Logitech MX-1000 Laser Mouse

[obispee]

Lasers are inherently more efficient than LEDs in producing light power, that's why the military is using lasers to shoot down missiles instead of LEDS, its stimulated emission versus spontaneous emission baby!

 

[AdamRader]

Just picked this mouse up at the local Fry's. Came fully charged (at least as far as the LED indicators are concerned) and tracks like a dream. I've also still got my trusty MX500 and MX700 hooked up to this system and have to say the feel, and overall responsiveness of the 1000 is a worthwhile investment. The overall shape is, to me, an improvement as it seems to fit better in my hand.

The weight of the mouse is also not much worse than the MX700 and actually seems to slide around more easily. I have to get some sleep before work tonight, but in the morning i'll crack open UT2004 and see how it does. Probably give it a test run in Warcraft III too just to see if it gets me building units any quicker. =)

I did try both the mx700 and the 1000 out on my desktop, just slinging the mouse around a bit as fast as i could, and they dont seem to be too different as far as accuracy goes, but the 1000 does seem more responsive in that it feels as if it reacts to my hand in a more realtime fashion than the 700. The 700 always seemed to be a little laggy imho.

Anywho... off to sleep... and dreams of logitech...

Edit1: Reading some of the first page posts to this thread, someone asked if the mx1000 will work with the base station from an mx700. I can safely report that yes, it does. charges, and is able to connect and function normally. One note, tho.. only one of the two mice will work at the same time. Have to hit the connect button on the bottom of your chosen mouse, at which point it takes over the base.

Not sure if there would be any long-term issues with using the 700 base station with the 1000 mouse, specifically related to the battery. When I get home from work i'm gonna check the voltages on both of their A/C adapters just to see if they're the same. In any case, i'm not taking any chances.

 

[Adul]

Just picked up the MX1000 from Fry's today . It comes fully charged so you are ready to rock as soon as you get it home. My is sitting at my office desk waiting to be plugged in. Can't wait to get home.

 

[beatle]

Can anyone who has both (or has used both) comment on the weight of the mouse? I liked the MX700 in regards to its performance, but it was just way too heavy for me to use for games.

 

[sharkeeper]

The MX1000 is heavy! If I was using this in a crack house I could weigh it but I'm not...

Cheers!

 

[Adul]

yes it is heavier then the mx500, though I don't know how it compares to the MX700. Adam could input on that since he has both

 

[dc5]

Originally posted by: AdamRader
Edit1: Reading some of the first page posts to this thread, someone asked if the mx1000 will work with the base station from an mx500. I can safely report that yes, it does. charges, and is able to connect and function normally. One note, tho.. only one of the two mice will work at the same time. Have to hit the connect button on the bottom of your chosen mouse, at which point it takes over the base.

you mean the mx700 base? the mx500 isn't wireless... are you sure it's safe recharging the mx1000 on a mx700 base though? since one uses lithium ion and the other uses nimh. i currently have the mx duo and love the wireless keyboard and would rather buy another duo for the mx1000 mouse because i dont really want to base stations.

anyone hear anything about the next "mx duo" with the mx1000 mouse?

 

[AdamRader]

eek, yup, meant mx700. i was typing that with my eyes and brain halfway working.. i think...

To the person questioning the weight difference between the 700/1000, the 1000 *feels* lighter to me, but that could very easily be one of two things... The size of the mouse spreading its weight across my hand more, or my brain faking me out so i don't feel stupid for spending $80 on a mouse when i've already got a 500 and a 700 plugged into my system. It's hard to say which it is, but i certainly like the 1000. For the average person, or even gamers, the lower end models would probably still be more than enough, but hey, this is the kind of thing that disposable income is meant for. =)

 

[ssanches]

Originally posted by: Adul
Just picked up the MX1000 from Fry's today . It comes fully charged so you are ready to rock as soon as you get it home. My is sitting at my office desk waiting to be plugged in. Can't wait to get home.

Awaiting your review
Personally, I'd like to buy the MX-1000.....Just waiting for some reviews

 

[Adul]

Well I used it at work for a few hours then at home for a bit more.

Things I notice, the mouse is a bit shorter in length then the MX500. The weight difference between the two isn't as great as the MX500 and MX700. The feel of the buttons so far is good. The tracking of the mouse is deffinitely different from the MX500. Yes it feels more sensitive, so I am still adjusting my settings to compensate. But I do like it and the feel is better then MX500. I also like the new placement of the application button as well. The side scrolling works nice, and you still have the click feel from the scroll wheel, though it is not as noticable as the MX500. I need more time with the mouse to get a good feel for it.

 

[dunce]

Is anyone else having problems with the little "MX Laser" silver thing coming lose on the mouse?. I wonder if it?s just my mouse or a bigger problem with them all.

Thanks,
Paul

 

[sharkeeper]

Is anyone else having problems with the little "MX Laser" silver thing coming lose on the mouse?. I wonder if it?s just my mouse or a bigger problem with them all.

Is it the actual metal part? Mine had a plastic protective peel off coating on that and the badge on the front of the mouse. I removed both once I realised this.

Cheers!

 

[dunce]

Yup the actual metal part.

 

[everman]

I'm really interested in the feel and size of the mouse. Someone said it's a little shorter than the mx500? I've started using a ms wireless explorer 2.0 because I think it feels a little better than the mx500. No problems at all in gaming either.

 

[howiec]

100% agreed w/ all you said >> S7ATiC

Bleh, right now I should be doing my homework that's due today but I guess one thing leads to another on the net...dam distractions.

Anyways, I used to use a regular PS/2 MS Intellipoint mouse (with the 200hz rate setting of course...whoever's using PS/2 with less is probably crazy) but now I'm using the Razer Boomer Speed mouse w/ the USB interface. I do game (FPS, RTS, wutever's good) and I can say that I have had no latency/high CPU utilization issues with it.
It's accurate as hell but one thing I absolutely hate about it is that I can't move this Razer mouse at fast speeds like I could with the old Intellipoint one and not have ensuing erratic pointer movement.
With the old PS/2 mouse I could take crack shots (I like to call them "fast reflex shots") and move the mouse as fast as I wanted to in games like quake3 (arena mod).
I have not researched this but I blame this issue on the processor inside the Razer mouse (or at least inefficient coding that doesn't tackle high speed movement - overflow of data?).

I have tried older cordless Logitech mice (I must emphasize that these lacked Fast RF technology) and I hated the lag as it was way too noticeable for my taste. However, with the introduction of this MX1000 laser mouse, I am willing to test out its precision and the Fast RF feature. If it solves the "high speed movement" issue, I will definitely be willing to pay for the corded version (even if Fast RF is good, I prefer minimum latency).

Until the latency of mice is something like .000000001 seconds, until the update frequency is like 1MHz, until you can move the mouse as fast as you want within human physical limitations, and until the precision is like 20000 DPI, there is plenty of room for improvement - at least for the gamer, enthusiast, or professional artist et al.

 

[John]

I bought the MX1000 a few days ago, and I am not very fond of the ergonomics. I do not like the way the thumb area is contoured or the way it fits my hand. Maybe if I gave it a little more time to "settle in" I might change my mind, but since I'm a FPS enthusiast it hinders my game. I spend a lot of time playing UT2K4 CTF Instagib (as BYTES) and I since I move quickly and do a lot of fast turns, I cannot tell any difference at all as far as movement in the game is concerned between the MX1000 and my Intellimouse Explorer 3.0a. I'm going to return the MX1000 and stick with what has been a proven winner.

 

[nageov3t]

Originally posted by: Amol
if they package that with an awesome keyboard, i just may sell my mx duo and get that . . . but probably if they make usb 5.0 or firewire supported . . .

give it a few months... I'm guessing that they'll follow the same pattern as they did with the MX700. release the keyboard/mouse combo by Christmas, followed by bluetooth version.

if they packaged it with the diNovio keyboard, I'd buy it today.

 

[VirtualLarry]

Originally posted by: Velk

Originally posted by: bignateyk<BR>Ive used my MX700 now for several months, and I love it. I am a hardcore gamer, and anyone who claims that a good USB or wireless mouse causes them lag is either just full of it and looking for excuses as to why the suck, or has a REALLY crappy computer otherwise.<BR>

<BR><BR>My previous PC was an athlon 2000 running on one of the early KT400 boards ( NS7 maybe ? I forget ) and it gave me a lot of problems with my MS USB mouse, mostly in the form of suddenly moving more slowly than before or pausing for brief fractions of a second. It drove me nuts, but worked fine using the PS/2 adapter. The same mouse on a newer nforce2 board had no problems at all. <BR><BR>Whether it was a driver problem or a hardware issue I don't know, but I can say you not having experienced lag using a USB mouse does not mean that *noone* experienes lag using a USB mouse.

Interesting data-point, thanks. It may well be just that Via cheaped out, and their USB ports are CPU driven (PIO mode - as I suspect is the case), and better chipsets (Intel, NVidia) are DMA-driven. That would correlate strongly with what I've seen, under nearly 100% application CPU usage, the mous skips around like a mofo.

Another reason could be issues with the software layer. USB mice have to interact with a user-mode process, running as a "hidden" window, called HIDSERV.EXE. Under very heavy CPU load, there is a noticable latency before Windows' can schedule the execution of that process, and if the data captured by the hardware driver (at interrupt level), has then to be processed by this user-mode intermediary process, before being sent to the other application that requested the data (a game for example), it could easily lead to high enough latencies that the internal hardware or device-driver axis counters could overflow, leading to skipping of the mouse. In fact this can happen even with a PS/2 mouse too (it's a software thing not a hardware thing in this case). That was one reason why I uninstalled the Logitech mouse drivers, and went back to the MS built-in ones - because the Logitech ones run a background user-mode process to process the data (and support things like button/keyboard re-mapping), and that adds noticable latency to the input stream - totally unacceptable for gaming purposes.

XP actually makes this "software latency" issue much worse as well, because of two things - mice are always seen as "emulated" devices under DirectX, and XP's "enhanced pointer precision" feature also necessarily has to process input-stream packets, and delay them by a few frames, in order to "smooth out" their movement. (It basically works almost like vsync, but for mouse inputs.)

In fact, I think that's exactly what this article is talking about, when talking about "negative acceleration". The internal (to the hardware, or the hardware-level device-driver) counters are overflowing, because of the increased sensitivity of the device, as compared to how fast it is read (DPI vs polling Hz). Any temporary spike in CPU load, for a PIO-driven USB port can also cause this. Also, I'm not aware of any mouse input devices that implement true "negative acceleration" - only Trackpoint 3 and 4 series devices do.

 

[Cat]

So the registry tweak to get rid of XP's mouse acceleration really doesn't skirt this DirectInput issue? What if you just process WM_MOUSEMOVE messages, instead of going the DirectInput route?

 

[VirtualLarry]

Cat, in order to talk "directly" to input devices, Windows XP introduced a totally new set of APIs, called "RawInput". Most games are still written to use DirectInput instead, since that is what MS originally suggested that game devs use, and is cross-OS compatible (at least to the OSes that support DirectX/DirectInput - RawInput is only supported on XP).

There is also a different issue, which may or may not be bypassed by using the RawInput API. The default "mouse accelleration curve" in XP is different than W2K, and many gamers have suggested that it is inferior. There are some registry tweaks to change it back to what it was in W2K.

Edit: typo

 

[Cat]

Interesting. I just wrote some code to handle XBox controllers in an app at work. It was my first exposure to DirectX-anything. Adding Force Feedback support was fun. I'll have to take a look into the RawInput API.

 

[caz67]

A good mouse is very important in gaming..

 

[Luthien]

I recently switched to logitech myself after asking on these forums for a good corded mouse and know I own two MX510's and love them. All wireless mice that I have tried are laggy including wireless keyboards. They are a no no for FPS gaming.

 

[0roo0roo]

sweet review. i just know my mx700 and cordless mouseman optical both can't handle my wood desk with see through plastic writing pad/protector surface, gotta use a pad. mx700 barely moves on it, while the older mouse just is way erratic. probably easy for a mx1000.. ah well here's waiting for the next sale

 

[herky]

Bought this mouse today. Couple of troubles.

1) when using it in conjunction with my MS Wireless Optical Ergo Keyboard, the mouse cursor jumps everywhere. Interference with the keyboard obviously. I have an loder corded keyboard lying around and it works fine. I really want that wireless keyboard though...

2) the mouse "rocks" on my desk. It doesn't sit flat like every other mouse I've had. Anyone else enounter this? It drives me up the wall. And no, it's not the desk

Other than these two things, the mouse is great so far.