Lion pwns Hyena = awesome

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: Promethply

Originally posted by: 91TTZ
I've been reading up on Siberian tigers, and it sounds like they'll eat baby bears, weak bears, or hibernating bears. But they'll stay away from large male bears.

I've also read that the large male bears will often follow a the much smaller female siberian tiger around, let it hunt, then steal its prey. Sounds like the much smaller female tiger is clever enough to yield to the much larger male bears.

fixed.



Predators would seldom attack a healthy, powerful prey out in the open, especially not cats.

That's true, when time's hard, they do scavenge off each other, but these brown bears would rarely contest the fully grown male siberian tigers.

Stop editing my posts and calling them fixed. A fully grown male brown bear is about twice as heavy as a fully grown male siberian tiger. Its muscle and bone density is much greater. It would have no problem ripping it apart.

The only chance the tiger has is if it's winter and the bear is hibernating.

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: Summitdrinker
how big are these brown bears you keep talking about? they must be kinda small

They are quite large.

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A fully grown male brown bear, even the Siberian type, can be over 1,200 lbs. A Grizzly, like the kind in Dr. Doolittle, can be over 1,500 lbs.

Promethply is deliberately trying to match up a small, female brown bear to a fully grown siberian tiger to make it sound like it sound like the tiger would win in a fight. But in reality it would not have much of a chance against a fully grown male brown bear.

The fully grown male brown bear is *much* larger and more powerful than a fully grown male siberian tiger. They live in the same forests and we already know that a bear isn't going to outrun a tiger, so it's common sense that they meet up. Since the bear is much more powerful than the tiger, the tiger runs away. That is reality.

 

[Promethply]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Stop editing my posts and calling them fixed. A fully grown male brown bear is more than twice as heavy as a fully grown male siberian tiger. Its muscle and bone density is much greater. It would have no problem ripping it apart.
The only chance the tiger has is if it's winter and the bear is hibernating.

Just correcting a few misinformations in this and a previous post about cats, which actually describes lions, whose behaviours are unique among cats.

I'm just stating what's known so far about these animals.

Nevermind, I've shared all I can.

 

[Gibsons]

Bear beats tiger!

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[Promethply]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ
They are quite large.

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A fully grown male brown bear, even the Siberian type, can be over 1,200 lbs. A Grizzly, like the kind in Dr. Doolittle, can be over 1,500 lbs.

Promethply is deliberately trying to match up a small, female brown bear to a fully grown siberian tiger to make it sound like it sound like the tiger would win in a fight. But in reality it would not have much of a chance against a fully grown male brown bear.

The fully grown male brown bear is *much* larger and more powerful than a fully grown male siberian tiger. They live in the same forests and we already know that a bear isn't going to outrun a tiger, so it's common sense that they meet up. Since the bear is much more powerful than the tiger, the tiger runs away. That is reality.

Wouldn't it be best if we share the correct information about these animals rather than spreading nonsense.

The Siberian Brown Bear, is nowhere close to the size of a domesticated Grizzly Bear raised for appearances in commercials and films.

It's size is very similar to the Canadian Grizzly Bears and European Brown Bear, both of which are considerably smaller than both the Alaskan Brown Bears and the Grizzly Bears found in Wyoming.

The male Siberian Tiger weighs up to 1,000 lbs, while the male Siberian Bear, while larger than the female Siberian Tiger, only weighs up to 600 lbs.

Over and out.

 

[mobobuff]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: Summitdrinker
how big are these brown bears you keep talking about? they must be kinda small

They are quite large.

pic

Oh that's not a misleading picture...

Originally posted by: Gibsons
Bear beats tiger!

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Oddly enough... a walrus beat a polar bear's ass...

 

[Mrvile]

What a good video. I like it!

 

[YOyoYOhowsDAjello]

Looks like the bear situation checks out...

bear vs tiger

bear vs lion

Seems like the tiger wins vs lion though... evidence

 

[Mrvile]

Originally posted by: YOyoYOhowsDAjello
Looks like the bear situation checks out...

bear vs tiger

bear vs lion

Seems like the tiger wins vs lion though... evidence

 

[mobobuff]

Originally posted by: YOyoYOhowsDAjello
Looks like the bear situation checks out...

bear vs tiger

bear vs lion

Seems like the tiger wins vs lion though... evidence

*sigh*

Bear is a verb, too. "Tiger" and "Lion" aren't.

 

[YOyoYOhowsDAjello]

Originally posted by: mobobuff

Originally posted by: YOyoYOhowsDAjello
Looks like the bear situation checks out...

bear vs tiger

bear vs lion

Seems like the tiger wins vs lion though... evidence

*sigh*

Bear is a verb, too. "Tiger" and "Lion" aren't.

I'll tiger you!

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: Promethply

Wouldn't it be best if we share the correct information about these animals rather than spreading nonsense. Of course you're not above spreading misinformation to support your flawed point.

The Siberian Brown Bear, is nowhere close to the size of a domesticated Grizzly Bear raised for appearances in commercials and films.

It's size is very similar to the Canadian Grizzly Bears and European Brown Bear, both of which are considerably smaller than both the Alaskan Brown Bears and the Grizzly Bears found in Wyoming.

The male Siberian Tiger weighs up to 1,000 lbs, while the male Siberian Bear, while larger than the female Siberian Tiger, only weighs up to 600 lbs.

Over and out.

Complete nonsense.

I find it odd that you want to "stop spreading nonsense", yet you try to claim outrageous sizes for the tiger while knocking down a realistic size of the bear.

You claim that the Siberian Tiger weight up to 1,000 lbs, yet the *largest Siberian tiger ever recorded* was only 847 lbs.

Obviously if the largest ever recorded was 847 lbs, a "normal" range would be much less than that. 450-600 lbs is the most commonly quoted figure for the siberian tiger.

info

You claim that the Siberian brown bear only weighs 600 lbs, yet they are the second largest species of bear.

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"The weight of an average bear varies depending on the species, from a 100 lb. sun bear to over a 1000 lb. Kodiak. Alaskan Kodiak, the largest bear species, has been know to reach 1,800 lbs., with the Siberian brown bear a close second, and the Continental American grizzlies third at 1,500 lbs"

To highlight your skewed information, I'll lay it out for you.

Animal........................Your claims................ reality.


Siberian Tiger................ "1000 lbs" .................... 450-600 lbs, largest ever 847 lbs.

Siberian Brown bear........."up to 600 lbs"..............around 1000 lbs, largest between 1500-1800 lbs (about 3x your ridiculously quoted figure)

We can all see that you were largely misrepresenting the size of these animals in your unrealistic claims.

I challenge you to show me where you read that male Siberian Brown bears grow "up to 600 lbs". It's a lie and you know it. I also want you to show me where you saw that Siberian tigers grow to 1,000 lbs. What you are trying to do is compare an imaginary tiger 150 lbs heavier than the largest ever recorded to an abnormally small brown bear at "up to 600 lbs", which would be very sickly.

I caught you BS'ing and I'm calling you out on it.

 

[Summitdrinker]

oh lordy, there is no difference between a alaskan brown bear and the regular grizzly.
they just get bigger and look a little different becuase they eat different and better.

latest genetic test show there is little or no difference geneticly, from what I have read.
at one time they thought the alaskan brown bear was a different species, now they even doubt that it's a different SUB species

I am sorry but tigers don't kill many of those brown bears you talk about, rare maybe, but it's mostly the other way around.

 

[PingSpike]

Bears are badass, I think we can all agree on that.

But who doesn't like to see the hyenas get their asses kicked? Those filthy kill stealing mangy dirtballs.

 

[shuan24]

Originally posted by: PingSpike
Bears are badass, I think we can all agree on that.

But who doesn't like to see the hyenas get their asses kicked? Those filthy kill stealing mangy dirtballs.

whoa! ever watch Lion King much? Why all the hatred!?

 

[YOyoYOhowsDAjello]

Originally posted by: PingSpike
Bears are badass, I think we can all agree on that.

But who doesn't like to see the hyenas get their asses kicked? Those filthy kill stealing mangy dirtballs.

Lions steal hyena kills too sometimes... it's just whoever has the strongest force at a kill.

 

[Ilmater]

Originally posted by: YOyoYOhowsDAjello

Originally posted by: PingSpike
Bears are badass, I think we can all agree on that.

But who doesn't like to see the hyenas get their asses kicked? Those filthy kill stealing mangy dirtballs.

Lions steal hyena kills too sometimes... it's just whoever has the strongest force at a kill.

Yeah... but when lions do it it's cool. :thumbsup:

 

[YOyoYOhowsDAjello]

Originally posted by: Ilmater

Originally posted by: YOyoYOhowsDAjello

Originally posted by: PingSpike
Bears are badass, I think we can all agree on that.

But who doesn't like to see the hyenas get their asses kicked? Those filthy kill stealing mangy dirtballs.

Lions steal hyena kills too sometimes... it's just whoever has the strongest force at a kill.

Yeah... but when lions do it it's cool. :thumbsup:

Ok... I agree that hyenas are butt ugly, but they have evolved to be good at what they do. I think calling them "filthy kill stealing mangy dirtballs" is unfair though.

 

[daveymark]

ancient video, but still good though

 

[shimsham]

the results are in

 

[five40]

Holy crap, enough arguing about lions tigers and bears oh my. Give me the damn links to the video where the lion destroys the 6 hyenas. That's what I REALLY want to see. Somebody has to have it.

 

[jagec]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

A fully grown male brown bear, even the Siberian type, can be over 1,200 lbs. A Grizzly, like the kind in Dr. Doolittle, can be over 1,500 lbs.

Promethply is deliberately trying to match up a small, female brown bear to a fully grown siberian tiger to make it sound like it sound like the tiger would win in a fight. But in reality it would not have much of a chance against a fully grown male brown bear.

The fully grown male brown bear is *much* larger and more powerful than a fully grown male siberian tiger. They live in the same forests and we already know that a bear isn't going to outrun a tiger, so it's common sense that they meet up. Since the bear is much more powerful than the tiger, the tiger runs away. That is reality.

yeah, I don't see what's so hard about this...

Grizzlies put all their stat points into Strength and Vitality, so they can last a LONG time and deal a lot of damage. Tigers put theirs into Agility and Dexterity, so unless they can get a lot of critical hits and dodge all the bear's blows, they'll lose. Which is why they have to take on lower level bears for it to be a fair fight.

 

[Promethply]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Complete nonsense.

I find it odd that you want to "stop spreading nonsense", yet you try to claim outrageous sizes for the tiger while knocking down a realistic size of the bear.

You claim that the Siberian Tiger weight up to 1,000 lbs, yet the *largest Siberian tiger ever recorded* was only 847 lbs.

Obviously if the largest ever recorded was 847 lbs, a "normal" range would be much less than that. 450-600 lbs is the most commonly quoted figure for the siberian tiger.

info

You claim that the Siberian brown bear only weighs 600 lbs, yet they are the second largest species of bear.

info

"The weight of an average bear varies depending on the species, from a 100 lb. sun bear to over a 1000 lb. Kodiak. Alaskan Kodiak, the largest bear species, has been know to reach 1,800 lbs., with the Siberian brown bear a close second, and the Continental American grizzlies third at 1,500 lbs"

To highlight your skewed information, I'll lay it out for you.

Animal........................Your claims................ reality.


Siberian Tiger................ "1000 lbs" .................... 450-600 lbs, largest ever 847 lbs.

Siberian Brown bear........."up to 600 lbs"..............around 1000 lbs, largest between 1500-1800 lbs (about 3x your ridiculously quoted figure)

We can all see that you were largely misrepresenting the size of these animals in your unrealistic claims.

I challenge you to show me where you read that male Siberian Brown bears grow "up to 600 lbs". It's a lie and you know it. I also want you to show me where you saw that Siberian tigers grow to 1,000 lbs. What you are trying to do is compare an imaginary tiger 150 lbs heavier than the largest ever recorded to an abnormally small brown bear at "up to 600 lbs", which would be very sickly.

I caught you BS'ing and I'm calling you out on it.

The Siberian Brown Bear you cited inhabit the Kamchatkan Peninsula, and they have very similar diet to the Alaskan Brown Bear, and hence grow to the same massive size.

Now the Siberian Tiger habitat is very limited compard to the Brown Bear, which range over northern Eurasia and north America, and they come in various sizes, which is attributed to their diet -- the biggest brown bears diet consists of plenty of salmon (not just roots, berries, and rodents).

For example, Grizzly Bears from Wyoming are usually considerably larger than the Canadian Grizzly Bears.

Siberian Tiger is a specific description of an animal, while "Siberian Brown Bear" is a very broad term, comparable to saying "East Asian Tiger" (only geographic description), where the South Chinese Tigers are considerably smaller than the Manchurian Tigers.

Similarly, the Siberian Brown Bears found in areas inhabited by the Siberian Tigers are considerably smaller than the Kamchatkan Brown Bear cited above, while they have found a male Siberian Tiger that weighs 1,000 lbs -- just comb through the infos more thoroughly.

And Siberian Tigers occasionally hunt Siberian Bears living in their area.

Whether you'll understand this or not, it's up to you.

Auf wiedersehen.


Hmmm better not to respond to your trolling next time

 

[91TTZ]

Promethply, everyone can see what you're trying to do, and it's quite lame. You're trying to find the *largest* tiger on record and compare it with a small, weak, malnourished bear. This is why you keep citing extreme stats on the tiger, while trying to discount even a reasonable stat on the bear. You want to hand select the largest Siberian tiger ever found and compare it to the smallest brown bear that you can find.

Any attempt at citiing reasonable average sizes of these animals is met by your protest, with you once again demanding to compare the largest tiger ever found with a very small species of bear of your choosing.

Why is it so hard to accept that most Siberian tigers are 450-600 lbs, and the Siberian brown bears are slightly under 1000 lbs? Yes, even larger tigers have been found but that is extremely rare. And then, you'd have to consider that even larger bears have been found, weighing between 1500-1800 lbs.

The average weight range of the bears far exceeds the average weight range of the tigers. Your attempt at forcing a comparison of a tiger on the extreme end of the range vs. an abnormally small brown bear is contrived and pathetic. Anyone reading this thread can see that, and the only one trolling here is you, since you cannot accept a fair comparison.

 

[Papagayo]

Could someone zip the file? I can't download it to view it at work..