Lipstick on a pig?

[frostedflakes]

Originally posted by: hellokeith
If someone scripted that line for Obama, they need to be fired.

If Obama went off script and said that on his own, it doesn't bode well for his upcoming debates.

Either way, he needs to apologize quickly and then move along. The longer he avoids apologizing, the more likely this becomes a John Kerry "stuck in Iraq" incident, and we know what happened to John Kerry.

Why? It's a figure of speech.

Here's a question, if Palin hadn't made the joke about a pitbull with lipstick in her speech recently, would the right have given Obama's comment a second thought? No, because his statement has nothing to do with Palin, unless you're an idiot and come to the conclusion that because they both used the word lipstick in their speeches, Obama's use of the word must be related to Palin's.

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: KK
Making a big deal over this is just as stupid as making a big deal over the word "uppity."

Uppity: racist comment making an appeal to racist voters - if you want the leaders who will oppose an 'uppity' black, vote for him.

This controversy: Republicans take a comment from Obama that was perfectly appropriate, pointing out Republicans' flaws, and lie about what he said to attack him.

FWIW, I didn't know about the racial origins of the word until that news story broke. I tend to think it was an honest mistake.

 

[umbrella39]

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: umbrella39

Originally posted by: ayabe
Gotta love more race baiting by the cowards in this thread, "monkey in suit?" how very Jim Crow of you.

You pieces of shit know who you are, you are fucking cowards and would NEVER have the balls to say that to any black person. Same with the uppity comment, no balls and no class.

Want to talk about stuttering? Let's talk about how bad you would be stuttering trying to explain your monkey comment to someone who might take offense to it. We can add the urine on your shoes to your list of personal shortcomings.

QFT, the e-racist crowd is the biggest group of pussies crawling the earth today. Shouldn't come as much of a surprise though, many have been fighting the GWOT from their keyboards for years now. I would love to see just one do as you suggested and post back afterwards about how fun the medevac helicopter ride was.

Wow, so you both just realized that people say things on the internet that they wouldn't say in real life?

I'm pretty sure that most of the libs that keep calling Palin a pig, caribou barbie, etc... wouldn't say any of that to her face either, but for some reason you aren't "outraged" about that kind of low class sexism. The faux outrage from both sides is getting a little ridiculous.

I am outraged by neither racism nor sexism. I am a little bit of both. But I am a realist and know that to think one thing and to actually articulate it are two different things. I just hope that when one of you guys grows the stones to call your black 'friend' an uppity n****r, you post pictures of the aftermath. I will do the same should I decide to call a woman an ugly, pig, slut to her face. Racism and sexism are useless without :camera:

 

[BMW540I6speed]

Lipstick on a Pig: Winning in the No Spin Era by Someone Who Knows the Game by Torie Clarke

For those who don't know who Torie Clarke is, amongst other things, she's the former press secretary of none other than John McCain.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: Duwelon

1) If he called Palin a pig via that comment, he's a friggin idiot. An idiotic moron, so to speak.
2) If he didn't mean to call Palin a pig, he's got about the worst judgement on his feet than anyone else i've ever seen in politics, even Bush, whose only gaffs are due to his speech impediment or whatever that is.

IN either case, Obama needs to sit down and not open his mouth anymore, unless he's reading verbatim off a pre-written speech that he had nothing to do with.

Question for you -- What candidate for President made reference to lipstick on a pig?

Could it be these two? Watch all of it.

Or could it be this one? :Q

Or this one? :shocked:

Do you only open your mouth to change feet? :laugh:

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: KK
Making a big deal over this is just as stupid as making a big deal over the word "uppity."

Uppity: racist comment making an appeal to racist voters - if you want the leaders who will oppose an 'uppity' black, vote for him.

This controversy: Republicans take a comment from Obama that was perfectly appropriate, pointing out Republicans' flaws, and lie about what he said to attack him.

Luckily he didn't call him a "black boy." Imagine the furor that would have wrought from the left?

:roll:

 

[Throckmorton]

When is Obama going to come out and say "IT'S A SAYING AND I WAS REFERRING TO WHAT I HAD JUST SAID, THAT MCCAIN IS MORE OF THE SAME"???

Stop with the "this is ridiculous" crap, or whatever. Yeah, it's ridiculous, but you aren't going to convince anybody without telling them the truth. This is John Kerry all over again.

Edit: Oh wait, he did that this morning.

 

[ModerateRepZero]

I don't see the lipstick comment as controversial; "putting lipstick on a pig" isn't an unheard of expression, and as Harvey pointed out, other candidates have used the phrase....even McCain while discussing (gasp!) Clinton.

I suppose by extension, we can't use the expression "you can't teach an old dog new tricks" in 2008 presidential politics without making a (slighted) remark to McCain? While one should be mindful not to use overtly racist pornographic etc imagery or allusions, I don't see why political correctness has to go so far as to frown upon *any* allusion to gender, age, etc.


http://www.chicagotribune.com/...-sep11,0,4011895.story

 

[QED]

I don't think Obama said what did with any intentions of comparing Palin to a pig-- but it is obvious his own audience drew that conclusion-- and therefore should've been obvious to Obama that what he said might make his sound worse than he really is.

Instead of getting defensive about it, he should've taken the high road instead of lowering himself to the level of the McCain campaign.

Similarily, McCain shouldn't have touched this issue with a ten-foot pole-- they should've just let it play out in the media, and if asked to comment say something like "I don't think he meant it to come out the way he did-- but even if he did mean it that way, I'm not offended at all. I've been called worse by lesser people, so this is a non-issue to us". However, by feigning indignanty they have done themselves (and everyone else) a great disservice. I swear, someone in the McCain camp must've had an itchy finger on the "let's play the sexism accucastion" button...

 

[OneOfTheseDays]

It's hilarious to listen to the media blast the "lipstick on a pig" comment as being overblown while they continue to talk about it for the last 2 days.

 

[Buck Armstrong]

Originally posted by: deathstorm78
I saw the clip of the speech where he followed up on the lipstick comment with "wrapping an old fish in new paper." easy to take out of context.

Oh come on, he was obviously talking about her vagina and a new pair of panties.

Fuckin' Obama. A half-black man raised by white folks...what a bigot.

 

[Buck Armstrong]

Originally posted by: ZOOYUKA
What would would have happened if McCain would have said: You can put a monkey in suit, but he is still monkey?

:laugh:

You're right, he'd probably get in some trouble.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: QED

I don't think Obama said what did with any intentions of comparing Palin to a pig-- but it is obvious his own audience drew that conclusion-- and therefore should've been obvious to Obama that what he said might make his sound worse than he really is.

Instead of getting defensive about it, he should've taken the high road instead of lowering himself to the level of the McCain campaign.

Similarily, McCain shouldn't have touched this issue with a ten-foot pole-- they should've just let it play out in the media, and if asked to comment say something like "I don't think he meant it to come out the way he did-- but even if he did mean it that way, I'm not offended at all. I've been called worse by lesser people, so this is a non-issue to us". However, by feigning indignanty they have done themselves (and everyone else) a great disservice. I swear, someone in the McCain camp must've had an itchy finger on the "let's play the sexism accucastion" button...

Well McCain's campaign is the reason why this was even an issue in the media to begin with. It was within hours of Obama saying it that McCain's campaign came out with this ridiculous terribly hurt message calling Obama a sexist and demanding he apologize. Without that, there's no story... because the phrase is so commonly used.

I know McCain's campaign was waiting for anything they could use to try and hit the Democrats as being sexist (I would have done the same thing), but I feel like they jumped the gun. This was so obviously not about Palin, and McCain has used the phrase several times in the past, I mean... they just look stupid and juvenile.

There is a side benefit to McCain's campaign though. They have very clearly attempted to make this a 'character' campaign as opposed to an 'issues' campaign. (and they are wise to do that, because they will lose an issues campaign this year) Every day that people are talking about lipstick, they are focused on character and personality. So... in some ways it helps. I don't think it makes up for him looking like a moron, but it's not all bad.

 

[Moonbeam]

I wish the Republicans hadn't made an issue of this. I am never now going to be able to disassociate Palin and Pig. Every time I see her painted lips move I'm going to hear oink oink.

 

[quest55720]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: QED

I don't think Obama said what did with any intentions of comparing Palin to a pig-- but it is obvious his own audience drew that conclusion-- and therefore should've been obvious to Obama that what he said might make his sound worse than he really is.

Instead of getting defensive about it, he should've taken the high road instead of lowering himself to the level of the McCain campaign.

Similarily, McCain shouldn't have touched this issue with a ten-foot pole-- they should've just let it play out in the media, and if asked to comment say something like "I don't think he meant it to come out the way he did-- but even if he did mean it that way, I'm not offended at all. I've been called worse by lesser people, so this is a non-issue to us". However, by feigning indignanty they have done themselves (and everyone else) a great disservice. I swear, someone in the McCain camp must've had an itchy finger on the "let's play the sexism accucastion" button...

Well McCain's campaign is the reason why this was even an issue in the media to begin with. It was within hours of Obama saying it that McCain's campaign came out with this ridiculous terribly hurt message calling Obama a sexist and demanding he apologize. Without that, there's no story... because the phrase is so commonly used.

I know McCain's campaign was waiting for anything they could use to try and hit the Democrats as being sexist (I would have done the same thing), but I feel like they jumped the gun. This was so obviously not about Palin, and McCain has used the phrase several times in the past, I mean... they just look stupid and juvenile.

There is a side benefit to McCain's campaign though. They have very clearly attempted to make this a 'character' campaign as opposed to an 'issues' campaign. (and they are wise to do that, because they will lose an issues campaign this year) Every day that people are talking about lipstick, they are focused on character and personality. So... in some ways it helps. I don't think it makes up for him looking like a moron, but it's not all bad.

Yep because the Obama campaign has never taken an innocent comment and ran with it. Yep turning Bill Clinton into a racist of the words fairytale was not playing the media hmmm.

I think the comment was innocent I said it earlier in the thread but Obama's campaign has no right to cry after what they did to Bill Clinton.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: quest55720

Yep because the Obama campaign has never taken an innocent comment and ran with it. Yep turning Bill Clinton into a racist of the words fairytale was not playing the media hmmm.

I think the comment was innocent I said it earlier in the thread but Obama's campaign has no right to cry after what they did to Bill Clinton.

So do you think the McCain camp has any right to cry? I mean they were downright apoplectic that Obama would dare use the same phrase that McCain has used repeatedly in the past. They were so enraged by it that they were absolutely forced to 'whine' about it in the same way that Palin attacked Hillary for doing a few months back. Scandal!

Politics is a dirty business, but the way McCain has been behaving for the last month or so is downright disgusting. I mean one of his latest ads about the sex education thing is almost literally taking a page out of Butterbean's play book... the guy who is too retarded for even ATPN. Obama also stretches the truth when trying to attack McCain (all politicians do) but things have gotten so bad that Factcheck.org is considering legal action against McCain for lying about what even the fact checkers are saying. (they have a free use copyright, but it requires people using their information not to misrepresent it, which yet another dishonest McCain ad did)

 

[QED]

Originally posted by: eskimospy
Well McCain's campaign is the reason why this was even an issue in the media to begin with. It was within hours of Obama saying it that McCain's campaign came out with this ridiculous terribly hurt message calling Obama a sexist and demanding he apologize. Without that, there's no story... because the phrase is so commonly used.

I kinda disagree-- this story was already being blasted about before McCain's campaign decided to issue a press release about it. I think had McCain done nothing, it would've likely grown all on its own-- but by issuing a press release they probably "vented" the issue. So now, instead of the topic being whether Obama is sexist or demonstrates bad judgement when choosing analogies (and whether Obama's audience is complicit in those aspects)-- the topic at hand is a debate over whether McCain is making a mountain out of a molehill, or is McCain suffering from some gender-based hypochondria.

I know McCain's campaign was waiting for anything they could use to try and hit the Democrats as being sexist (I would have done the same thing), but I feel like they jumped the gun. This was so obviously not about Palin, and McCain has used the phrase several times in the past, I mean... they just look stupid and juvenile.

I agree. They should've let this one alone and taken the high road out, and let people in the media pick it up so Obama would've been forced to answer for it honestly. Similarily, I think Obama should've taken the high road as well-had he done so, he probably could've neutralized any further attacks based on allegations that he is "sexist".

 

[quest55720]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: quest55720

Yep because the Obama campaign has never taken an innocent comment and ran with it. Yep turning Bill Clinton into a racist of the words fairytale was not playing the media hmmm.

I think the comment was innocent I said it earlier in the thread but Obama's campaign has no right to cry after what they did to Bill Clinton.

So do you think the McCain camp has any right to cry? I mean they were downright apoplectic that Obama would dare use the same phrase that McCain has used repeatedly in the past. They were so enraged by it that they were absolutely forced to 'whine' about it in the same way that Palin attacked Hillary for doing a few months back. Scandal!

Politics is a dirty business, but the way McCain has been behaving for the last month or so is downright disgusting. I mean one of his latest ads about the sex education thing is almost literally taking a page out of Butterbean's play book... the guy who is too retarded for even ATPN. Obama also stretches the truth when trying to attack McCain (all politicians do) but things have gotten so bad that Factcheck.org is considering legal action against McCain for lying about what even the fact checkers are saying. (they have a free use copyright, but it requires people using their information not to misrepresent it, which yet another dishonest McCain ad did)

Not on lipstick gate there is no reason to cry it was an innocent comment. I think it is sad and stupid it became the issue of the day. I said the sex ed ad was over the line and I did not like McCain stooping to that level. That said Obama can't bitch about lipstickgate he set the rules when his people framed bill clinton as a racist. The McCain people just tried to do the same but failed big time.

 

[OneOfTheseDays]

McCain is really losing all credibility he ever had in my eyes. He completely sold out.

To see him on TV today and say the one thing that bothers him the most about campaigns is the negativity makes it completely clear in my mind that he will never get my vote for any political office. I don't even care about Palin, she is irrelevant to my decision. John S. McCain has lost his values and everything that made him a respectable Republican IMHO.

 

[TechAZ]

Non issue. I don't believe Obama was trying to tie that comment into Palin's analogy.

And to those pissing and moaning about "Rovian tacticts" etc etc. It is FACT that negative campaigning works.

 

[sportage]

This election thing is stressing me out sooooooooo much.
I have no idea what paris Hilton has been up to.
Lets get back to what really matters!!!
GOD... WHAT HAS PARIS BEEN UP TO? :brokenheart:

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: OneOfTheseDays
It's hilarious to listen to the media blast the "lipstick on a pig" comment as being overblown while they continue to talk about it for the last 2 days.

Welcome to every story they over-cover for 20 years...

There's like this hierarchy for how overcovered it is, as you rise in it, the media increasingly covers itself with stories about the meida covering the media covering...

You can't parody or exaggerate their behavior, as they sit their and have panels about 'why is this story so over-covered? It's outrageous!'

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: KK
Making a big deal over this is just as stupid as making a big deal over the word "uppity."

Uppity: racist comment making an appeal to racist voters - if you want the leaders who will oppose an 'uppity' black, vote for him.

This controversy: Republicans take a comment from Obama that was perfectly appropriate, pointing out Republicans' flaws, and lie about what he said to attack him.

Luckily he didn't call him a "black boy." Imagine the furor that would have wrought from the left?

:roll:

TLC, how do you manage to lower already low discussion to consistently?

Hey, what if McCain called him the N word, and said no blacks should get to vote much less run for office? I guess 'the left' would go nuts, huh?

What's your point?

I think had McCain said black boy, he'd have more than the left to worry about, and would lose the election immediately. Like you should lose anyone paying attention to you...

 

[deftron]

Karl Rove's training video given to McCain and Palin

 

[senseamp]

McCain - Palin '08 new slogan:
Same sh!t , more lipstick!

 

[lupi]

Originally posted by: hellokeith
If someone scripted that line for Obama, they need to be fired.

If Obama went off script and said that on his own, it doesn't bode well for his upcoming debates.

Either way, he needs to apologize quickly and then move along. The longer he avoids apologizing, the more likely this becomes a John Kerry "stuck in Iraq" incident, and we know what happened to John Kerry.

The problem is that the great messiah shows his empty suit when he's not reading from the telepromtper. One of the many reason he can't hold onto bill's jockstrap.