Nice rebound into conspiracy.
The inspector general didn't publish the list of other groups delayed for reasons of privacy. You'd know that if you read source material.
Demanding lists of donors? Wut? Mighty touchy, there, mighty touchy indeed.
So, uhh, how many groups other than the Richmond Tea Party LLC have produced copies addressed to them, anyway? Is this an isolated incident, or the general case? Or are the screamers just trying to create an impression?
If you're already operating yet end up denied, such contributions fall under a whole different set of rules where disclosure is necessary. Only tax exempt organizations get to claim that the money just fell out of the sky, and you're not yet exempt, anyway.
By law, information supplied to the IRS is confidential, anyway, other than in the event of criminal prosecution.
I could follow your own conspiracy theory sort of reasoning to ask "What are they afraid of?" but I really won't.
I agree that the request seems excessively detailed, but so was my last trip to the drivers' license bureau. I wondered, momentarily, if they thought an anal probe would be necessary.
What, you aren't buying the narrative that the IRS ignoring the subpoena just shows this was all just an unfortunate accident?I think you've erred several times in the above.
But the bolded portion seems your primary point. It is, of course, incorrect.
Nonprofits' tax filing are readily available to the public. In fact, it's required by law.
So confidentiality isn't relevant here.
BTW: The IRS still hasn't supplied the list of organizations affected by the "BOLO". It was subpoenaed a long time ago.
Fern
I think you've erred several times in the above.
But the bolded portion seems your primary point. It is, of course, incorrect.
Nonprofits' tax filing are readily available to the public. In fact, it's required by law.
So confidentiality isn't relevant here.
BTW: The IRS still hasn't supplied the list of organizations affected by the "BOLO". It was subpoenaed a long time ago.
Fern
Spout all the BS you want but I am not a right winger.
Oh, please. The confidentiality of donors is maintained for 501c groups, which was my point entirely.
Donors are not listed on 501(c)(4) forms so there is no confidentiality to be maintained by the IRS.
After a contentious Wednesday hearing with IRS Commissioner John Koskinen, South Carolina Republican congressman Trey Gowdy threatened to hold the top tax official in contempt of Congress unless he produces disgraced IRS official Lois Lerners emails by the end of this week.
Gowdy spoke with Fox News Greta van Susteren about Wednesdays hearing, where a slew of GOP congressmen tore into Koskinens claim that responding to the Oversight committees subpoena for Lerners emails could take years.
The IRS continues to stonewall at every opportunity. Years to provide emails. Years.
Trey Gowdy threatens to hold IRS commissioner in contempt for withholding Lerner emails
Years? This only broke as a story last spring. Where do the "years" come from?
Are you OK!?!?!?! Did your knee hurt you when it jerked up and hit you on your chin!?!?!?!Years? This only broke as a story last spring. Where do the "years" come from?
He didn't even read the quote. That alone should have tipped him off.Did you bother to read the article, champ?
Are you OK!?!?!?! Did your knee hurt you when it jerked up and hit you on your chin!?!?!?!
At this point the IRS isn't even attempting to hide the fact that it is operating in support of the Democrat Party.The IRS continues to stonewall at every opportunity. Years to provide emails. Years.
Trey Gowdy threatens to hold IRS commissioner in contempt for withholding Lerner emails
Here's the other side of the story for those who can face contradictory views:The IRS continues to stonewall at every opportunity. Years to provide emails. Years.
Trey Gowdy threatens to hold IRS commissioner in contempt for withholding Lerner emails
Ouch. You know you're out on the wing-nut fringe when even Issa thinks you've gone overboard. (More at the link.)IRS Commissioner John Koskinen Crushes Republican's Contempt Of Congress Threat
WASHINGTON -- A frustrated Republican earned himself a fierce rebuke from Internal Revenue Service Commissioner John Koskinen on Wednesday for suggesting that the top taxman should be held in contempt of Congress.
Koskinen spent hours in front of the House Committee on Oversight & Government Reform for its ongoing probe of IRS targeting of political groups, often insisting the IRS will give the committee every document they are seeking in a subpoena, but that it will take years to do that lawfully.
The reason, Koskinen said, is that by law, members of the Oversight Committee are legally barred from access to individual taxpayers' personal information, and every single document must be reviewed by an expert in the law before it can be redacted and handed over.
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Even committee Chairman Darrell Issa (R-Calif.), who also thinks the IRS could provide more documents more quickly, thought some of his members went overboard.
"Mr. Commissioner, I appreciate you were treated well in some cases, and in some cases, our members went off topic," Issa said. "You handled yourself incredibly well."
Or they're following the law, which is somewhat the same thing.At this point the IRS isn't even attempting to hide the fact that it is operating in support of the Democrat Party.
Well, better late than never, I suppose. Totally coincidence that their lawbreaking and their law-following both benefit the Democrat Party, of course.Or they're following the law, which is somewhat the same thing.
Could be. I have no doubt that's how it appears to those who've already tried and convicted the IRS and the Obama administration based on the blatantly partisan lies and innuendo catapulted by Issa and his minions. It's not quite so clear to those who are waiting for credible evidence from a legitimate investigation before reaching conclusions. It is my understanding that the FBI is doing such an investigation, but they aren't giving Fox a steady stream of shills to spread the RNC talking points.Well, better late than never, I suppose. Totally coincidence that their lawbreaking and their law-following both benefit the Democrat Party, of course.
Yeah, it's a crying shame the IRS is so overworked helping people that they don't have time to prove their own unblemished innocence. When will people realize that exercising oversight doesn't mean your subpoenas get answered in a year or three? Have to give the system time to work. Come back in a decade and in the mean time, just relax knowing that Eric Holder is doing your work for you.Could be. I have no doubt that's how it appears to those who've already tried and convicted the IRS and the Obama administration based on the blatantly partisan lies and innuendo catapulted by Issa and his minions. It's not quite so clear to those who are waiting for credible evidence from a legitimate investigation before reaching conclusions. It is my understanding that the FBI is doing such an investigation, but they aren't giving Fox a steady stream of shills to spread the RNC talking points.
Yawn. Did you read the article I linked? To be clear, I don't know that Commissioner Koskinen's assertion is true, but I also do not know that it is false. If they truly have to have legal experts review and redact every single email, one at a time due to legal restrictions, I can see how it's going to take a damn long time to produce everything requested. If Issa and crew disagree, they're welcome to pursue contempt charges, but as Koskinen pointed out, they're going to have to make those charges stick in a real court of law. In other words, he told them to put up or shut up.Yeah, it's a crying shame the IRS is so overworked helping people that they don't have time to prove their own unblemished innocence. When will people realize that exercising oversight doesn't mean your subpoenas get answered in a year or three? Have to give the system time to work. Come back in a decade and in the mean time, just relax knowing that Eric Holder is doing your work for you.
Yep. Although Koskinen may have a point. Given that Lerner is probably the one who leaked to proggie groups confidential donor information from the conservative groups whose applications were languishing for years, her emails may well be chock full of confidential taxpayer tax information.I highly doubt it would take years and I more highly doubt that each individual tax entity needs to be gone through before providing emails pertaining to it. They should have came up with a better excuse...or, most likely, this is their excuse while the damaging emails are..."lost"....
Pleads the fifth again. What is she hiding?
Lois Lerner pleads the fifth again, doesn't testify on IRS targeting
Yawn. Did you read the article I linked? To be clear, I don't know that Commissioner Koskinen's assertion is true, but I also do not know that it is false. If they truly have to have legal experts review and redact every single email, one at a time due to legal restrictions, I can see how it's going to take a damn long time to produce everything requested. If Issa and crew disagree, they're welcome to pursue contempt charges, but as Koskinen pointed out, they're going to have to make those charges stick in a real court of law. In other words, he told them to put up or shut up.
Read the article.Don't members of Congress have essentially a classified, or secret clearance?
If so, I fail to see why anything needs to be reviewed, redacted, restricted, or sterilized. IMHO, when Congress asks you for something, you better damn well give it to them!
*If not Congress, then who?*