Lois Lerner - deja vu

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You know I just spent some time looking over the Constitution and I don't see anything about the Constitutional right of political action groups to get tax exempt status from the IRS. Your knowledge of the Constitution is yet again proven to be sub par.

The government treating Conservatives and liberals differently is a problem. Targeting the Tea Party and ignoring the progressive groups is a violation of the Constitution.

Nice to see you don't believe in free speech.
 

ivwshane

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The government treating Conservatives and liberals differently is a problem. Targeting the Tea Party and ignoring the progressive groups is a violation of the Constitution.

Nice to see you don't believe in free speech.

lol wut?!

Here is a clue for you, you half wit! Someone or entity could violate every law or constitutional right and they would still, not only be protected by their constitutional rights, they would also be granted every right. If you had the slightest fucking clue how our government works you wouldn't say 100% of the stupid shit you spout every time you post one of your dumb ass comments!

So yep! You better fucking believe I support her and her right to utilize the law the constitutional rights afforded to her because unlike your fucking ignorant ass, I support the constitution!

I'm so glad you aren't able to vote in the US!


I'll be waiting for your next reply which will totally ignore the point I made but will undoubtedly include the phrase, "you lost the debate because you resorted to personal attacks" because that's how fucking sad and predictable your lame ass is!

(You should change your name to predictable actually, it fits you slightly better than incorruptible, then again you certainly never let facts corrupt your amazingly hypocritical and fact free mind!)
 

Bowfinger

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Am I the only one that thinks that if a government employee needs to plead the fifth over the performance of their job duties that they should have their employment terminated?
That was my initial thought as well, clear back almost a year ago when Lerner first took the Fifth: http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=35044570&postcount=491

I'm no longer so sure about that. When it appeared to be merely a fact-finding investigation, I agreed refusing to cooperate is just cause for dismissal. Now that Issa seems to be looking for a criminal scapegoat (and the FBI is conducting a potential criminal investigation as well), any possible target has every right, both legal and moral, to invoke their Fifth Amendment rights. Of course it's moot now anyway since she "retired" (after being threatened with firing).
 

thraashman

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Look again. This time check out the 1st amendment.

Fern

Whether or not they are tax exempt does not affect their First Amendment rights.

The government treating Conservatives and liberals differently is a problem. Targeting the Tea Party and ignoring the progressive groups is a violation of the Constitution.

Nice to see you don't believe in free speech.

Nice to see you don't support the 5th Amendment and we already knew you didn't understand the First. Then again apparently neither does Fern.
 

werepossum

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Whether or not they are tax exempt does not affect their First Amendment rights.

SNIP
Actually it does. SCOTUS ruled that money (i.e. the ability to have one's free speech heard) equates to free speech and is thus protected as free speech. The IRS (with White House collusion or complacency, we do not yet know which) decided that some animals should be more equal than others and thus should enjoy financial benefits not awarded to other animals based solely on the political bent of the animals. (For the metaphorically challenged, animals here refer to human political groups a la Animal Farm, not actual animals.)
 

thraashman

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Actually it does. SCOTUS ruled that money (i.e. the ability to have one's free speech heard) equates to free speech and is thus protected as free speech. The IRS (with White House collusion or complacency, we do not yet know which) decided that some animals should be more equal than others and thus should enjoy financial benefits not awarded to other animals based solely on the political bent of the animals. (For the metaphorically challenged, animals here refer to human political groups a la Animal Farm, not actual animals.)

You know I just spent some time looking this up as well and I am surprised. But apparently, even though I don't have tax exempt status, I still have free speech. I know, I was shocked too.
 

Jhhnn

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Actually it does. SCOTUS ruled that money (i.e. the ability to have one's free speech heard) equates to free speech and is thus protected as free speech. The IRS (with White House collusion or complacency, we do not yet know which) decided that some animals should be more equal than others and thus should enjoy financial benefits not awarded to other animals based solely on the political bent of the animals. (For the metaphorically challenged, animals here refer to human political groups a la Animal Farm, not actual animals.)

Hogwash. Money itself was never an issue, but rather the anonymity of money. Non-profits must meet certain criteria for their donors to be anonymous.

Teatards all twisted about it? Of course. That's because their faux grassroots image probably doesn't match well with their funding sources. Donor anonymity is a key ingredient in the illusion.
 

werepossum

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You know I just spent some time looking this up as well and I am surprised. But apparently, even though I don't have tax exempt status, I still have free speech. I know, I was shocked too.
Which is totally a good reason why the IRS should decide that left-friendly groups skip taxes and right-friendly groups pay up. Really. I'm not just humoring you.

Hogwash. Money itself was never an issue, but rather the anonymity of money. Non-profits must meet certain criteria for their donors to be anonymous.

Teatards all twisted about it? Of course. That's because their faux grassroots image probably doesn't match well with their funding sources. Donor anonymity is a key ingredient in the illusion.
In the case of Lerner, that "certain criteria" was not being a right-leaning group.
 

Jhhnn

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Actually it does. SCOTUS ruled that money (i.e. the ability to have one's free speech heard) equates to free speech and is thus protected as free speech. The IRS (with White House collusion or complacency, we do not yet know which) decided that some animals should be more equal than others and thus should enjoy financial benefits not awarded to other animals based solely on the political bent of the animals. (For the metaphorically challenged, animals here refer to human political groups a la Animal Farm, not actual animals.)

In the case of Lerner, that "certain criteria" was not being a right-leaning group.

The second post in no way corrects the disinformation in the first post. You're just trying to spin away, hold to the agenda.
 
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Whether or not they are tax exempt does not affect their First Amendment rights.



Nice to see you don't support the 5th Amendment and we already knew you didn't understand the First. Then again apparently neither does Fern.

They violated the Constitution and you don't care. Lerner needs to face justice for what she did and should be locked up.
 

bshole

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I wish Darrell Issa would just die already. The man is a total disgrace.
 

emperus

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HomerJS

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Darrel Issa in a change of tactics will now call in to testify

Lois Lerner on Benghazi
Hillary Clinton on the IRS probe.

Fox News to give 24 hour coverage.
 
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huff n puff post, you guys are a riot.

It's not even a real newspaper but idiot leftists continue to support it. They are shills for obama. It's pathetic how these scumbag liberals dismiss the IRS scandal.

And hopefully Lois Lerner isn't able to get away with what she did, she needs to face justice. Lock her up for violating their rights.
 

boomerang

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Well, there are a number of new developments. Elijah Cummings is right at the heart of the latest. Lois Lerner fed confidential True the Vote tax information to Mr. Cummings. He had denied this up to the point that recent email releases indicated otherwise. Looks like he's been running interference within the investigation to cover his own ass.

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiep...the-vote-to-democrat-elijah-cummings-n1822247

Yesterday, the House Ways and Means Committee voted to hold Lois Lerner in contempt. There are calls for her arrest.

House Republicans won't rule out arresting Lois Lerner if Justice Department doesn't

It's clear that Republicans are not backing down. This investigation will run it's course. In question now is whether Holder will do his job in regards to Lois Lerner. I'm sure he'll do whatever Obama wishes him to do.
 

Bowfinger

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Well, there are a number of new developments. Elijah Cummings is right at the heart of the latest. Lois Lerner fed confidential True the Vote tax information to Mr. Cummings. He had denied this up to the point that recent email releases indicated otherwise. Looks like he's been running interference within the investigation to cover his own ass.

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiep...the-vote-to-democrat-elijah-cummings-n1822247
I'm not sure if you're being willfully dishonest, or are merely too intellectually crippled to think for yourself, but the information provided does not support your claim that Lerner provided confidential information. If you read the emails, you will find that they explicitly ask only for publicly available information. You've been duped yet again.


Yesterday, the House Ways and Means Committee voted to hold Lois Lerner in contempt. There are calls for her arrest.

House Republicans won't rule out arresting Lois Lerner if Justice Department doesn't

It's clear that Republicans are not backing down. This investigation will run it's course. In question now is whether Holder will do his job in regards to Lois Lerner. I'm sure he'll do whatever Obama wishes him to do.
Just to clarify, the FBI is conducting an investigation. The Republicans are putting on a show for the rubes. Get your peanuts.
 

HomerJS

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Well, there are a number of new developments. Elijah Cummings is right at the heart of the latest. Lois Lerner fed confidential True the Vote tax information to Mr. Cummings. He had denied this up to the point that recent email releases indicated otherwise. Looks like he's been running interference within the investigation to cover his own ass.

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiep...the-vote-to-democrat-elijah-cummings-n1822247

Yesterday, the House Ways and Means Committee voted to hold Lois Lerner in contempt. There are calls for her arrest.

House Republicans won't rule out arresting Lois Lerner if Justice Department doesn't

It's clear that Republicans are not backing down. This investigation will run it's course. In question now is whether Holder will do his job in regards to Lois Lerner. I'm sure he'll do whatever Obama wishes him to do.

You mean arrest her for exercising her constitutional rights?

BTW - The House does not have the authority to arrest people. You know that ole' separation of powers thingy
 

TerryMathews

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You mean arrest her for exercising her constitutional rights?

BTW - The House does not have the authority to arrest people. You know that ole' separation of powers thingy




No, but they have the power to compel the AG to bring the case to a grand jury. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contempt_of_Congress


I'm not sure if you're being willfully dishonest, or are merely too intellectually crippled to think for yourself, but the information provided does not support your claim that Lerner provided confidential information. If you read the emails, you will find that they explicitly ask only for publicly available information. You've been duped yet again.



Just to clarify, the FBI is conducting an investigation. The Republicans are putting on a show for the rubes. Get your peanuts.

Daily mail story makes the disclosure of private information more clear. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-Lerner-gather-information-conservatives.html

The question is what the truth is, and I don't claim to know. Lerner and Cummings have a problem though with the fact that Cummings didn't communicate with the IRS over True the Vote. Those emails prove that it is a lie.
 
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You mean arrest her for exercising her constitutional rights?

BTW - The House does not have the authority to arrest people. You know that ole' separation of powers thingy

You conveniently forgot to mention she also violated the Constitutional rights of many Americans.
 
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