Linux SUCKS and should never be used by human beings.

[Oceandevi]

1. I have never used linux and now I never will

2. You guys make it sound like a religion.

3. I love my mouse!!!

 

[montypythizzle]

hmm what is the MOST GUI filled linux?

 

[dighn]

Originally posted by: Tick

Originally posted by: dighn
1) there are multiple GUI choices, and commandline is still better for some things
2) looks like Vista is taking the same approach. there must be something good about it eh?
3/4) there are many ways of installing. You don't have to compile things. the thing with linux is that there are many distributions with various ways of doing the same thing. I agree that this is annoying to deal with and they really should standardize things so there is only ONE standard.

1) Name 1.
2) XP is perfect, except for the occasional security problem, and lack of DX 10. I think Vista does a lot of stupid things.
3) Exactly. I do not want to hunt around for sh1t. Everything should be obvious, and so stupidly simple and optionless that a 6 year old could do it.

1) KDE and GNOME
2) it's there to protect you, both from malicious outsiders and yourself. it's very easy to mess up your system completely under command line. personally I consider myself careful enough to not need it, but then I've never really actually used linux for everyday tasks for prolonged periods (I just play with it). On the other hand XP is admin always and I'm fine with it as are most people. I think it's debatable whether this sort of security is necessary.
If you don't like it, you can always log in as root or give your normal account near root privileges
3) One of my biggest pet peeves about Linux is the lack of standards. I hate the arbitrary freedom that simply makes it more work to use.

 

[imported_Tick]

Originally posted by: tranceport
1) The most advanced computers in the world do not use a GUI....

2) Login as root if you think you are good enough not to screw up anything.

3) Apt-get works great for me. I also have no problems compiling from source.

4) See 3. Programs that were compiled for my needs are great.



I think the problem here is you just aren't bright enough to make your way through a unix environment. You are for the time being a Microsoft person. Come on... Even the mac guys are using unix these days....

Linux is not a replacement for your Microsoft windows box if you do not have the patience to make it that way.

1)Am I running a data center or supercomputer center? No.

2)I should be able to screw anything up. Windows does a nice job of holding me back and makeing it damn hard to fvck with anything I shouldn't be ****** with.

3)Good for you.

4)Why on earth would I want to compile stuff. That's what options are for.

Using an OS should not require intelligence or skill. Any properly programmed OS is usable by someone with 0 minute of training and an IQ of 85. And anyway, I'm not looking for a replacement for my windows box. I just wanted a functional OS where I could install a few programs. But aparently that's too much to ask.

 

[everman]

Originally posted by: montypythizzle
hmm what is the MOST GUI filled linux?

Ubuntu is really easy to use.

 

[imported_Tick]

Originally posted by: Tauren
I use Debian on 3 computers at my house. I don't care for it, but try Ubuntu it's made so easy monkey's can use it.

I'm using ubuntu. I am apparently not smart enough to use it. This despite the fact that I can get an A in Calc 3.

 

[theprodigalrebel]

Most Linux distros are not aimed at consumers who want it to work out of the box. You should know that before you install it and be prepared to spend a hell of a lot time in a book or a Linux for Newbies type forum.

I used Mandrake 9.0 a loong time ago for two weeks for this silly reason: my RAM was dying and I was too broke to buy new RAM. XP would BSOD 10 minutes after booting up and I knew the RAM would finally just croak. I just needed the PC to surf the web and work on a few documents and spreadsheets. Linux would work for about 40-50 minutes before locking up.

I hope to reinstall Linux once again and figure out what the hell has half the world giddy about it. I really do.

 

[imported_Tick]

Originally posted by: everman
Which distro are you using? Which gui?

Ubuntu.

 

[Pepsi90919]

linux will not compensate for your stupidity and laziness.

 

[Pepsi90919]

Originally posted by: Tick

Originally posted by: everman
Which distro are you using? Which gui?

Ubuntu.

that's a linux distribution, not a GUI

 

[Tauren]

Originally posted by: Tick
I'm using ubuntu. I am apparently not smart enough to use it. This despite the fact that I can get an A in Calc 3.

Common sense and math skills aren't the same thing. Maybe you are over complicating things.

 

[imported_Tick]

Originally posted by: dighn

Originally posted by: Tick

Originally posted by: dighn
1) there are multiple GUI choices, and commandline is still better for some things
2) looks like Vista is taking the same approach. there must be something good about it eh?
3/4) there are many ways of installing. You don't have to compile things. the thing with linux is that there are many distributions with various ways of doing the same thing. I agree that this is annoying to deal with and they really should standardize things so there is only ONE standard.

1) Name 1.
2) XP is perfect, except for the occasional security problem, and lack of DX 10. I think Vista does a lot of stupid things.
3) Exactly. I do not want to hunt around for sh1t. Everything should be obvious, and so stupidly simple and optionless that a 6 year old could do it.

1) KDE and GNOME
2) it's there to protect you, both from malicious outsiders and yourself. it's very easy to mess up your system completely under command line. personally I consider myself careful enough to not need it, but then I've never really actually used linux for everyday tasks for prolonged periods. On the other hand XP is admin always and I'm fine with it as are most people. I think it's debatable whether this sort of security is necessary.
If you don't like it, you can always log in as root or give your normal account near root privileges
3) One of my biggest pet peeves about Linux is the lack of standards. I hate the arbitrary freedom that simply makes it more work to use.

1) I meant one advantage to a command line.
2)Windows protects me from myself, and doesn't require a command line or a program-cripiling account type.

 

[Pepsi90919]

Originally posted by: Tick

Originally posted by: Tauren
I use Debian on 3 computers at my house. I don't care for it, but try Ubuntu it's made so easy monkey's can use it.

I'm using ubuntu. I am apparently not smart enough to use it. This despite the fact that I can get an A in Calc 3.

do they teach linux in Calc 3 now?

 

[MercenaryForHire]

1) Command lines/Lack of GUI's
I spend a lot of time at the command line in any OS; I like having a powerful shell as an additional interface choice.
Some things work well with a GUI, some work well with a command line.

2) Root/sudo is stupid.
So stupid, in fact, that OSX has gone and Vista is going the route of prompting for user permissions.

3) Apt-get
Because "apt-get install NewSoftware" is so hard. Try RedHat if you like double-clicking icons.

4) Compiling
Use RedHat if you want precompiled RPMs for most things, but otherwise, it's SUCH a difficulty to download the source code, extract the files, and then double-click the "Install This Program" script that runs make install.

I'm giving up and installing windows.

Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

- M4H

 

[dighn]

command line is actually very powerful if you are familiar with it. you can chain up commands using pipes and IO redirection to do some pretty complex stuff on the fly. it also lends itself very well to automation by scripting. and commands are sometimes just plain easier to use, for example it's just quicker to type the grep command to search within a bunch of files than to right click a directory, press search, type in the text, set the parameters etc. or it's quicker to go mkdir blah than to right click, siwtch to keyboard and type in blah

 

[Oil]

Originally posted by: Pepsi90919

Originally posted by: Tick

Originally posted by: everman
Which distro are you using? Which gui?

Ubuntu.

that's a linux distribution, not a GUI

Yea, Ubuntu is a distro (aka Linux distribution)

 

[Atheus]

Originally posted by: Tick
1) Command lines/Lack of GUI's

There are GUIs... what Linux were you using that doesn't have a GUI? A server?

"one advantage to a command line."

Command lines are very powerful tools - I bet I can accomplish most admin tasks on the CI twice as fast as you can with GUI. Hows that?

2)Root/sudo is stupid.

Security is important.

3)Apt-get

Now this is just plane stupid. Why is it so damn hard to install anything?

This I just don't understand... it is so so much easier to install things with apt-get than under windows...

Linux: type "apt-get install program"

Windows: open a browser, search for the right file, download it, double click the icon.

More and longer steps.

4)Compiling

Do you even know what compiling is? All your windows software is compiled...

If you don't want to compile your linux software (gives better performance) just download the fvcking binaries.

I'm giving up and installing windows.

Good, no one cares if you use Linux, they just don't want you spreading misinformation about it.

Also, have you noticed Linux is free? Don't look a gift horse in the mouth.

 

[MercenaryForHire]

Originally posted by: Tick
1)Am I running a data center or supercomputer center? No.

Then why are you trying to run a Unix-derived OS?

2)I should be able to screw anything up. Windows does a nice job of holding me back and makeing it damn hard to fvck with anything I shouldn't be ****** with.

I can't wait to see your reaction the first time you get a permissions prompt in Vista.

3)Good for you.

And with a little patience, you too can learn to make it work.

4)Why on earth would I want to compile stuff. That's what options are for.

Because options in an installer let me change the fundamental functionality of the program itself. :roll:

Using an OS should not require intelligence or skill. Any properly programmed OS is usable by someone with 0 minute of training and an IQ of 85.

According to your definition, a "properly programmed" OS doesn't exist.

And anyway, I'm not looking for a replacement for my windows box. I just wanted a functional OS where I could install a few programs. But aparently that's too much to ask.

So run Windows and STFU.

- M4H

 

[igowerf]

1) When I have to deal with a lot of files and folders, I prefer a CLI. You can copy, delete, move, etc. using wildcards.

2) I agree that the sudo/root issue is kind of annoying if you're used to Windows. I never considered it annoying enough to rant about it though. I can see why it's helpful too. If you run a production server, you definitely want as much protection from stupid mistakes as possible.

3) I actually love apt-get. It handles everything for me and I find it to be easier to use than installer programs. I can trust that everything will work and all the dependencies will be installed for me. I don't have to choose an install location (most of the time, I don't even know where it installs). Isn't that stupidly simple and optionless?

4) Compiling is pretty tough. I had a really hard time getting things to work in earlier versions of OS X because you had to compile with special flags and download special versions of libraries designed for OS X. Apt-get in Ubuntu made me forget about compiling entirely though.

 

[magomago]

I don't think he knows much

http://www.ubuntuguide.org

I'm sure you can cut and paste, Cacl3 taught you CNTL+C and CNTL+V, right? I don't want to scare you with TOO much information...

Go there, get extra repositories installed, get any extra programs you need, download the gstream codec packs, learn to use synaptic, etc. etc.

If you have questions go to http://www.ubuntuforums.org and go to the newbie areas. Read a little bit about linux FIRST because you can't apply Windows straight onto Linux. Learn the simple basics (And yes, these are basics) of what repositories are, what dependencies are, Why "X" isn't the operating system, how some things are layered. A lot of this is reallly general basic info that goes VERY far is teaching you a lot of important things. Hell, I understand it generally and unless I can't program worth crap


I'm actually amazed you can't use Ubuntu....



Here is one thing you should learn:

Linux is not harder than windows, it is just DIFFERENT. So don't treat Linux as if it is exactly Windows

 

[imported_Tick]

Originally posted by: magomago
I don't think he knows much

http://www.ubuntuguide.org

I'm sure you can cut and paste, Cacl3 taught you CNTL+C and CNTL+V, right? I don't want to scare you with TOO much information...

Go there, get extra repositories installed, get any extra programs you need, download the gstream codec packs, learn to use synaptic, etc. etc.

If you have questions go to http://www.ubuntuforums.org and go to the newbie areas. Read a little bit about linux FIRST because you can't apply Windows straight onto Linux. Learn the simple basics (And yes, these are basics) of what repositories are, what dependencies are, Why "X" isn't the operating system, how some things are layered. A lot of this is reallly general basic info that goes VERY far is teaching you a lot of important things. Hell, I understand it generally and unless I can't program worth crap


I'm actually amazed you can't use Ubuntu....



Here is one thing you should learn:

Linux is not harder than windows, it is just DIFFERENT. So don't treat Linux as if it is exactly Windows

Well aparently I'm stupid. 6 hours later and I'm still not able to install a functioning FTP server program. Also, I never had to read anything to use windows, I've always been able to jump right in, and find things with either a quick search, or fumbling around. This is not the case with linux. Also, I can't even seem to find an equivelent to my computer in ubuntu. Also, I have no desire to LEARN an OS. I never had to learn windows.

Edit: And linux IS harder. Anytime I have to use a command line, it instantly becomes 10x as hard.

Edit: Oh, and Ubuntu guide sucks. I installed proftpd like they said. And then what? How do I even launch the program? Where is the GUI? How do I change options?????

 

[sonoma1993]

Originally posted by: Tick

Originally posted by: Tauren
I use Debian on 3 computers at my house. I don't care for it, but try Ubuntu it's made so easy monkey's can use it.

I'm using ubuntu. I am apparently not smart enough to use it. This despite the fact that I can get an A in Calc 3.

try using fedora core 6. It based off red hat

 

[imported_Tick]

Originally posted by: sonoma1993

Originally posted by: Tick

Originally posted by: Tauren
I use Debian on 3 computers at my house. I don't care for it, but try Ubuntu it's made so easy monkey's can use it.

I'm using ubuntu. I am apparently not smart enough to use it. This despite the fact that I can get an A in Calc 3.

try using fedora core 6. It based off red hat

Is it easy? As in, windows or OSX easy?

 

[sonoma1993]

Originally posted by: Tick

Originally posted by: sonoma1993

Originally posted by: Tick

Originally posted by: Tauren
I use Debian on 3 computers at my house. I don't care for it, but try Ubuntu it's made so easy monkey's can use it.

I'm using ubuntu. I am apparently not smart enough to use it. This despite the fact that I can get an A in Calc 3.

try using fedora core 6. It based off red hat

Is it easy? As in, windows or OSX easy?

I found it easy.

it takes some learning though.

 

[Robor]

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That's about all the response this thread deserves.