Living Without Television

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Living Without Television

by Christopher Westley

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Over 10 years ago, my wife and I decided to out TV from our lives. We are not television snobs, far from teetotalers, and believe that many aspects of life can be enjoyed in moderation. But television had become something of a negative for us, and we wondered what our lives would be like if we tried giving it up for a short period and then see what happened. We did, choosing the period of Lent in 1995, and that short period continues to this day.

I rank our disposing of the national pacifier among our most important joint decisions, right up there with deciding to get married or where to raise our children.

Our problems with television would be familiar for many. Watching the tube was time consuming, taking us away from other activities. We knew we?d receive much more long-term benefit, in terms of living a fuller life, from reading books, being engaged with others socially, and bonding with our kids. Also, we found it quite controlling. We?d catch ourselves being interested in television characters who in real life we would consider morons. While there was often programming we found worthwhile ? movies on American Movie Classics and the occasional Letterman monologue, for instance ? such programming was rare.

But we?d still watch.

I remembered an incident when I lived in an apartment complex in San Antonio. Walking from the parking lot to our apartment involved passing over 20 identical living rooms, and one evening, after taking out the garbage during one of Clinton?s televised addresses, I noticed that every one of these living rooms had the president?s happy mug on a television screen. Every one. Having read Orwell in a high school English class ? something that was common before the federalization of public education ? I found this development appalling. Was this Texas or Oceana?

Also, our decision to out TV came from wanting to make a conscious choice not to live out lives watching other people live. Life is vicarious enough. Why add to it?

So I called our cable company and asked to have our service disconnected. The cable lady thought I was joking. She then reacted as though we were on life support and asking to have the oxygen tube removed. "Darlin?," she said, "you can?t live life without TV."

Nonetheless, we sold our 19-inch television and put the proceeds toward a 13-inch combination TV/VCR that we kept in a closet. (This has since been replaced with a similar TV/DVD player combo.) While we watch occasional movies and other offerings available on DVDs, we often watch television when staying in hotel rooms or relatives? houses, events that occur two or three times a year. Nonetheless, over the last decade, we have been oblivious to several popular (or notorious) shows that have since come and gone. I have never seen a reality show (because these came about after we quit television), and only recently figured out what Bill O?Reilly looked like. My son was 6years old when he realized that television had uses that didn?t involve removable media.

This arrangement allows us to use television on our terms. We use it. It doesn?t use us. But that cable lady had a point. She knew that we were consigning ourselves to a life of not getting the conversation at many dinner parties or of cutting away from a common bond that connects many people in society.

She was also right given the pervasiveness of television in the public square. They are in bathrooms, restaurants, cars, sporting events, waiting rooms, airplanes, barber shops, and even Wal-Marts. I don?t know if they are in some churches, but I wouldn?t be surprised, given how many modern churches have taken on the appearance of television studios. No one escapes television completely.

And she was right in terms of public discussion. The small talk at most social gatherings center on what people are currently watching. (Hint: If you ever want some bore to leave you alone at a party, simply tell him you don?t watch TV.) My college students often support classroom arguments by referencing something they saw on CNN or the History Channel.

This is a particular area in which television?s costs are great. Becoming informed takes some work. This traditionally involved reading books, newspapers, and magazines to develop opinions about what you believed (or didn?t). Unfortunately, some of the most uninformed people I meet each day receive their news solely from television, which reduces complex social problems into emotional, highly manipulative one- or two-minute segments.

And these people vote.

The Framers of the Constitution created a decentralized republic, and explicitly not a democracy, because they knew that the latter tended toward centralization and tyranny. Even Jefferson believed that the small role actual voting would play in the new country would only be tolerable with an educated electorate. Not only would he hate television, he?d despair over a culture that promotes democracy and television as goods that must be universally available. What does it mean for freedom when so many voters are only informed to the extent possible through CNN and Fox News?

To take one example, consider some recent poll data. Forty-seven per cent of Americans believed that Saddam Hussein helped plan 9/11 and 44 per cent believed that the hijackers were Iraqi; 61 per cent thought that Saddam had been a serious threat to the U.S., and 76 per cent said the Iraqis are now better off. None of this is true, but it is understandable when so many in the electorate depend on television to be informed.

Don't think that the political class does not appreciate this development, because voters ? whom the political class ostensibly serves ? are much easier to manipulate when they develop opinions from what they see on TV. No wonder the federal government plans to spend billions of dollars subsidizing the transfer from analog transmissions to digital ones. Digital television has become the latest civil right, and a convenient one for holders of political power.

We chuckle when we hear friends rail against typical television fare, because we used to do that. The same people often complain about there not being enough hours in the day to accomplish all that they want. We chuckle at that too. But when we suggest dropping the one or two hours each day spent in front of the tube, we?re the ones to get chuckled at. For many, going without television really is like going without oxygen.

My graceful wife gave up the tube easily. Not me. I remember doing things that my dad does when he gives up smoking. (My dad quits smoking several times a year. It?s his hobby.) I?d become irritable and my mind would be on the corner of our house where that magnetic box used to be, sort of like how my dad thinks about the drawers where he stores his Terryton?s. Over time, however, that corner became smaller in my mind as the benefits that came from dropping television grew.

For me, the benefits are much greater than simply being more productive during the day, although that certainly is a plus. On many weeknights, my 5-year-old daughter and I play board games and go for walks. After she goes to bed, my 9-year-old son reads books while my wife and I sit down and engage in an activity called "talking." I think our family is closer than it would otherwise be, although I can never know for sure. I am sure our kids are less aware of the material world than their television-watching peers ? and they seem more innocent. Surely this has something to do with the fact that they are not exposed, on a daily basis, to sex as a mere consumption good or to the sports-worshiping culture that pervades much television.

So every Lent, which begins next month, I remember that time in 1995 when my family decided to enter through the narrow gate that brought us into a world without television. Giving up pacifiers is never easy. In our case, it was important for our living a more purposeful and happy life.

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My parents took out my TV when I was about 5 or 6 years old. I used to resent them for doing that and my friends would always ask me what the heck I did without a TV. But in retrospect I think it was great my parents did that.

I continue to live without a TV, but when I do watch it occasionally (when I am over at someone else's house) I am always appalled by the trash that is on there. I really couldn't care less about any of the news networks, the so-called intellectual channels like History have watered down documentaries and I can't friggin' stand all the commercials.

One thing is for sure, the so-called 'news' channels play an integral role in what James Bovard calls Attention Deficit Democracy. Millions of people out there are basing their opinions on literally 30 second sound bites and 5 minute interviews.
 

magomago

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I used to always watch the Television. Something like atleast six hours a day. Then I moved in 8th grade to CA from CO, and our stuff got caught in a storm and had to wait over a month for it. During that month I learned to live without television. When I got it I became extremely excited and then after 5 minutes the novelty wore off. Since 1998 I've watched probably less than 10 hours of TV total and I think its one of the smartest decisions I've ever made, not withstanding Family Guy DVDs my friend lets me borrow
If I ever DO watch it, its because I'm at a friends and they insist on turning on the TV while we play poker or chill.
 

Kerouactivist

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I've realized that my blood pressure goes significantly down when I don't watch Faux news to see what the propagandists are up too.
 

Rainsford

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Personally, I think the author had it right the first time, everything in moderation. Do you sit down with a beer after work? That has no real value, but I still enjoy doing it. But hey, whatever works for you. It's when it starts becoming about your thing also being the best idea for me that I tend to be suspicious of other motives. A vegetarian who's doing it for themselves is fine by me, when they start preaching about the evils of meat, I wonder if it's just a way to feel superior to other people. Same deal here, the article (and the OP) have a very superiority complex flavor to them. Which is fine, no skin off my back, but not a real healthy way to live your life...
 

LumbergTech

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Originally posted by: Rainsford
Personally, I think the author had it right the first time, everything in moderation. Do you sit down with a beer after work? That has no real value, but I still enjoy doing it. But hey, whatever works for you. It's when it starts becoming about your thing also being the best idea for me that I tend to be suspicious of other motives. A vegetarian who's doing it for themselves is fine by me, when they start preaching about the evils of meat, I wonder if it's just a way to feel superior to other people. Same deal here, the article (and the OP) have a very superiority complex flavor to them. Which is fine, no skin off my back, but not a real healthy way to live your life...

i agree but it doesnt hurt to fill your extra time with meaningful tasks instead of meaningless tasks
 

Jaskalas

Lifer
Jun 23, 2004
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Originally posted by: bthorny
I've realized that my blood pressure goes significantly down when I don't watch Faux news to see what the propagandists are up too.

News is only propaganda if you don't like what you're hearing.

I'm sure you're content with your political channel of choice.
 

novon

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I cut out cable - the commercials suck and ratio of good shows to crap was 1:50

I just have local channels now (for news once in a while, public access, PBS), and the rest I get NetFlix + TV shows that are actually educational or interesting downloaded commercial free + Internet.

Much better use of time, and no brain rot! Saves a lot on cable bills too.
 

Looney

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To take one example, consider some recent poll data. Forty-seven per cent of Americans believed that Saddam Hussein helped plan 9/11 and 44 per cent believed that the hijackers were Iraqi; 61 per cent thought that Saddam had been a serious threat to the U.S., and 76 per cent said the Iraqis are now better off. None of this is true, but it is understandable when so many in the electorate depend on television to be informed.

So he's saying before television, the population was much more knowledgeable and informed about the world? I would say television, especially today's as compared to even 10 years ago, is making us much more informed. When news break, it breaks live, so there's less staging and scripting of the event. We get it live, and we see it happen. Sure, often things are misrepresented because only the sensational stuff are highlighted, but it's better than waiting hours later for the news anchor to summarize the events according to their bias or view.
 

JackStorm

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My television broke down some years ago, and having become sick of all the commercials and the rest of the garbage on tv, I decided against buying a new one. And quiet frankly, a side from the few major live events that don't happen enough for me to care about getting a new TV, I can't say I miss it. There just isn't anything to draw me back to it. If I want news there's always the internet or news papers.
 

techs

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Sep 26, 2000
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Without television how would I know that everything changed on 9-11?
Or that I shouldn't vote for John Kerry because some guys he served with said so on TV?
Or how would I know deficits don't matter, or that the insurgency was in its last throes?
Or that the Iraqis would welcome us with flowers?
Or that Terry Shiavo was dancing in the hospital corridor when Democrats wanted to kill her?
With out T.V. I would have to base my world view on scholary works printed in books instead of blow-dried t.v. "newsmen" who are reading from a propaganda script?
I want my MTV!
 

1EZduzit

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Originally posted by: novon
I cut out cable - the commercials suck and ratio of good shows to crap was 1:50

I just have local channels now (for news once in a while, public access, PBS), and the rest I get NetFlix + TV shows that are actually educational or interesting downloaded commercial free + Internet.

Much better use of time, and no brain rot! Saves a lot on cable bills too.

I quit getting cable TV probably 20 years ago, but I do have cable interent. I have a TV antenea and get CBS, NBC, ABc, FOX, and PBS. I have a computer set up to record the shows I like so I can watch them whenever and I can FF thru the comercials.

I download a few TV shows (Sci Fi) thru bittorrent and rent DVD's when I'm in the mood to just sit back, relax and watch some TV.
 

jrenz

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Originally posted by: techs
Without television how would I know that everything changed on 9-11?
Or that I shouldn't vote for John Kerry because some guys he served with said so on TV?
Or how would I know deficits don't matter, or that the insurgency was in its last throes?
Or that the Iraqis would welcome us with flowers?
Or that Terry Shiavo was dancing in the hospital corridor when Democrats wanted to kill her?
With out T.V. I would have to base my world view on scholary works printed in books instead of blow-dried t.v. "newsmen" who are reading from a propaganda script?
I want my MTV!

So you're saying that you're unable to form your own opinion?
 

Britboy

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We don't watch TV and have cancelled our service, as we don't really have any free time to waste on it, I'd rather play a computer game for an hour. We have plenty of movies stockpiled if we want to watch a movie together (thanks netflix!).
 

Moonbeam

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TV is not the issue. We are all brainwashed by one means or another. Only self analysis has any chance at all to illuminate the errors of our assumptions. Unless you have mercilessly and without any compromise whatsoever, destroyed all the beliefs and feelings rooted in you by all manner of external experience and self delusions you can't claim what you think as your own. And when you get to the end of this you will discover, I think, that you know nothing at all. It will also be ok to watch television.

People assume things because they were made to feel like fools for their ignorance. To surrender to the knowledge we know nothing brings back up all that pain. The truth seeker is he who dies by killing his false self, his comforting illusions.
 

Bitek

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Originally posted by: novon
I cut out cable - the commercials suck and ratio of good shows to crap was 1:50

I just have local channels now (for news once in a while, public access, PBS), and the rest I get NetFlix + TV shows that are actually educational or interesting downloaded commercial free + Internet.

Much better use of time, and no brain rot! Saves a lot on cable bills too.

Same here. When I moved last I didn't setup the antenna for 8mos. Didn't miss TV at all (only had the free basic before that came with the townhome assoc fees.)

Had to hook up the antenna for football season, but typically that is all I watch, that and news and PBS stuff. Mostly if I have a desire to watch TV I just whatever I've Netfilx'd (movies, anime, Galctica.) That way I only watch ~1hr a day of things that are wotrth watching, move on and do other things. I'm happy not to get sucked in, spend you're whole night watching crap, then going to bed wondering where you life went.
 

shrumpage

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We keep TV viewing down to a minium. Kids sometimes get to watch a few minutes before school once they are all ready and occasionly get to watch a movie after school. Weather here in winter can be particularly nasty so we let 'em watch a little more this time of year. Sometimes we all play a video game togather - other wise the TV stays off. The Mrs. and I will sometimes watch a movie at night - but us actually watching TV, its maybe 1 hour a week, and thats a maybe.

For news i read the newspaper, listen to NPR and the occasional talk show - keeps me fairly up to date.

It does force us as parents to find other activities to do as a family or just the kids by themselves, but I find it is worth it. Every hour of TV you don't watch is an hour you could be doing something else.

Disclaimer: I was a raised in a family where the TV was always on, and we (the kids) could watch pretty much non-stop.

 

piasabird

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Most of what is on TV is not worth watching, and I am not interested in watcing it. I learned more about history playing MS Age of Empires than watching TV. I think TV and the Internet may evolve to movies on demand. I do like watching some movies over and over. What would be nice to me is a Juke Box DVD Player.
 

BarneyFife

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I guess we have no sports fans or even people that watch the local news to get a weather report etc... You guys are weird.
 

Bitek

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Originally posted by: BarneyFife
I guess we have no sports fans or even people that watch the local news to get a weather report etc... You guys are weird.


uh...

Same here. When I moved last I didn't setup the antenna for 8mos. Didn't miss TV at all (only had the free basic before that came with the townhome assoc fees.)

Had to hook up the antenna for football season, but typically that is all I watch, that and newsand PBS stuff...yada yada ....

I'm happy not to get sucked in, spend you're whole night watching crap, then going to bed wondering where you life went.
 

Looney

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Originally posted by: BarneyFife
I guess we have no sports fans or even people that watch the local news to get a weather report etc... You guys are weird.

I don't watch sports... and as for weather, i get that from the internet or the weather channel. Much easier than watching for 30mins only to catch 5mins of weather, that may or may not be uptodate.
 

Steeplerot

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I know just how author feels, I haven't owned a tv since 1989, and when I see one I am amazed at the garbage and little messages about what american "society" is supposed to be like or something, you can tell suburbanites who watch a lot of it, they have a very skewed view of reality that seems to come right from the tube, regardless, it does make you kind of a outcast at work parties or something, but it's the heroin box that sucks their brains. Pretty sad.
 

CQuinn

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I watch TV and I post to P&N.

Some of you do not watch TV, but I still see you posting to P&N.

<Insert ironic commentary about the quality of time wasted here>.

 

CSMR

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Originally posted by: Dissipate
My parents took out my TV when I was about 5 or 6 years old. I used to resent them for doing that and my friends would always ask me what the heck I did without a TV. But in retrospect I think it was great my parents did that.

I continue to live without a TV, but when I do watch it occasionally (when I am over at someone else's house) I am always appalled by the trash that is on there. I really couldn't care less about any of the news networks, the so-called intellectual channels like History have watered down documentaries and I can't friggin' stand all the commercials.

One thing is for sure, the so-called 'news' channels play an integral role in what James Bovard calls Attention Deficit Democracy. Millions of people out there are basing their opinions on literally 30 second sound bites and 5 minute interviews.
Yes, I agree, television is a bane on life. I don't have a television, but for me the internet is almost as bad.
 

Martin

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I've had 1 channel since I moved, and I use that to watch Jon Stewart occasionally. But I see no point in having such a negative attitude towards TV. I just download whatever shows I like and watch those. Stuff like 24 or Rome is entertaining and enjoyable, so I see no reason to boycott it just because its on TV.
 
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