Logitech MX-1000 Laser Mouse

[Mem]

Looks cool but not justifiable

I`ll be buying it,my aging Logitech Optical Mouseman Wheel has served me well but is getting very old,lithium battery is another plus point,you can bet Logitech will bring out a corded version of this mouse.

 

[edmundoab]

its using RF? hmm..

 

[mjrand]

Whats so strange about using RF? Many mice use it.

 

[Maverick]

ouch high price...I'll wait till it comes down to the 50 range and then wait for a deal.

 

[Velk]

Originally posted by: bignateyk
Ive used my MX700 now for several months, and I love it. I am a hardcore gamer, and anyone who claims that a good USB or wireless mouse causes them lag is either just full of it and looking for excuses as to why the suck, or has a REALLY crappy computer otherwise.

My previous PC was an athlon 2000 running on one of the early KT400 boards ( NS7 maybe ? I forget ) and it gave me a lot of problems with my MS USB mouse, mostly in the form of suddenly moving more slowly than before or pausing for brief fractions of a second. It drove me nuts, but worked fine using the PS/2 adapter. The same mouse on a newer nforce2 board had no problems at all.

Whether it was a driver problem or a hardware issue I don't know, but I can say you not having experienced lag using a USB mouse does not mean that *noone* experienes lag using a USB mouse.

 

[amol]

if they package that with an awesome keyboard, i just may sell my mx duo and get that . . . but probably if they make usb 5.0 or firewire supported . . .

 

[S7ATiC]

1) VirualLarry: because every time you move the mouse one "tick", it moves the crosshair several screen pixels
True that. More Hz. the PS/2 can run at 200Hz - 200 updates per second.
It's an uber-Pentium 4 effect.. except, with no exaggerated pipeline.. heh..
It definantly effects your capabilities.

USB operates at 125hz. 125 updates per second.

2) USB components and peripherals are a tad more expensive, but you get more with USB. Faster information exchange is the primary bonus. Instead of transmitting information one character or byte at a time, USB components transfer pre-determined sizes of packets of information that are typically 8, 16, 32 or 64 bytes in size.
Yes, they transfer more data per second, by far.
Yep. Alot of good that does when we're only sending Button, X, Y, WheelDelta, Battery Status..
It's like sticks of memory.. higher mhz = lower latency... BUT, when you compare DDR1 to DDR2 at 'relativly' equivelant bandwidths, you have DDR1 @ 200mhz effective 400mhz, and DDR2 at 100mhz effective 400mhz - because of it's extra "width" per clock cycle.. however, you will have lower performance with the DDR2, because your CPU will be wanting more commands to be executed than the memory can, so it queues them, and then executes them en masse - where with (edit; not DDR2) DDR, it's queue wait time is half of that, thus it can normally get more from DDR1 than DDR2, per scale.

This isn't as big of an issue if you're pulling huge textures, as your CPU will know to queue large blocks. It's not so much a problem with audio, again, large blocks. But now, let's get down to mouse movements..

PS/2 > USB, even if USB ((~100 kilobits) * (~125 cycles/sec)) at ~12 MEGAbits/s (12,000,000b), and PS/2 ((~128 bits) * (~200 cycles/sec)) at 256 KILObits/sec (256,000b).. because of the Hz.

It's all about the Hz baby. we need MEGAHZ. We do not have even a 1Mhz (1,000,000hz) input device, yet we have 3 GIGAhz (3,000,000,000hz) processors. If we had a 1Mhz human interface device, then we would not have this mouse-sensitivity-per-resolution problem that as of current, only high-resolution interfacing, gaming enthusiasts, and graphical artists (WHO I MIGHT ADD, USING WACOM TABLETS, USE THE PS/2 PORT, or even more rare input devices and interfaces) are able to pick up on.

Not everyone is a sniper, but there are a few.

I, for example, am not a sniper. I use a mx900, on a custom hack job laptop, and write applications, modifications, and other little doohickies - mostly for work.

But then I go play FarCry, or Doom 3, and I expect to play at 1024x768 minimum resolution - even if it means I must turn off the oh-so-beautiful antialiasing, anisotropic, extra lighting, etc, and be able to tag big baddies in their foreheads.

At 125 updates a second through USB, infront of a 2.4Ghz 1Mbs bluetooth buffer, being filled by a single internally buffered, antialiased, and over-motion compensating, 500hz optical sensor.. There are times I miss not only because I suck at aiming (although I am no reeling freebirth lancer)..
.. but because I was 1 frame out of 30 visual frames per second short, under a correct physical mouse movement - I was whacked by a blunt or clawed object, that could have been avoided.

I don't realise it when it happens at first, I just go 'dammit'. And try again.

After multiple occurances, possibly because of the way my mind buffers these frames, because I programmed the actions per frame, I am able to pick up on this effect.

Latency is the bane of the sniper, the close quarter combatist, the artist, the enthusiast, and on rare occasions, me.

If you can't feel the hert, we're not on the same frequency; suck, my clock, twitch.
I have a serious optical tick. You don't know how much it hertz.

 

[n7]

Review added to first post

 

[imported_Jaybo]

I should note that I am one of those hardcore gamers that cannot stand using any mouse acceleration whatsoever. I can't get used to it.

Review of the MX1000 mouse

 

[Adul]

mmm

where is the drool icon

 

[imported_Jaybo]

Lol

 

[ViperV990]

Uh, why has noone asked this question:

What's the resolution of the new sensor?


And then... anyone else feeling uncomfortable about the fact that Logitech actually built a battery gauge into the mouse?

 

[NeoV]

I have mine working just fine - had to set the "Back" button to "generic button" in the SetPoint settings to get FireFox to recognize it as a back button...

Is any of that PS2 vs USB stuff accurate that uber-l33t guy spoke of?


My 5 minutes of use review - mouse wheel is the smoothest I've ever used.

At work or at home, I've used nearly all of Logitech's recent mice - MX700, 900, 510, and now this, and yes, I like it the best...it takes a minute or two to get used to having to use your pinky more than with the others, but it feels natural very quickly...I'm not a big fan of the side-scrolling capability, perhaps I'll get more used to that as time goes by...

Played some Doom3 with it, mapping the buttons worked just fine, and it is extremely sensitive - mouse acceleration turned off, but I could still tell it was much more sensitive than the MX510 - I'm using one of those C4 mousepads (its just stuck on my tabletop, no mousepad underneath), but it feels great.

I'm impressed.

 

[sharkeeper]

LOL, look at the current consumption! It's either 600 or 800mA! Either way, this mouse will die if not put on the charger as soon as you leave your desk! (notice the power switch to turn it off) It's going to be much worse than the MX700 in that regard. Also, 4.2V indicates LiPoly batts so there is no putting a readily available battery in there in case you need it right now! (like the MX700)

Cheers!

 

[mindblogg]

I have a microsoft Intellimouse (wired, optical with front & back page buttons). Am quite satisfied with that as it works for all my purposes. I paid $12 for it on ebay. I think the logitechs MX 700 & later are a bit of an overkill.
The lowest price I could find for the logitech 700 was like $31 plus shipping and averages at about $56. The soon to be launched MX-1000 would surely beat this at $90+. I rather put this money on a better graphics card or LCD. But thats just my opnion

 

[imported_Jaybo]

Sharkeeper, that's an interesting made-up theory. I've been using it for heavy gaming and browsing for 3 days now off one charge, and only one led turned off.

Holy crap I've been Slashdotted...

Here

 

[Bateluer]

This MX1000 mouse is not listed on Logitech's site yet. Looks like a cool mouse to me. Wireless mice are great for my desktop and setup.

My MX700 has served admirably for the last year and I wouldn't trade it for anything else right now though.

sharkeeper, I am confused by your last post. Are you saying the MX700 has horrible battery life? If that be the case, then I must disagree. Using my computer and mouse constantly over a 3 day weekend brings my batteries into the 'low' rating. And simply placing the mouse in its cradle over night solves the problem entirely. I suspect the MX1000 will be similar.

What I would be curious to know is if the MX1000 can fit in the MX700's cradle?

 

[sharkeeper]

sharkeeper, I am confused by your last post. Are you saying the MX700 has horrible battery life? If that be the case, then I must disagree. Using my computer and mouse constantly over a 3 day weekend brings my batteries into the 'low' rating. And simply placing the mouse in its cradle over night solves the problem entirely. I suspect the MX1000 will be similar.

It's horrible in that I always seem to forget to put it on charge and it craps out when I need it most.

Typically, about three to four days of daily (work) use causes the red light to flash. I also have 2400mAh AA's installed in mine!

The MX1000 has a LiPoly battery. These can have impressive capacities given their size. Since I don't have the mouse at hand, I don't know what the capacity is. Since the current draw is so high, they have opted to use this battery technology as NiMH would provide annoyingly short charge life. (much worse than MX700)

What I would be curious to know is if the MX1000 can fit in the MX700's cradle?

No it won't and even if it did it would not charge. Li Chargers are completely different than NiMH. Improper charging of Li batts can cause fire and/or explosion with release of toxic materials. Not something you want to play with!


Cheers!

 

[WHipLAsh13]

Originally posted by: So

Originally posted by: yankeesfan<BR>people will still find lag

<BR><BR><BR>Of course, it's their imagination compiend with their need to be different and the fact that they enjoy griping.

People need excuses to why they suck at a video game. When in doubt blame the hardware.

 

[Bateluer]

Originally posted by: sharkeeper

sharkeeper, I am confused by your last post. Are you saying the MX700 has horrible battery life? If that be the case, then I must disagree. Using my computer and mouse constantly over a 3 day weekend brings my batteries into the 'low' rating. And simply placing the mouse in its cradle over night solves the problem entirely. I suspect the MX1000 will be similar.

It's horrible in that I always seem to forget to put it on charge and it craps out when I need it most.

Typically, about three to four days of daily (work) use causes the red light to flash. I also have 2400mAh AA's installed in mine!

That'd be your own fault for not putting on the charger. I believe mine is using the same 1700mAH batteries it came with for the last 9 months.

 

[imported_Phil]

Originally posted by: S7ATiC

Latency is the bane of the sniper, the close quarter combatist, the artist, the enthusiast, and on rare occasions, me.<BR><BR>If you can't feel the hert, we're not on the same frequency; suck, my clock, twitch.<BR>I have a serious optical tick. You don't know how much it hertz.

<snip>'d enormous amount of info.

What on earth are you talking about?

 

[renierh]

i work for a hardware sales company and had the chance to order it yesterday. we have this online inventory system wich is linked to the 4 big hardware importers in our country, and we can see there stock realtime. the had a big order comin in of approx 4000 mx1000, wich we watched going down to 3 in half a day.

my guess is that this is going to be the mx510 all over again.. they will be for sale, but no one will have them!

that said, i got mine today! i know of a couple of ppl who got it before me here, but my guess is i'm still with the first 100 ppl who got one!

can't wait to get home and test it. i got the Logitech Ultra X OEM keyboard friday, so I'm all set for HL2....

 

[mi1stormilst]

I own the MX500 and the MXDUO I can't stand the MXDUO for gaming. MX500 rules...However the new one MX1000 looks interesting.

BIND = left scroll to pron ... BIND = right scroll to picture of wife and kids ... wife walks in ... LIGHTNING FAST right scroll click ... DOH! more pron ...BUSTED!

 

[Gillbot]

I just upgraded to a MX700 YESTERDAY and now I see this... DOH on me for not researching more! Looks like the wife will inherit a MX700 Mouse soon.

 

[grdh20]

comp usa has tons of them.