Linux SUCKS and should never be used by human beings.

[Sunner]

To someone entirely new to computers, neither Windows nor Linux(nor OS X for that matter) will make sense.
That's really how easy it is, they will be confused either way.

My grandma is a perfect example.
She's one of those elderly people who believe in staying up to date, and not just "lie down and die" as you get older, so she decided to get herself a computer and the usual things that go along with it(mail account, internet banking, etc).
I set her up with a cheapo computer running XP, mostly because I knew that she was gonna take a class where they'd be using either Win2K or XP.
And trust me on this one, to her it is NOT intuitive, because she knew absolutely NOTHING about it to begin with.
If a warning message pops up, she gets worried that she screwed everything up, I don't even want to think about her reaction if she got a bluescreen.
The same would hold true for Ubuntu, she would feel like a stranger in a strange land, any information popup would scare her, and yet it would do what she wanted it to.

Now, she's a good example, because unlike the vast majority of people, she's never used a computer at her job(she retired some 25 years ago, so computers weren't exactly on everyone's desk back in her day), so she has to learn absolutely everything from scratch.
And I don't believe there will ever be an OS that could make that learning experience "comfortable".

 

[smack Down]

Originally posted by: drag

Third Party Support for Unix based Commercial systems is pretty good. For gaming, its poor though. Methinks that's his point.

Yep thats about that.

If you think that Linux application support for the corporate world is limited your simply not paying attention.

Most popular software from amazon.com
TurboTax
Microsoft Office
QuickBooks Pro 2007
H&R Block Taxcut
Dragon NaturallySpeaking 9
Quicken Willmaker Plus 2007
Quicken Home & Business 2007
Microsoft OneNote 2007
Final Draft 7 Professional Scriptwriting
Adobe Acrobat 8.0 Professional
Microsoft Works 8.0
ScanSoft PDF Converter Professional 4
Microsoft Publisher 2007
Corel WordPerfect Office X3
Palo Alto Business Plan Pro 2007
FileMaker Pro 8.5
Norton Save & Restore
Microsoft Visual Studio
Quicken Rental Property Manager 2.0
Movie Magic Screenwriter 4.7
TypingMaster/SpeedSkin Edition
OpenOffice.org 2.0.4
ACT! 2006
Microsoft Money 2007 Home and Business

Of the list of software I think that open office is the only one that supports linux.

 

[Noema]

Originally posted by: Sunner
To someone entirely new to computers, neither Windows nor Linux(nor OS X for that matter) will make sense.
That's really how easy it is, they will be confused either way.

This is mostly true. We seem to have forgotten that now since computers have become so mainstream in the last few years.

However, I remember trying to teach my mother, a long time house wife, how to double click the first time she sat on the computer (Windows 95). The concept was so alien to her, and she had a hard time getting the timing right. Not only that: she couldn't really understand when she was supposed to single click, and when she had to double click.

And trying to find the path for the floppy drive when she wanted to save a document on a disk...forget it! People find Windows intuitive because that's what they've been using for years.

Yet I'm a bit puzzled when people say Linux is unintuitive...how can a simple apt-get command can be more unintuitive than having to wory about paths, uninstalling older software, having to find mirrors, deleting executables a la WIndows way?

 

[smack Down]

Originally posted by: Noema

Originally posted by: Sunner
To someone entirely new to computers, neither Windows nor Linux(nor OS X for that matter) will make sense.
That's really how easy it is, they will be confused either way.

This is mostly true. We seem to have forgotten that now since computers have become so mainstream in the last few years.

However, I remember trying to teach my mother, a long time house wife, how to double click the first time she sat on the computer (Windows 95). The concept was so alien to her, and she had a hard time getting the timing right. Not only that: she couldn't really understand when she was supposed to single click, and when she had to double click.

And trying to find the path for the floppy drive when she wanted to save a document on a disk...forget it! People find Windows intuitive because that's what they've been using for years.

Yet I'm a bit puzzled when people say Linux is unintuitive...how can a simple apt-get command can be more unintuitive than having to wory about paths, uninstalling older software, having to find mirrors, deleting executables a la WIndows way?

Most people install windows software by putting a cd in their drive wait a few seconds click install, next, next, finish.

The other common way to install software is just download a file, double click on it click next, a few times and finish.

Apt-get is a good system until you don't know the name of the program, don't know which program you want to install, the program isn't in the distro repository, you want to sell a program, etc.

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: smack Down
Most people install windows software by putting a cd in their drive wait a few seconds click install, next, next, finish.

The other common way to install software is just download a file, double click on it click next, a few times and finish.

Apt-get is a good system until you don't know the name of the program, don't know which program you want to install, the program isn't in the distro repository, you want to sell a program, etc.

How does the Windows way work when you don't know the name of the program you want to install?

There is nothing wrong with a commercial company creating a proprietary program and packaging it under dpkg or whatever. A lot of companies create install scripts, and include that information in the documentation for the software (inside cd cover maybe?). Simply run the script and everything gets installed. Similar to how it works on Windows...

 

[nweaver]

Originally posted by: smack Down

Originally posted by: drag

Third Party Support for Unix based Commercial systems is pretty good. For gaming, its poor though. Methinks that's his point.

Yep thats about that.

If you think that Linux application support for the corporate world is limited your simply not paying attention.

Most popular software from amazon.com
TurboTax
Microsoft Office
QuickBooks Pro 2007
H&R Block Taxcut
Dragon NaturallySpeaking 9
Quicken Willmaker Plus 2007
Quicken Home & Business 2007
Microsoft OneNote 2007
Final Draft 7 Professional Scriptwriting
Adobe Acrobat 8.0 Professional
Microsoft Works 8.0
ScanSoft PDF Converter Professional 4
Microsoft Publisher 2007
Corel WordPerfect Office X3
Palo Alto Business Plan Pro 2007
FileMaker Pro 8.5
Norton Save & Restore
Microsoft Visual Studio
Quicken Rental Property Manager 2.0
Movie Magic Screenwriter 4.7
TypingMaster/SpeedSkin Edition
OpenOffice.org 2.0.4
ACT! 2006
Microsoft Money 2007 Home and Business

Of the list of software I think that open office is the only one that supports linux.

90% of that list is niche or crap (please, Norton has not made a decent product in YEARS).

Go into the Debian repositories and you will see tons of linux only apps, that are comparable to all that, only (OMG!!1!) free, and usually less buggy.

 

[smack Down]

Originally posted by: nweaver

Originally posted by: smack Down

Originally posted by: drag

Third Party Support for Unix based Commercial systems is pretty good. For gaming, its poor though. Methinks that's his point.

Yep thats about that.

If you think that Linux application support for the corporate world is limited your simply not paying attention.

Most popular software from amazon.com
TurboTax
Microsoft Office
QuickBooks Pro 2007
H&R Block Taxcut
Dragon NaturallySpeaking 9
Quicken Willmaker Plus 2007
Quicken Home & Business 2007
Microsoft OneNote 2007
Final Draft 7 Professional Scriptwriting
Adobe Acrobat 8.0 Professional
Microsoft Works 8.0
ScanSoft PDF Converter Professional 4
Microsoft Publisher 2007
Corel WordPerfect Office X3
Palo Alto Business Plan Pro 2007
FileMaker Pro 8.5
Norton Save & Restore
Microsoft Visual Studio
Quicken Rental Property Manager 2.0
Movie Magic Screenwriter 4.7
TypingMaster/SpeedSkin Edition
OpenOffice.org 2.0.4
ACT! 2006
Microsoft Money 2007 Home and Business

Of the list of software I think that open office is the only one that supports linux.

90% of that list is niche or crap (please, Norton has not made a decent product in YEARS).

Go into the Debian repositories and you will see tons of linux only apps, that are comparable to all that, only (OMG!!1!) free, and usually less buggy.

The quality of the software doesn't matter the point is there is almost zero support for 3rd party consumer software.

 

[nweaver]

have you ever peeked inside Synaptic after enabling contrib and non-free archives in Debian? Or univers/multiverse in Ubuntu?

 

[Nothinman]

The quality of the software doesn't matter the point is there is almost zero support for 3rd party consumer software.

You have that backwards, there are less 3rd parties supporting Linux not vice versa. But I couldn't care less because the quality does matter and I don't need any of that crap that you listed.

 

[drag]

Go into the Debian repositories and you will see tons of linux only apps, that are comparable to all that, only (OMG!!1!) free, and usually less buggy.

The quality of the software doesn't matter the point is there is almost zero support for 3rd party consumer software.[/quote]


The point that matters is that you can get online versions of the tax and financial software. (which is the same as the boxed sets, except is substantially more inexpensive) And for the stuff you can't.. there are only a few things that are tough to get on Linux. And more often then not they realy aren't that tough to find or aren't that hard to get going Not that the majority of Linux users have a desire or need to touch that stuff.

Anyways, that's nice that you originally brought up a point that was unrelated completely from the original point that I made, (which is why Redhat is so much more popular in some circles then other Linux versions was due to the certification and support options that only Redhat has. Nothing to do with Windows) but yet you still go on defending it.

And then you act like having a crapload of free software alternatives for commonly used applications instead of forcing people to purchase stuff from amazon.com for the same functionality is a bad thing.

 

[Tarrant64]

Is it me or are a 3rd of those applicatinos listed above meant for Microsoft Windows, and not Linux?

 

[drag]

Originally posted by: ShawnD1

Originally posted by: drag
But does remote desktop support 3D acceleration?

According to some guy on a forum, no it does not.

That's a little bit different then what I was talking about.

With what I am talking about is that you have applications running on a remote computer, but being accelerated locally.

For instance, just to test out AIGLX, I ran Return to Castle Wolfenstein on my server and had it full screen on my desktop. It was running over a gigabit network and through a ssh tunnel. I was getting around 30-60fps with full screen 1280x1024 resolution at highest video quality.

Essentially the 3d OpenGL application was running on the remote machine using it's cpu, memory, and disk space while the game was being rendered locally.

My server doesn't even _have_ a video card. No onboard, pci, or agp card at all. No vga port or nothing.

I also tested running OpenGL applications over wireless and between powerpc and 32bit machines. Works fine, although the mouse gets pretty laggy.

I think that Citrix has a module to allow opengl applications to work remotely on Windows, but I don't know anything about directx.

 

[Doom Machine]

Originally posted by: Hyperblaze

Originally posted by: Doom Machine

Originally posted by: Nothinman

"C:\Windows\System32" makes sense too, though they are not all in that directory.

That and MS dumped a whole lot more than just binaries in there, there's virtually no organization.

whats not organized? all the temporary files in a folder called Temp no less, cache for cache? real hard, no sense in seperating windows required files outside of a single folder.

programs in programs folder....holy $hit imagine that.
user folder for each individual...i can only imagine that chaos if they all used the same folder

then you applications....windows mail (gee wonder what that does) Internet Explorer (could i possibly explore the internet with this?) windows journal (can i write memoirs here?)

nontheless i never had an application/game/video or nothing that required me to dig into the windows folder anyway, so other than nibbing most people in general should have no business in it

you should actually try using the OS your speaking of, it might help.

so basically, it's up to YOU to dictate what actions users can have when using Windows?

show me where i "dictated" anyone specifically that you MUST use windows this way or use it at all? i mentioned a fact about windows, its not a lie, look at vista,theres 3 main folders and all organized....and what did that have to do with what you quoted me on which was orginization?

Have you ever heard yourself speak? Get it through your damn head. Not everyone is like you or thinks like you (Thank Goodness for that). The Windows operating system seems to be perfect for you. Go ahead and use it. Other folks have different perceptions of Windows and Linux and will use whatever the heck they need to get the job done.

lol, thats funny, your response had nothign to do with the quote.

There's no sense in reasoning with you, you are a pure windows fanatic.

assumptions are we? i have 2 copies of linux, 1 on another ocmputer atm, i have 1 imac, i still have my amiga 500 and 1 XP and 1 Vista

you would have learned that i have 5 computers and whats on them if you bothered to read any of my previous posts which you have obviously not.
also you should read what this thread is basically since you must be new here...its more or less a linux vs windows arguemnt, you could in fact literally quote most of what you said against some of these other members who favor linux....listen to yourself speak...duh

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[ShawnD1]

Originally posted by: drag
Essentially the 3d OpenGL application was running on the remote machine using it's cpu, memory, and disk space while the game was being rendered locally.

That's pretty interesting. It's the exact opposite of what I would try to do in my own network, but that's still pretty damn awesome.

(I'm trying to setup a home network full of slow expensive dummy terminals in order to keep costs down. Remote Desktop can basically do this, and the sound works great, but lack of video rendering makes videos unplayable)

 

[kevnich2]

The OP I think in all of our opinions is a lazy idiot. You say you never had to learn Windows, wrong. You've just used windows for much longer and you figured out how it's put together. I myself am just trying to learn linux because I refuse to go to Vista because of all the control Microsoft is taking away from the user. I agree with everyone else, Linux isn't like Windows, it's just different. Things that you did with Windows you'll have to "relearn". Most things are actually easier once you figure out how it's done in Linux. GUI's are nice and all, but to a degree their kind of limiting. They don't give all the control that a simple command line will give. There isn't ANYTHING you can't do from a command line and 9 out of 10 times, it's much faster than a GUI. If you don't like a free OS, then fine, go to Windows. Microsoft craves people like you who'll pay hundreds upon hundreds of $$$ simply because you won't put a little work into it and stop being lazy. Eventually you'll have to go to Vista and IMO, the learning curve for vista is about the same as linux. So I'm going to use my time to study up on all of the linux how-to's and books rather than using my time for learning vista.

 

[Quinton McLeod]

Originally posted by: kevnich2
The OP I think in all of our opinions is a lazy idiot. You say you never had to learn Windows, wrong. You've just used windows for much longer and you figured out how it's put together. I myself am just trying to learn linux because I refuse to go to Vista because of all the control Microsoft is taking away from the user. I agree with everyone else, Linux isn't like Windows, it's just different. Things that you did with Windows you'll have to "relearn". Most things are actually easier once you figure out how it's done in Linux. GUI's are nice and all, but to a degree their kind of limiting. They don't give all the control that a simple command line will give. There isn't ANYTHING you can't do from a command line and 9 out of 10 times, it's much faster than a GUI. If you don't like a free OS, then fine, go to Windows. Microsoft craves people like you who'll pay hundreds upon hundreds of $$$ simply because you won't put a little work into it and stop being lazy. Eventually you'll have to go to Vista and IMO, the learning curve for vista is about the same as linux. So I'm going to use my time to study up on all of the linux how-to's and books rather than using my time for learning vista.

You can't browse porn on the internet on the command line

 

[Nothinman]

You can't browse porn on the internet on the command line

Sure you can, there's image and video viewers that support the Linu framebuffer console.