Linus takes a break

ultimatebob

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I think that Linus's old school "yell at and berate the developer until they fix their crummy code" mentality isn't compatible with the new generation of hyper sensitive millennial software developers. Enough people complained about how much their feelings were hurt by Linus and his friends until the community shoved a new Code Of Conduct down everyone's throats. That thing reads like something that Google or Apple's San Francisco based legal team would have written, and is basically political correctness run amok.

I'm telling ya... at some point, open source development projects are going to start fragmenting on political differences instead of just differences on new feature ideas. I, for one, am looking forward to version 1.0 of Trump Hat Linux
 

thecoolnessrune

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I think that Linus's old school "yell at and berate the developer until they fix their crummy code" mentality isn't compatible with the new generation of hyper sensitive millennial software developers. Enough people complained about how much their feelings were hurt by Linus and his friends until the community shoved a new Code Of Conduct down everyone's throats. That thing reads like something that Google or Apple's San Francisco based legal team would have written, and is basically political correctness run amok.

I'm telling ya... at some point, open source development projects are going to start fragmenting on political differences instead of just differences on new feature ideas. I, for one, am looking forward to version 1.0 of Trump Hat Linux

I think the above is difficult to acknowledge without also acknowledging that derision and berating someone is not making a point. It's just using the opportunity to vent your own frustrations, and in regards to making "good code", is entirely unnecessary. That's just logical. I always get a bit of chuckle when those who make irrational unnecessary emotional derisions are upset with those who take emotional responses to those emotional derisions. It's a giant bucket of hypocrisy.

You can still be a hard-ass on code without going out of your way to be insulting to the person behind it. Given the industry I'm guessing there's a lot of people on various spectrums who will be die-hard to justify illogical norms under the guise of it being rational.
 

whm1974

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I think the above is difficult to acknowledge without also acknowledging that derision and berating someone is not making a point. It's just using the opportunity to vent your own frustrations, and in regards to making "good code", is entirely unnecessary. That's just logical. I always get a bit of chuckle when those who make irrational unnecessary emotional derisions are upset with those who take emotional responses to those emotional derisions. It's a giant bucket of hypocrisy.

You can still be a hard-ass on code without going out of your way to be insulting to the person behind it. Given the industry I'm guessing there's a lot of people on various spectrums who will be die-hard to justify illogical norms under the guise of it being rational.
I just hope that "SJW" don't end up taking over the Linux Kernel and cause Linux to die a slow and painful death by driving out actual contributors that merely disagree with them.
 

Jovec

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Linus done screwed up. Perhaps this legion of master programmers who were turned off by Linus should go write their own kernel. They could even join Hurd development instead of starting from scratch. Linux is a technical marvel, but the real challenge has always been in focusing the efforts of so many disparate interests into something that is usable and effective.

What he should have said was more like: "I have come to understand that my personality can be abrasive and occasionally leads me to respond to issues with stronger language than I should. This is something that I am committed to improving. I regret that in those instances, my approach overshadowed my goal of maintaining the technical excellence that we have come to expect for Linux.

I will always insist on the higher programming standards for Linux and by definition this will mean that there are many people who, while eager and willing, do not yet possess the necessary experience and skill to be a kernel contributor. I encourage them to look to other software projects in which they make a difference and in time I hope to be able to include their efforts in the kernel. Linux has always been about developing a secure, stable, useful, multi-purpose operating system without regard to gender, race, or religion and we will continue focusing on efforts to that end. This is what has allowed Linux to be used on over a billion computers, smartphones, and countless other devices world-wide. Our only political concerns have been in delivering a free, open-source ecosystem to the world. Personal agendas, however noble, can at times lead to sub-optimal decisions on technical merit and must be kept out of Linux kernel development."
 
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whm1974

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Linus done screwed up. Perhaps this legion of master programmers who were turned off by Linus should go write their own kernel. They could even join Hurd development instead of starting from scratch. Linux is a technical marvel, but the real challenge has always been in focusing the efforts of so many disparate interests into something that is usable and effective.

What he should have said was more like: "I have come to understand that my personality can be abrasive and occasionally leads me to respond to issues with stronger language than I should. This is something that I am committed to improving. I regret that in those instances, my approach overshadowed my goal of maintaining the technical excellence that we have come to expect for Linux.

I will always insist on the higher programming standards for Linux and by definition this will mean that there are many people who, while eager and willing, do not yet possess the necessary experience and skill to be a kernel contributor. I encourage them to look to other software projects in which they make a difference and in time I hope to be able to include their efforts in the kernel. Linux has always been about developing a secure, stable, useful, multi-purpose operating system without regard to gender, race, or religion and we will continue focusing on efforts to that end. This is what has allowed Linux to be used on over a billion computers, smartphones, and countless other devices world-wide. Our only political concerns have been in delivering a free, open-source ecosystem to the world. Personal agendas, however noble, can at times lead to sub-optimal decisions on technical merit and must be kept out of Linux kernel development."
Well this Legion could also fork the Linux kernel and do their own work on it. But I kind of doubt that those folks will get very far.
 

BurnItDwn

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Hmm, when I read that article a few weeks ago I just figured that maybe Linus grew up and learned how to get along with people.
 

DigDog

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I came here to see if this thread exists .. and it does, unfortunately.

Unfortunately because i think it should be in P&N or OT as it is less about Linux and more about the CoC itself and the SJW being completely out of line. OT gathers far more views and this subject can interest people even if they do not use Linux themselves.

Gonna ask @Perknose if i can mirror it.

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Rifter

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Lets hope they dont piss Linus off to much because if they do and he pulls his code linux is dead, period.
 

sweenish

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That P&N thread devolved quickly. The CoC is like 1.5 pages. It boils down to Will Wheaton's first law of the Internet. If someone is abusing it, they are breaking it, it's literally that simple.

This has been the biggest non-issue of 2018, with BFV whiners coming in at a respectable 2nd place.
 
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