniuses. What job are you going to get on nights/weekends that's going to give you health care, are you nuts?

 

[MovingTarget]

Originally posted by: Dragula22

Originally posted by: ExarKun333
Your 23, get a job.

/thread

QFT.

Seriously. I don't understand the entitlement mentality.

Nice buzzword ya got there. Anyway, there are some programs that do not allow you to have an outside job - and when they do, they often limit how much time you can spend working. If you have a scholarship to law or med school, that can easily be the case. Even if they do not, do you really think that it is feasible in every case for a student to work? It isn't entitlement mentality, it is practicality.

 

[Fear No Evil]

Originally posted by: MovingTarget

Originally posted by: Dragula22

Originally posted by: ExarKun333
Your 23, get a job.

/thread

QFT.

Seriously. I don't understand the entitlement mentality.

Nice buzzword ya got there. Anyway, there are some programs that do not allow you to have an outside job - and when they do, they often limit how much time you can spend working. If you have a scholarship to law or med school, that can easily be the case. Even if they do not, do you really think that it is feasible in every case for a student to work? It isn't entitlement mentality, it is practicality.

So maybe the schools should address this problem? The OP is probably paying 10's of thousands of dollars a year to the school, force the student not to work or limit their work, but the problem is with INSURANCE companies? I don't see anyone complaining about the massive amount of money spent on education to pales in comparison to insurance.

But! But! Education isn't making people die. Hmm.. IT ISN'T? By forcing students to pay 10's of thousands a year and not providing them a way of being able to purchase healthcare. Maybe the SCHOOLS are the problem? Maybe instead of socializing our healthcare program we can pass some sort of law which will help students such as the OP take some of the massive amounts of money going to his school and reroute it to healthcare costs? IE, lets fix the problems and not fix a problem which is not there for many Americans.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil

So maybe the schools should address this problem? The OP is probably paying 10's of thousands of dollars a year to the school, force the student not to work or limit their work, but the problem is with INSURANCE companies? I don't see anyone complaining about the massive amount of money spent on education to pales in comparison to insurance.

But! But! Education isn't making people die. Hmm.. IT ISN'T? By forcing students to pay 10's of thousands a year and not providing them a way of being able to purchase healthcare. Maybe the SCHOOLS are the problem? Maybe instead of socializing our healthcare program we can pass some sort of law which will help students such as the OP take some of the massive amounts of money going to his school and reroute it to healthcare costs? IE, lets fix the problems and not fix a problem which is not there for many Americans.

I like how the insurance company's unaffordable product is somehow the school's fault.

 

[Fear No Evil]

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil

Spend trillions just because things aren't OK for a small amount of Americans! This game is fun!

Much of those trillions is already spent supporting the current fucked up system.

And we're talking about fellow human beings, death, suffering & disability....

But what the heck, let them die, it's natural selection, right?

"And if they would rather die, they had better do it, and decrease the surplus population."

No, you're talking about the lives of AMERICAN Human beings. See, in your quest to take the moral high ground, you've already eliminated like 90+% of the human beings on the planet. You are such a morally superior person who will care for any human.. oh wait, unless that human comes from Somalia.. then fuck them.. let them die.

So unless you support providing healthcare for ANY human being, regardless of age, sex, country, race, etc.. you ARE ignoring human suffering death and disability. So take your moral high ground and shove it.

 

[Carmen813]

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil

Originally posted by: MovingTarget

Originally posted by: Dragula22

Originally posted by: ExarKun333
Your 23, get a job.

/thread

QFT.

Seriously. I don't understand the entitlement mentality.

Nice buzzword ya got there. Anyway, there are some programs that do not allow you to have an outside job - and when they do, they often limit how much time you can spend working. If you have a scholarship to law or med school, that can easily be the case. Even if they do not, do you really think that it is feasible in every case for a student to work? It isn't entitlement mentality, it is practicality.

So maybe the schools should address this problem? The OP is probably paying 10's of thousands of dollars a year to the school, force the student not to work or limit their work, but the problem is with INSURANCE companies? I don't see anyone complaining about the massive amount of money spent on education to pales in comparison to insurance.

But! But! Education isn't making people die. Hmm.. IT ISN'T? By forcing students to pay 10's of thousands a year and not providing them a way of being able to purchase healthcare. Maybe the SCHOOLS are the problem? Maybe instead of socializing our healthcare program we can pass some sort of law which will help students such as the OP take some of the massive amounts of money going to his school and reroute it to healthcare costs? IE, lets fix the problems and not fix a problem which is not there for many Americans.

Red Herring + Straw Man = Impressive.

Graduate schools do provide a way for students to purchase insurance, however, that insurance is provided by insurance companies and often isn't very good.