Linux SUCKS and should never be used by human beings.

[xSauronx]

Originally posted by: xtknight

Originally posted by: Tick
1) Cooking. Learned by trial and error. Think I've made maybe 2 unedible meals ever.

Did you happen to get any third degree burns? I'm surprised you didn't just try and jump into the stove to see what happens. You must have known better, right? I wonder why you did.

the way hes acting i almost wonder why someone didnt *force* him into the stove

he needs some xanax or something

 

[yuchai]

Originally posted by: Tick

Originally posted by: yuchai
First question to OP: Name one valuable skill that you have that did not require you to spend time reading about or have anyone teach you.

Second question to OP: When you started using Windows, did you have to install it yourself from scratch and also had to setup an FTP server right away?

Third question to OP: When "fumbling with Windows" to figure things out, did you end up with an unusable Windows installation at least once?

1) Cooking. Learned by trial and error. Think I've made maybe 2 unedible meals ever.

2) No, but I did install software right away. Besides, I was like 7 at the time.

3) I've never killed my install.

1. Before you started cooking, you have never eaten any food before? You have never seen someone cook before? You have never heard anyone talk about cooking methods before? Point is, you spent more time on it than you think you had.

2. Well, you partially proved my point here. I mean, what you're trying to do here (setting up an ftp server) isn't exactly a regular desktop activity. I bet most people who use Windows on a regular basis don't know how to share a file on a LAN.

3. You're either not being truthful or are very very lucky. But not everyone is as lucky as you are. Personally I have done it many times when trying to "figure things out" in Windows. No doubt the probability of it happening would have been much lower if I just read about it or if someone showed me how to do it.

 

[montypythizzle]

u have to admit router config and linux are most annoying things in IT

oh... they both use CLIs

 

[BurnItDwn]

It's not that cooking is hard; It's that I'm too lazy to wash the dishes. BSD for life!

 

[Brazen]

Originally posted by: Tick

Originally posted by: xtknight

Originally posted by: ShawnD1

Originally posted by: Brazen
What could be easier than typing "sudo apt-get install packagename?"

The answer to your question is simple: how did you know that command in the first place? When I first tried Linux, I couldn't get anything done simply because it required detailed knowledge of commands that I couldn't possibly know without being told. root? ls? compile? How the hell am I supposed to know these? Even simple things like logging in and out are difficult if you don't know the commands.

The point is, nothing's hard if you put forth the effort.

Anybody can type "sudo apt-get install program". It's very easy to do.

Where did we find it in the first place? We read the many beginners guides on the net for Ubuntu. We came to know this command because we saw it so much and then became curious about what exactly it does. We learned that it installed a program from a big database, and now we know how it can be of great benefit to us in the real world. We also learned that we could browse that database by using a package called Synaptic.

This is a good place to start: <a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="https://help.ubuntu.com/6.10/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/index.html"><a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="https://help.ubuntu.com/6.10/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/index.html"><a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="https://help.ubuntu.com/6.10/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/index.html"><a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="https://help.ubuntu.com/6.10/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/index.html">https://help.ubuntu.com/6.10/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/index.html</a></a></a></a>

The point the OP was trying to make is that you can give a Windows or Mac OS computer to some idiot who has never used a computer before, and they can learn things by poking around. You can learn Windows or Mac all by yourself, but you can't learn Linux unless you have text books and a large support group.

You can do some things in Linux by poking around too. If you just want to browse the internet, do e-mail, or instant message you're all set. If you want to get your printer working in Windows (and it's not supported by default), good luck poking around doing that when you don't know what a "driver" is. But honestly if people have no desire to learn then they have nobody to blame but themselves. I'm not blaming my oven because I burnt my cookies. You can poke around and get by if you want to do primitive things. You can't expect to keep doing that if you want to take full advantage of the system.

You keep missing the point! I shouldn't have to read anything to use an OS! I didn't have to read anything to use windows, linux should be the same way! I should be able to do anything without having to consult a guide or ask someone! I shouldn't have to know that I need the apt-get command to install ******! It should be all obvious!

You are right, and you DON'T need to. That is what Synaptic is for. You set a person down in front of an Ubuntu box, someone who knows nothing about computers, and they have all the same gui tools and abilities that they can poke around in and make full use of their computer. You don't have to know the apt-get command, you can use Synaptic, which it's use IS obvious, but apt-get is there for when you are ready for more power and more efficiency. You don't need to know any command line and you can get around in Ubuntu just fine.

 

[yuchai]

Bottom line is: you did not know a thing about Linux before you dived right into it, yet had irrational expectations that you already know a whole lot about it. You did not have a "learning" mentality at all, which you certainly did have when you started using Windows.

Also, you keep mentioning that you prefer learning by experimentation. Nothing wrong with that, except that some things just can't be learned easily by experimentation alone. Had you spent the 6 hours reading up on how Ubuntu works instead of trying to "fiddle with it", there's a good chance that you would have got it up and running already.

 

[imported_Tick]

I'd just like to say that it now works fine on windows.

 

[bersl2]

Perhaps I am wrong, but you have no patience and no humility.

The very first thing I tried to do with a Linux distro was to try to follow instructions for installing an old version onto a machine that I thought had 16MB RAM, but in fact had 4MB. It was an exercise in futility, I was in over my head, etc. However, I responded with patience. When I later decided to try to install a newer version on my main machine, the task was comparatively much easier. I think that you are not viewing things from the proper perspective.

Also, one thing that working with Linux has taught me is that 90% of the time that something doesn't work right, it's my fault, and that 90% of the time something goes wrong, I can fix it, work around it, or otherwise avoid the problem. Because Windows is so opaque, I could never understand what was going on, and I would always blame somebody else; however, now that I understand how I am actually in control of my system, I am all the wiser. I believe that you could benefit from this quality as well.

But if you don't like, that's OK. Maybe it's not for you. But you shouldn't get angry at Linux because it does not conform to your expectations; if somebody made you do this, bug them; otherwise, just move on.

In conclusion, I would like to thank you for your having thrown a trollish temper tantrum tonight, for it has imbued me with resolve---you have shown me that even if I accidentally insulted somebody else, promised to apologize, but cowardly still haven't done so for several days, it can always be worse.

 

[M00T]

The OPs post obviously indicates that the extent of his computer usage is pr0n, games and email. He doesn't deserve the power of Linux and should be kept locked away by his inferior closed source OS. I'll start caring about his opinion when he starts contributing something worthwhile to computer science.

Edit:

Oh, I forget to congratulate the OP on his well executed trolling. Way to be a shill.

 

[pcgeek11]

This is one funny thread!

Tick, you act like a moron... You are acting, right?

pcgeek11

 

[kedlav]

Originally posted by: Tick
Linux SUCKS. Why? Because:

1) Command lines/Lack of GUI's

Why the fvck would I want to use a command line? I have a modern computer, capable of displaying color and icons. Why should their be a command line? And further, why doesn't everything have a gui? Gui's are good, and easy, and don't require me to learn commands. Yey for Gui's.

2)Root/sudo is stupid.

Why on earth should I have to deal with either using sudo or running as root to actually use my programs? I still can't get a lot of programs to run because they keep whining about permissions. What ever happened to good old admin accounts? Why does sudo break everything?

3)Apt-get

Now this is just plane stupid. Why is it so damn hard to install anything? I have a desktop, why not do it the way it should be done? I get the installer icon, click on it, press forward a few times, wait, and have a nice icon on my desktop. Why isn't it done this way?

4)Compiling

Again, stupid. Just give me a fvcking installer program. None of this compiling sh1t.




Come on Linux. The rest of the world has moved beyond 1990. It's time for you to do so also. I'm giving up and installing windows.

I'd like to say first that I started working on Linux for the first time about 3 months ago. I had no prior experience with Linux at all, just some distant recollections of working with dos as a little kid at school. In the past three months working in an IT firm that runs hundreds of Unix boxes in three different flavors, I've learned to love the OS in ways windows can't even compare to. While it can be a pain in the arse to figure out commands when you've no clue whatsoever, once you get over the initial hurdles, the benefits are huge.

1.) GUI's aren't a requirement, they're an interface designed to make things simple for the simple who would be scared away from a command line interface. CLI's are extremely more powerful tools that can be used quickly and efficiently by an experienced user. Additionally, there are gui's you can use.

2.) Root/Sudo is a huge, huge advantage Linux has over windows. Restricting use gives you ABSOLUTE control over your system, meaning your threat risk from hackers/rootkits/etc. is virtually nil. Additionally, root is the ultimate admin account, giving complete control. There's a reason its called the SUPERUSER.

3.) Again, GUI/simplicity whining. The commands are easy to learn for installing and its fairly simple to set up just about anything, and you sure as hell won't get a rootkit installed compliments of Sony...

All's I see is whining from someone who's lazy. I've used no text books, no web sites, etc. yet I can function 40 hours a week working on a ton of unix boxes. Take the plunge, learn the system, stfu, or write your own damn OS

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: kedlavTake the plunge, learn the system, stfu, or write your own damn OS

Hehehe... If this was OT someone would snag that and put it in their sig.

 

[Nothinman]

u have to admit router config and linux are most annoying things in IT

oh... they both use CLIs

And once you actually understand how to use them they're also some of the most convenient things in IT. You know how we configured routers at my last company? Grab another router's config that's similar, edit the addresses and possibly any other changes that are necessary for the new router in wordpad, login to the new router, paste the new config, wr mem, reboot. Initial setup just took you probably 5 minutes, try doing that with a GUI or Web interface.

 

[aidanjm]

this thread is ridiculous

 

[Nothinman]

this thread is ridiculous

Actually what's ridiculous is someone complaining about how horrible a product is that he got for free and has the means to fix. If someone gave you a free can of New Coke and you hated it, would you start whining about how terrible it was and how you're never accepting any free drinks from them again?

 

[Bateluer]

Originally posted by: Tick
Linux SUCKS. Why? Because:

1) Command lines/Lack of GUI's

Why the fvck would I want to use a command line? I have a modern computer, capable of displaying color and icons. Why should their be a command line? And further, why doesn't everything have a gui? Gui's are good, and easy, and don't require me to learn commands. Yey for Gui's.

2)Root/sudo is stupid.

Why on earth should I have to deal with either using sudo or running as root to actually use my programs? I still can't get a lot of programs to run because they keep whining about permissions. What ever happened to good old admin accounts? Why does sudo break everything?

3)Apt-get

Now this is just plane stupid. Why is it so damn hard to install anything? I have a desktop, why not do it the way it should be done? I get the installer icon, click on it, press forward a few times, wait, and have a nice icon on my desktop. Why isn't it done this way?

4)Compiling

Again, stupid. Just give me a fvcking installer program. None of this compiling sh1t.




Come on Linux. The rest of the world has moved beyond 1990. It's time for you to do so also. I'm giving up and installing windows.

While I agree with everything you said, you are going to get lynched by a number of people on these boards, if you haven't already. Not gonna read 110 posts to find out.

But, you are dead right. If Linux wants to have a future as a dominant desktop OS, it needs to address everything you said.

 

[Brazen]

Originally posted by: Bateluer


But, you are dead right. If Linux wants to have a future as a dominant desktop OS, it needs to address everything you said.

The problem is, everything he mentioned are not things that HAVE to be used. You can do anything you need to in a GUI on Ubuntu. Those command line tools are just more powerful ways of getting things done. If you don't want to use them, then don't; do everything in the GUI. If those tools were taken out to keep id10ts like you from whining, then they would be taking a step BACKWARDS and making a lot of people mad (but thankfully due to the open source nature, such stupid moves could never have a big impact, unlike the proprietary software world).

Secondly, "Linux" doesn't care if it's the dominant desktop OS. Most of it's developers are unpaid. Linux caters to a certain group of people - people who like having more power over their system than what is available on Windows. If you are not one of those people, than fine, shell out your money to Windows and proprietary applications. The F/OSS community gains nothing from you, so it doesn't care if you mooch off it or not, and they are not going to remove some of their best features just so you don't have anything to whine about.

 

[foolfromhell]

If Linux sucked, the chances of the anandtech forums running on linux are huge.
You wouldnt even be posting if Linux sucked

 

[Maximilian]

Yea linux sucks, get yourself windows 98 bro :thumbsup:

With 98 you know its great!

 

[Cogman]

Originally posted by: Nothinman

this thread is ridiculous

Actually what's ridiculous is someone complaining about how horrible a product is that he got for free and has the means to fix. If someone gave you a free can of New Coke and you hated it, would you start whining about how terrible it was and how you're never accepting any free drinks from them again?

Your right, to take the analogy further, its like they are complaining not about the coke itself but being unable to take the lid off (an important feature that keeps the coke good) they just want to have plain paper cups that get the fluid to their mouths.

Anyways, The arguments for linux sucking are in themselves dumb. These are the things which make linux so strong (and to some extent exist in windows but are less visible). Really, you don't have to see the console in linux if you don't want to, but it is way more powerful then Dos ever was, and more useful to the advanced users.

 

[fraquar]

Originally posted by: Bateluer.....But, you are dead right. If Linux wants to have a future as a dominant desktop OS, it needs to address everything you said.

Thats probably one of the biggest misconceptions about Linux - it never has been developed with that purpose in mind. Still, Linux is a global OS - running in everything from Cell Phones to Toasters and Refrigerators to Space Craft - as well as desptop computers and servers. In fact, theres easily a contingent that hopes it never becomes a mainstream OS like Windows - they'd rather not have to cater to people who care less about the OS to begin with and certainly don't want to see Linux "dumbed down" to suit the masses.

Linux is an alternative (it's certainly not developed to be a replacement to Windows) - and despite the recent advances in GUI desktops, Linux is a Power Users OS first and formost. Those that are patient learn to tap into the power that OS posseses and Windows so-called "Power Users" have nowhere close to that capability. Lets see a Windows user compile not only their Kernel to their specific processor but also any software package they choose to run on that OS to boot - all optimized to take full advantage of the processor they are using on their system - regardless of processor.

Yeah, Linux isn't for everybody, but then again what is to someone who spends less than 6 hours total with it? It's good enough to run the International Space Station, create Toy Story but naw, it's still not ready for mainstream Windows users. Newsflash, it will NEVER be ready for mainstream Windows users - certainly not those who refuse to even take the time to actually learn how to use it.

Doesn't mean Linux SUCKS - just expounds upon the ignorance of the OP.

 

[Tom]

Linux doesn't suck.

Linux users suck.

 

[Canterwood]

Maybe the OP is the Link19 of the Linux world. :Q

Anyway, just use Windows instead.

Sorted.

 

[Markbnj]

If Linux sucked, the chances of the anandtech forums running on linux are huge.
You wouldnt even be posting if Linux sucked

Anandtech forums run on ASP.Net (FuseTalk Enterprise), which is a Windows server-side page generation technology.

 

[ShawnD1]

Originally posted by: minofifa
I've stopped supporting one and trying to use it 100% of the time and have turned to VMWare. I run linux virtually inside windows XP and love it. it works for me.

I do this too, and I love VMWare because of it. Test different operating systems without leaving the comfort zone of an OS I already know

Anandtech forums run on ASP.Net (FuseTalk Enterprise), which is a Windows server-side page generation technology

I was going to say this as well.