Logans Run & 1984 is Here:5-1-04 Chicago installs surveillance cameras on every street corner

[dirtboy]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: dirtboy

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Ah, but unlike you my Tin Foil Hat repels the RF waves.

You should send me one. Nevertheless, profiling works and if it will keep our country safe, then I will be supportive of it, even if I am profiled.

Sure Martial Law under the 4th Reich is safe.

Okay, whatever you say. Nobody but you brought up martial law or the 4th reich, but then again your are a paranoid fear monger person who loves bad news. Too bad your life is so miserable. I bet you're even afraid of your own shadow.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: dirtboy

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: dirtboy

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Ah, but unlike you my Tin Foil Hat repels the RF waves.

You should send me one. Nevertheless, profiling works and if it will keep our country safe, then I will be supportive of it, even if I am profiled.

Sure Martial Law under the 4th Reich is safe.

Okay, whatever you say. Nobody but you brought up martial law or the 4th reich, but then again your are a paranoid fear monger person who loves bad news. Too bad your life is so miserable. I bet you're even afraid of your own shadow.

Course not, I have my Tin Foil Hat to light the way, kind of like Rudolph's nose

 

[etech]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: dirtboy

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Ah, but unlike you my Tin Foil Hat repels the RF waves.

You should send me one. Nevertheless, profiling works and if it will keep our country safe, then I will be supportive of it, even if I am profiled.

Sure Martial Law under the 4th Reich is safe.

Godwin's Law

Godwin's Law prov. [Usenet] "As a Usenet discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one." There is a tradition in many groups that, once this occurs, that thread is over, and whoever mentioned the Nazis has automatically lost whatever argument was in progress. Godwin's Law thus practically guarantees the existence of an upper bound on thread length in those groups. However there is also a widely- recognized codicil that any intentional triggering of Godwin's Law in order to invoke its thread-ending effects will be unsuccessful.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: etech

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: dirtboy

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Ah, but unlike you my Tin Foil Hat repels the RF waves.

You should send me one. Nevertheless, profiling works and if it will keep our country safe, then I will be supportive of it, even if I am profiled.

Sure Martial Law under the 4th Reich is safe.

Godwin's Law

Godwin's Law prov. [Usenet] "As a Usenet discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one." There is a tradition in many groups that, once this occurs, that thread is over, and whoever mentioned the Nazis has automatically lost whatever argument was in progress. Godwin's Law thus practically guarantees the existence of an upper bound on thread length in those groups. However there is also a widely- recognized codicil that any intentional triggering of Godwin's Law in order to invoke its thread-ending effects will be unsuccessful.

Gonna re-name that Law yet???

 

[dirtboy]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Course not, I have my Tin Foil Hat to light the way, kind of like Rudolph's nose

Doubtful... You take ques from your hero Kerry and change the way you're wearing your hat every 5 minutes, then swear you never wore it any other way.

 

[MadRat]

Cool, Logan's Run really?? I want one of those fancy toy guns they shoot everyone with, the ones that flash out the end perpindicular to the shot's path...

 

[Zephyr106]

Everyone is overreacting here. Have you all taken your Equilibrium shots for the day?

Zephyr

 

[etech]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: etech

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: dirtboy

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Ah, but unlike you my Tin Foil Hat repels the RF waves.

You should send me one. Nevertheless, profiling works and if it will keep our country safe, then I will be supportive of it, even if I am profiled.

Sure Martial Law under the 4th Reich is safe.

Godwin's Law

Godwin's Law prov. [Usenet] "As a Usenet discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one." There is a tradition in many groups that, once this occurs, that thread is over, and whoever mentioned the Nazis has automatically lost whatever argument was in progress. Godwin's Law thus practically guarantees the existence of an upper bound on thread length in those groups. However there is also a widely- recognized codicil that any intentional triggering of Godwin's Law in order to invoke its thread-ending effects will be unsuccessful.

Gonna re-name that Law yet???

Nope, it's not my law to rename.

 

[dmcowen674]

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WASHINGTON (UPI) -- The U.S. Department of Health and Human Services
said Thursday that it was about to begin testing a new technology
designed to help more closely monitor and assist the nation's homeless
population.

Under the pilot program, which grew out of a series of policy academies
held in the last two years, homeless people in participating cities will
be implanted with mandatory Radio Frequency Identification (RFID) tags
that social workers and police can use track their movements.

The RFID technology was developed by HHS' Health Resources and Services
Administration (HRSA) in partnership with five states, including
California and New York. "This is a rare opportunity to use advanced
technology to meet society's dual objectives of better serving our
homeless population while making our cities safer," HRSA Administrator
Betty James Duke said.

The miniscule RFID tags are no larger than a matchstick and will be
implanted subdermally, meaning under the skin. Data from RFID tracking
stations mounted on telephone poles will be transmitted to police and
social service workers, who will use custom Windows NT software to track
movements of the homeless in real time.

In what has become a chronic social problem, people living in shelters
and on the streets do not seek adequate medical care and frequently
contribute to the rising crime rate in major cities. Supporters of
subdermal RFID tracking say the technology will discourage implanted
homeless men and women from committing crimes, while making it easier
for government workers to provide social services such as delivering
food and medicine.

Duke called the RFID tagging pilot program "a high-tech,
minimally-intrusive way for the government to lift our citizens away
from the twin perils of poverty and crime." Participating cities include
New York City, San Francisco, Washington, and Bethlehem, Penn.

Participating states will receive grants of $14 million to $58 million
from the federal Projects for Assistance in Transition from Homelessness
(PATH) program, which was created under the McKinney Act to fund support
services for the homeless. A second phase of the project, scheduled to
be completed in early 2005, will wirelessly transmit live information on
the locations of homeless people to handheld computers running the
Windows CE operating system.

A spokesman for the National Coalition for the Homeless, which estimates
that there are between 2.3 million and 3.5 million people experiencing
homelessness nationwide, said the pilot program could be easily abused.
"We have expressed our tentative support for the idea to HRSA, but only
if it includes privacy safeguards," the spokesman said. "So far it's
unclear whether those safeguards will actually be in place by roll-out."

Chris Hoofnagle, deputy director of the Electronic Privacy Information
Center, said the mandatory RFID program would be vulnerable to a legal
challenge. "It is a glaring violation of the Tenth Amendment, which says
that powers not awarded to the government are reserved to the people,
and homeless people have just as many Tenth Amendment rights as everyone
else," said Hoofnagle, who is speaking about homeless privacy at this
month's Computers Freedom and Privacy conference in Berkeley, Calif.

While HRSA's program appears to be the first to forcibly implant humans
with RFID tags, the technology is becoming more widely adopted as
retailers use it to track goods. Wal-Mart Stores said last year that it
will require its top 100 suppliers to place RFID tags on shipping crates
and pallets by January 2005.

 

[Graphicd00d]

And you call yourself an American.

Don't even call yourself an american either! Sounds like you would be happy living in Russia or 1940's Germany!

Let put something here that you probably haven't even read.



Amendment IV
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.


You may not know this but it's our 4th amendment right from the Constitution.

My forefathers fought for this! The majority of them lost everything to fight for their rights and for their childern and future generations to enjoy those rights (as you are now) that they were born with.

You may enjoy living in fear that the terrorist will attack if you don't give up your rights but don't try to take away everyone elses rights!

THIS IS AMERICA!!!! NOT RUSSIA OR 1940'S GERMANY!!!!

America is about being able to live you life without government inteference.

Go read the US Constitution and your Bill of Rights (First 10 amendments) if you are an american. You might learn something.

 

[dmcowen674]

Google plans to buy data mining firm
Published: April 1 2004 12:33 | Last Updated: April 1 2004 12:33

Google is in negotiations to purchase Acxiom Corporation, the massive
data warehousing company that has been embroiled in numerous privacy
scandals over the last few years.

Sources close to the talks said Thursday that the search engine company
hoped to use Acxiom's databases, which feature information on nearly
every American family, to optimize search results, share more
information with law enforcement, and target advertisements with greater
accuracy. Acxiom's expertise is intended to allow Google to make money
from its new Gmail concept, which gives every user a gigabyte of free
email space.

"This is a great way to leverage Acxiom's industry-leading collections
of personal information on Americans and deliver more value to all of
Google's customers and advertisers," a Google executive participating
in the talks said. While no details are final, one source said the
purchase could be around $1.8 billion, an affordable sticker price for
a company valued at over $15 billion in an expected initial public
offering.

Acxiom, based in Little Rock, Ark., sells police and corporate customers
products including InfoBase, touted as the "largest collection of U.S.
consumer" data, and Personicx, which tracks the "specific consumer
behavior" of almost every American and can sort households into one of
70 distinctive segments. Acxiom and JetBlue were involved in a scandal
last year after providing personal information on Americans to the
Transportation Security Administration, and documents obtained under the
Freedom of Information Act show that Acxiom would have been a primary
source for the Defense Department's short-lived Total Information
Awareness project.

To offset the cost of providing up to 1 GB of email storage, Google
plans to employ real-time customer data integration (CDI) to target
offers based on the link between email content and information about
each family in Acxiom's vast databases. "This is a truly innovative,
unique solution that provides consumers with real value," said a source
close to Acxiom Company Leader Charles Morgan. "Because we know their
drugstore shopping habits, CDI can show them ads for condom, birth
control pills, or day-after pills, whichever is most appropriate."

Google spokesman Nate Tyler declined to comment on the proposed
acquisition.

Lisa Dean, chief privacy officer for the Transportation Security
Administration, applauded the proposed deal, noting that the CDI
system would be designed to detect terrorist conversations in Gmail
and forward the relevant email correspondence to law enforcement.

Because Google sets what's known as a "cookie" that records all
searches ever done on a specific computer, it has accumulated a wealth
of data about hundreds of millions of Internet users. By linking that
CDI data with Acxiom's information about family income, shopping
habits, and bank account balances, Google expects itself to be in the
enviable, and profitable, position of being the largest personal
information repository on the planet.

Acxiom's shares increased 2.8 percent Thursday to $22.58 on word of the
pending deal. In anticipation of the purchase, Acxiom on Wednesday cut
230 jobs and upped its earnings estimate for the fourth quarter ending
March 31.


Company sites:

http://gmail.google.com/

http://www.acxiom.com/
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[dmcowen674]

This is just Wow. Recently the Spainards backed out of Iraq and now this report where the citizens willingly get themselves tracked like cattle, all Italian Government employees abouyt to be implanted and they are pushing for all Gun owners to be chip implanted first.

Every person's transactions are recorded.
Every person's movements are tracked and recorded by GPS as well.


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Delivered-To: dfarber+@ux13.sp.cs.cmu.edu
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 10:37:14 -0400
From: "Trei, Peter" <ptrei@rsasecurity.com>
Subject: Nightclub implants RFID chips in patrons.
To: "'dave@farber.net'" <dave@farber.net>
Cc: "Trei, Peter" <ptrei@rsasecurity.com>

Dave: For IP, if you wish.

I realize that WND is not generally considered the best researched
of new sources, but Googling "Baja Beach Club" RFID' shows
numerous confirming articles. One of the best summaries is at:
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/april2004/040704bajabeachclub.htm

Club site:
http://www.baja-beachclub.com/bajaes/
Click on 'VIP' to find a (Spanish) interview with the club director
concerning the chips.

The WND article discusses many other proposed uses for the
chips, some of which I include below.

Peter Trei

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http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=38038

WorldNetDaily

Wednesday, April 14, 2004

YOUR PAPERS, PLEASE ...
Paying for drinks with wave of the hand
Club-goers in Spain get implanted chips for ID, payment purposes
Posted: April 14, 2004
5:00 p.m. Eastern

By Sherrie Gossett

Being recognized has never been easier for VIP patrons of the Baja Beach
Club in Barcelona, Spain.

Like a scene out of a science-fiction movie, all it takes is a
syringe-injected microchip implant for the beautiful men and women of the
nightclub scene to breeze past a "reader" that recognizes their identity,
credit balance and even automatically opens doors to exclusive areas of the
club for them.

They can buy drinks and food with a wave of their hand and don't need to
worry about losing a credit card or wallet.

[...]

Will the implant only be of use at the Baja?

"The objective of this technology is to bring an ID system to a global
level that will destroy the need to carry ID documents and credit cards,"
Chase said.

During a recent American radio interview, Chase said the CEO of VeriChip,
Dr. Keith Bolton, had told him that the company's goal was to market the
VeriChip as a global implantable identification system.

[...]

Chase believes all gun owners should be required to have a microchip
implanted in their hand to be able to own a gun. While yesterday's
Associated Press story on the prototype is primarily from the angle of
police usage, WND reported two years ago that from the he outset of the
company's acquisition of its "Digital Angel" implant patent ñ said to be
GPS trackable ñ Applied touted the implant as a potential universal method
of gun control.

Chase also claimed that the VeriChip company had told him that the Italian
government was preparing to implant government workers.

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[LordMagnusKain]

I don't know what smells worse: your intellectual dishonesty and spewing of outright lies, or bush's setup for illegal violations of personal freedom.

 

[dmcowen674]

Ah, 1984 Big Brother is firmly here. First Red Light Camers now Rear Window Cameras everywhere:

5-1-2004 Entire City Neighborhoods being fitted with surveillance cameras

CHICAGO - Renee Singletary has noticed a big change since police mounted a conspicuous video camera near the West Side barber shop where she has worked for a decade. The camera is one of 30 installed last summer by Chicago police as high-tech scarecrows to chase off gangs and street thugs.

The remote-controlled cameras ? mounted on lamp posts high above intersections in rough neighborhoods ? can rotate 360 degrees and zoom in tight enough to read a license plate, feeding video directly to squad-car laptops.

"It's so much quieter now," said Singletary, 42. "Before, there were kids hanging out doing whatever. It was unsafe to walk around."

Fifty upgraded cameras to be installed later this year will have sensors to detect bullets whizzing through the air, relaying the precise location of gunfire to dispatchers.

I think they're a violation of people's civil liberties," said Hendon, who said he has received complaints from residents who fear the cameras can zoom into their windows. "People going about their everyday lives shouldn't be spied on by Big Brother."

Some residents said gang members simply moved their business to the side streets ? a phenomenon experts call displacement.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

I knew there was a reason I put on my hard-hat when I went outside this morning...

CkG