Originally posted by: ElementalDragon
I had to register just to post this. might not even visit forums again afterwards cause of the stupid people like him making a dumb review on a good product.
First off, you're complaining that it sucks for gaming because it doesn't respond the instant it comes in contact with a surface, and had to make a video to prove it. What are you, a complete idiot? How many games do you play, say first person shooters like Half-Life or something, where you're gonna try to aim at someone, and to do so you have to pick your mouse up and smack it off the table and pick it back up within a millisecond? i'm guessing never.
I find that I do it quite a bit, at least for normal computer operation. My cheapo Belkin 5-button optical, has no such "lag" involved with lifting and moving, unless it's lifted more than about 1cm from the surface. I suppose that I do it too in games - it has become an unconcious habit. I tend to use a relatively "small" mousing surface so that compounds the problem.
Originally posted by: ElementalDragon
Second, what's with the thread summary being "Don't buy this Beta product!"? Since when did big brand name corporations start releasing Beta hardware? on top of that, even if it WAS Beta hardware, you think they'd really be able to sell it for $80?
Plenty of companies release hardware onto the market before it is "ready", even far more expensive hardware. ATI, NVidia, Intel, to name a few. People are still waiting to be able to use the PVP in the 6800 AGP cards, even though they've been out for months. The unfortunate rumor is that the hardware itself is non-functional in the majority of the cards.
Plus, if nearly no other current optical mice suffer from this "defect", and it happens to be some sort of anomoly resulting from the use of this new laser-based sensor, then yes, I would definately conclude that it wasn't fully debugged, and therefore effectively "beta" hardware.
Oh yes, Plextor's newest 16x/DL DVD burner was recalled/held back too, due to issues with it burning on higher-speed media. So "beta" hardware happens all the time. If you've never noticed... well, what can I say. You need to follow the computer industry a little closer. It does happen all the time.
Originally posted by: ElementalDragon
i mean ya, i've seen people mention the very, VERY minute delay when the laser turns back on after being picked up, but nobody seemed to EVER whine about it as much as you did in this lame excuse of a review. i mean come on, even more popular websites have made great reviews going over every single good feature that the mouse has to offer, including how good it is for gaming even witht the very minute delay, and you have to make a "review", which seems like it would qualify more as a "Logitech Tech Support Complaint", cause the only thing you talked about was the delay. That's enough ranting for now.
Well, FWIW, I don't own one, but I've also read several reviews that mention negative points about the MX1000, not just the "lift-up delay", but of issues with "negative acceleration" (actually a mis-nomer), and of reduced sensitivity to some mousing surfaces as compared to the older MX510 opticals. I'm thinking of picking up an MX510 or a Razor Viper myself, I just haven't decided yet.
Originally posted by: ElementalDragon
too late to type as much as i really wanted to. that and the fact that most will probably only read a portion of what i typed and assume they know everything i typed without reading it all. Might stop back again to check the reply's, and might not. all depends on.... well.... if i feel like it.
Well, welcome to AT. As you can see, many of us have differing POVs on certain hardware. That is not a bad thing. If it works for you, then great! But there are quite a number of people that consider the "lift-up delay" to be a real issue, along with other things.
I personally kind of don't like "big mice" for gaming, although I do like the "feel" of the cordless MX300 for web-browsing. I didn't think that I would like it at first, based on the weight and being wireless, but the contoured shape did kind of grow on me, as it does fit my hand pretty well. On the other hand, the best optical mouse that I've used for gaming thus far, is a Genius/KYE-mfg'ed PS/2 optical that I picked up cheap, that's a two-button + scroll-wheel job, with a shape very much like the Razon Viper. I DO tend to "pick up" my mouse, and I use my thumb and pinky to do that, and my current Belkin had a shape that slopes outward like a pyramid, and that makes it *very* hard to effectively grasp without it slipping away. The KYE, and I assume the Viper, have absolutely straight-down sides to them, which is important for me.
What I want in a gaming mouse, is a small mouse, straight sides, contoured buttons, smooth but accurate detents on the scroll wheel, without requiring so much effort to click that the wheel also ends up scrolling, with a fast interface to reduce latency and the possibility of "negative acceleration" happening, and a high DPI. Also the sensor has to be "always on", and not skip. It sounds like the Viper fits the bill the best, but I'd want to try one out before shelling out the big $$$ for it. Mice shouldn't cost a lot, IMO. $80 is too steep for me.