Lois Lerner - deja vu

[Doc Savage Fan]

Why did she and her attorney agree to testify, and then change their minds? :hmm:

^This. Her lawyer said she'd testify....WTF happened?

 

[Oldgamer]

^This. Her lawyer said she'd testify....WTF happened?

They didn't.. that is what is funny about this whole charade. Darryl Issa said they would, knowing full well they didn't agree to such a thing.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Watch it again.


He got pissed only after he was denied his right to speak.

He was given the opportunity to ask his question several times....he's the one who chose not to ask it and continue his childish rant.

 

[emperus]

They didn't.. that is what is funny about this whole charade. Darryl Issa said they would, knowing full well they didn't agree to such a thing.

This is what is being reported.

Maintaining his client’s innocence, Taylor told reporters that Oversight Republicans lost their shot at hearing from Lerner and now won’t likely hear from her — ever.
Taylor and the committee on Saturday were in conversations about allowing Lerner to testify, without legal immunity, if the panel delayed the hearing by a week. But all bets were off when Issa told “Fox News Sunday” that he was trying to “build a case for why she is at the center of this targeting,” Taylor said.
“This matter has become polarized, and it is completely partisan, and there was no possibility, in my view, that Ms. Lerner would be given a fair opportunity to speak … or to tell the truth,” Taylor said.


Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2014/03/irs-hearing-lois-lerner-contempt-104293.html#ixzz2vBv9oWH9

 

[Oldgamer]

He was given the opportunity to ask his question several times....he's the one who chose not to ask it and continue his childish rant.

Issa has done this numerous times to Cummings and others who do not share his political views. He did this to a number of other congress members in previous hearings that he held. Cummings lost his cool after Issa spent all his time carrying on his talking points, and then abruptly shut the hearing down without letting anyone else have a chance to ask questions and or do what Isaa did, have some time to get their talking points in. This was a big political stunt on Issa's part because it is and election year. I don't blame Cummings one bit for getting upset. His yelling is because Issa keeps turning off the mic and not allowing him to speak.

 

[Oldgamer]

This is what is being reported.

yes, so he held the hearing knowing full well she wouldn't testify.. you just proved my point... thanks

 

[emperus]

He was given the opportunity to ask his question several times....he's the one who chose not to ask it and continue his childish rant.

Again, have you watched any Congressional Hearing? It seems that you haven't. People are given allotted time to speak, especially the ranking members. And who decides who's questions are childish or who has the right to speak? Seems like a dictatorship to me.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

They didn't.. that is what is funny about this whole charade. Darryl Issa said they would, knowing full well they didn't agree to such a thing.

So Issa was lying?

 

[Oldgamer]

So Issa was lying?

Yes, because Issa wanted to do a little "dog and pony" show.. and keep stirring the pot on this already defunct issue. Issa wasn't going to allow any other members a chance to talk, so he held this hearing, knowing well in advance Lerner would not testify, and then abruptly shut his own hearing down, keeping others from having a chance to speak.

 

[emperus]

yes, so he held the hearing knowing full well she wouldn't testify.. you just proved my point... thanks

I just thought it an opportunity to share some "reported facts" (not that I can say the reporting is accurate), for those who seem to not really rely on those facts.

I agree. But I don't think there is anything wrong with holding a hearing. It generally puts pressure on the person pleading the 5th. Everything else surrounding and including the hearing, I have issues with. If, the goal was to get facts, Issa should have shut up and moved the hearing and let her come in and testify like her lawyer said she would. You don't go on Fox, tell people she is going to be a target and then expect her to come in and not plead the 5th. Also, this isn't Russia, we don't have one sided hearings, or leak selected documents (while refusing to release the whole) that don't represent the whole. Everyone should be embarrassed at Issa and how this has been handled.

 

[Bowfinger]

What is the big deal with this story anyhow? It seems like the IRS was overzealous with their oversight responsibility on both the R and D's. I assume we would want the IRS paying attention to "groups" who get special tax status.

There also seems to be a 2ndary motivation to keep this "controversy" going. To make sure the IRS doesn't have the power to look into some of the shadier Rove and Koch groups. It's like somebody working the refs so the refs, so the refs are too scared to call a foul on their team.

It also seems like most of you guys parroting this information haven't done a lot of research on it or just have a screw lose.

We really do get the government we deserve.



http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/26/opinion/edsall-why-the-irs-scandal-wont-go-away.html?_r=0

Yep, old news, but Fox and its ilk keep telling them it's a scandal that leads to the White House, so they clench their fists on cue and roar in programmed rage. The fact that they already hate both Obama and the IRS only makes their knees jerk faster. The bad part is the RNC witch hunt is impeding honest efforts to investigate the issues and ensure they don't happen again. I also suspect you are correct, that the underlying motive behind this campaign may indeed be to keep the IRS chained so it cannot effectively fulfill its responsibility to investigate potential abuses of 501(c) organization.

 

[boomerang]

Rep. Cummings wasn't wound up in the slightest in an interview after the hearing shown on Fox last night. In fact, it was just the opposite.

http://video.foxnews.com/v/32990572...in-heated-words-at-irs-hearing/#sp=show-clips

 

[Bowfinger]

So Issa was lying?

Good God, yes! It's what he does. Constantly. Brazenly. Shamelessly. Remember several months ago, on Meet the Press, where Issa claimed that Ambassador Pickering "refused" to appear at Issa's Benghazi show, only to have a voice from offscreen retort that that was not true? Turns out Pickering was the next guest, waiting off to the side. Pickering then stated he asked to testify, but was refused. Issa then muttered something about procedures or protocols. Issa brazenly lied about Pickering while Pickering was only a few feet away, perhaps in an arrogant belief that nobody would dare call him on his dishonesty. That is Issa in a nutshell.

 

[Gunslinger08]

People focus on the wrong things and get too caught in left vs. right, when we should all just be looking for the truth.

While it does seem like the IRS scandal was much ado about nothing, I'm mostly interested in the motivations for Lerner to take the 5th. If the FBI found no evidence worthy of bringing charges, what exactly is she protecting?

For those referencing a special prosecutor and timing, keep in mind that the Attorney General is the one who has to appoint a special prosecutor. It doesn't make sense that it would be delayed to hurt the administration or Democrats at midterms. I seriously doubt that a SP is going to happen.

 

[boomerang]

GOP: Emails show IRS staff obsessed with Citizens United

According to the report, as early as September 2010, Lerner forwarded to her colleagues an EO Tax Journal blog advising the IRS to “keep track of new c4s” and “be more pro-active” about catching groups created solely for political activities. One quote in the story specifically calls out the “educational organizations woven by the fabulously rich Koch Brothers to foster their own financial interest by political means.”

She said she felt pressured to use the IRS to fix the problem, according to a transcript in the report: “The FEC can’t do anything about it. They want the IRS to fix the problem … Everybody is screaming at us right now: ‘Fix it now before the election. Can’t you see how much these people are spending?’ I won’t know until I look at their… [tax forms] next year whether they have done more than their primary activity as political or not. So I can’t do anything right now.”

The new Oversight report comes many months after the panel released emails quoting Lerner in a February 2011 email calling the “tea party matter very dangerous.” Those also included an email where Lerner commented on an ongoing FEC face-off with a conservative tax-exempt group engaging in politics writing, “perhaps the FEC will save the day.”

 

[emperus]

People focus on the wrong things and get too caught in left vs. right, when we should all just be looking for the truth.

While it does seem like the IRS scandal was much ado about nothing, I'm mostly interested in the motivations for Lerner to take the 5th. If the FBI found no evidence worthy of bringing charges, what exactly is she protecting?

For those referencing a special prosecutor and timing, keep in mind that the Attorney General is the one who has to appoint a special prosecutor. It doesn't make sense that it would be delayed to hurt the administration or Democrats at midterms. I seriously doubt that a SP is going to happen.

I would generally agree except I lived through the appointment of a special investigator to investigate whether Bill Clinton had sex with an intern and the subsequent Impeachment and so I can understand anyone's fear.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Good God, yes! It's what he does. Constantly. Brazenly. Shamelessly. Remember several months ago, on Meet the Press, where Issa claimed that Ambassador Pickering "refused" to appear at Issa's Benghazi show, only to have a voice from offscreen retort that that was not true? Turns out Pickering was the next guest, waiting off to the side. Pickering then stated he asked to testify, but was refused. Issa then muttered something about procedures or protocols. Issa brazenly lied about Pickering while Pickering was only a few feet away, perhaps in an arrogant belief that nobody would dare call him on his dishonesty. That is Issa in a nutshell.

It appears that Issa actually wasn't lying regarding the issue of her intent to testify. It appears that Lerner's lawyer changed the deal based on Issa's comments on Chris Wallace last Sunday. I'm not an Issa fan...but in this particular case it appears that he was telling the truth. I have no idea why Issa wouldn't delay the hearing one week to accommodate Lerner's request. This whole deal sounds weird and I suspect there is more to this than meets the eye.

http://www.politico.com/story/2014/03/irs-hearing-lois-lerner-contempt-104293.html#ixzz2vBv9oWH9

Taylor and the committee on Saturday were in conversations about allowing Lerner to testify, without legal immunity, if the panel delayed the hearing by a week. But all bets were off when Issa told “Fox News Sunday” that he was trying to “build a case for why she is at the center of this targeting,” Taylor said.

 

[emperus]

Rep. Cummings wasn't wound up in the slightest in an interview after the hearing shown on Fox last night. In fact, it was just the opposite.

http://video.foxnews.com/v/32990572...in-heated-words-at-irs-hearing/#sp=show-clips

Stop watching that propaganda.

 

[boomerang]

Stop watching that propaganda.

Stop watching people speak in their own words? Stop watching Rep. Cummings say what he has to say? What's wrong with you?

 

[emperus]

Stop watching people speak in their own words? Stop watching Rep. Cummings say what he has to say? What's wrong with you?

It was propaganda. Count how many times the host and Issa said "Tea Party Dangerous" in that segment. Lol.

Simple question; do you think it was fair or right that Issa asked about a dozen questions then shut down the hearing without even asking the other Ranking member if he had any questions or allowing him equal time to speak/ask questions?

 

[boomerang]

It appears that Issa actually wasn't lying regarding the issue of her intent to testify. It appears that Lerner's lawyer changed the deal based on Issa's comments on Chris Wallace last Sunday. I'm not an Issa fan...but in this particular case it appears that he was telling the truth. I have no idea why Issa wouldn't delay the hearing one week to accommodate Lerner's request. This whole deal sounds weird and I suspect there is more to this than meets the eye.

http://www.politico.com/story/2014/03/irs-hearing-lois-lerner-contempt-104293.html#ixzz2vBv9oWH9

And here, http://dailycaller.com/2014/03/05/lois-lerner-attorney-the-case-is-over-now/ her attorney says,

Taylor claimed that Lerner was fully willing to testify in one week but not at Wednesday’s Oversight hearing. The purpose of the proposed one-week delay was to give Lerner “a breather.”

So, she's waiting for her immunity to come through?

It's evident that there is far more that a "smidgen of corruption" here.

 

[emperus]

And here, http://dailycaller.com/2014/03/05/lois-lerner-attorney-the-case-is-over-now/ her attorney says, So, she's waiting for her immunity to come through?

It's evident that there is far more that a "smidgen of corruption" here.

http://www.politico.com/story/2014/0...#ixzz2vBv9oWH9

I posted that link earlier on. Read the whole thing. If someone tells you that you are going to be the center of an investigation. Would you continue to testify?

It's the same as going to the police station. You don't talk to the police/investigators esp. the ones who tell you they are out to get you.

 

[DominionSeraph]

Conservatards gonna 'tard.

 

[BUnit1701]

If by speech you mean Cummings saying "I have a question" then the turd cuts off his mike.

Holy shit, what recording were you listening to? I've heard it a couple times and I'm almost certain there was no 'question'. Just a lot of huffing and puffing about 'Republican' something or another.

 

[Jhhnn]

It appears that Issa actually wasn't lying regarding the issue of her intent to testify. It appears that Lerner's lawyer changed the deal based on Issa's comments on Chris Wallace last Sunday. I'm not an Issa fan...but in this particular case it appears that he was telling the truth. I have no idea why Issa wouldn't delay the hearing one week to accommodate Lerner's request. This whole deal sounds weird and I suspect there is more to this than meets the eye.

http://www.politico.com/story/2014/03/irs-hearing-lois-lerner-contempt-104293.html#ixzz2vBv9oWH9

So, uhh, you just confirmed that Issa was lying, right? He knew full well that Lerner would not testify before calling the Wednesday meeting. Lerner's attorney had told him so.

What part of that are you deliberately failing to comprehend, other than this being another Issa sponsored witch hunt?