Loki must pay $1,000,000 fine !!!

[EyeMWing]

Originally posted by: DaveSimmons

Originally posted by: lobadobadingdong
I don't mind that they fined them for this, but I can't stand the fact that it makes it so that we can't legaly make copies for the fair use act anymore. anyone with children can tell you it's cheaper to replace a $1 copy of a DVD/VHS movie than it is to replace the $20+ printed media.

This I completely agree with, and with Blu-Ray/HD-DVD they will be much more careful to protect the encryption than they were with DVD. So you probably won't even be able to "illegally" (but ethically) back them up like you can with DVD.

If it can be decrypted AT ALL - i.e. for playback, it can be copied.

sh!t, for a real copy, you don't even have to decrypt it.

 

[RaynorWolfcastle]

Originally posted by: Quasmo
like I said. When the MPAA starts fighting for the porn industry, is when they REALLY care about copyright laws.

AFAIK, the MPAA doesn't represent any of the people in the porn industry. The MPAA only cares about its copyrights, the porn industry has to fight its own battles.

 

[her209]

Originally posted by: RaynorWolfcastle
AFAIK, the MPAA doesn't represent any of the people in the porn industry. The MPAA only cares about its copyrights, the porn industry has to fight its own battles.

The pr0n industry is still profitable even with the rampant piracy.

 

[RaynorWolfcastle]

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: RaynorWolfcastle
AFAIK, the MPAA doesn't represent any of the people in the porn industry. The MPAA only cares about its copyrights, the porn industry has to fight its own battles.

The pr0n industry is still profitable even with the rampant piracy.

so is the movie industry, what's your point?

 

[ViRGE]

Originally posted by: RaynorWolfcastle

Originally posted by: brigden
Gestapo tactics? How would you propose they combat this illegal activity?

It makes me sick when people feel sorry for some fourteen-year-old caught downloading copywrited material, pulling together a fund for his plight, and denouncing the MIAA as "evil facists bastards."

If you aren't willing to accept the consequences for illegally downloading and distributing movies and music, don't download the material to begin with.

Yes Gestapo tactics,:
"We have your IP, and a large team of lawyers standing by. Pay us $5k or go to court to fight it where it will cost you more than $5k in lawyer fees anyways. We have no proof that you downloaded the entire movie, or that it was even you that downloaded it in the first place."
How about when subpoena ISPs for your identity with shaky evidence like "IP 192.34.54.21 downloaded part of what we believe may be a movie file". This kind of sloppy evidence would be laughed at in court in any case apart from copyright infringement.

Imagine if someone was killed in a house and the person who pays the utilities was automatically charged with the murder because they live there.

Like I said, they can and should enforce their copyrights, but the way they're going about it is absolutely ridiculous.

This is my point exactly, it's the threats and their desire to go after torrent sites(instead of the end-user) that's the problem. They can protect their copyrights, but I'm not going to "consume" another one of their products until they can do it in a way that I find acceptable.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Quasmo

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Quasmo
This is so stupid, I'm glad I'm in the movie industry, because I'm progressive, and I understand that people will steal my movies, so I'll eventually charter to that hopefully. I think it's stupid that the MPAA does what it does, why can't they come up with a "iMovies" so we can buy movies for like $4-5 a movie. I know I would instead of renting them. It's just SOOO stupid. Are they gonna sue everyone in America now?

Your "iMovies" idea already exists, and is called "Netflix". The issue with movie downloaders is that they aren't downloading instead of renting, they are downloading instead of going to the theater.
But yes, any content provider should accept some level of piracy, and I imagine that the MPAA will feel some level of backlash in the short term from its actions here. But when the dust settles, they will have more control over their content than ever.

I have Netflix, but I don't own those movies legally. I mean I might make a "back up" FOR Netflix once and a while, but I don't own those movies.

If you want to own the movies, then Amazon.com, where you can purchase DVDs with a click of your mouse and get 1-2 day deliver.

Your attitude that the MPAA should provide downloads for $4-5 per movie is ridiculous. At $0.99 per song, iTunes is still about $12 per CD and you don't even get original CD audio quality or the damn liner notes. You expect the movie industry to sell you a permanent copy of the movie for about the same price of a 5 day rental? Keep dreaming.

And regardless of how profitable the movie industry might be, you have no right to demand their work from them at your price. If you don't like their prices, don't buy. If enough people didn't buy, then they would lower their prices as they became less profitable. That you would seek an entitlement to their work only shows how much you enjoy what they create, and how you should be honest and fsckin pay for it.

 

[SuPrEIVIE]

i can tell they are unfair with these practices and i assume there will be a point in the near future where you wouldn't be able to do much with what you have anymore

but i don't really care...its just movies , entertainment... and im not weak to give it all up...its not a necessity...untill business practices and prices are more fair in the several entertainment industries then i may consider, maybe others can flow the same way...because after all the consumer is really the one with the edge

 

[Babbles]

Originally posted by: Amused
Every last fscking one of you people bitching about the MPAA would whine and kick like a schoolgirl if someone stole your work product from you.

:thumbsup:

 

[aplefka]

Anyone know how to contact Edward Webber? I've got an idea.

 

[SuPrEIVIE]

Originally posted by: Babbles

Originally posted by: Amused
Every last fscking one of you people bitching about the MPAA would whine and kick like a schoolgirl if someone stole your work product from you.

:thumbsup:

if my product were fairly priced then i don't think that would happen....

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: SuPrEIVIE

Originally posted by: Babbles

Originally posted by: Amused
Every last fscking one of you people bitching about the MPAA would whine and kick like a schoolgirl if someone stole your work product from you.

:thumbsup:

if my product were fairly priced then i don't think that would happen....

Their product IS fairly priced. Their sales numbers prove it.

 

[her209]

SIDE RANT: Preview commercials that are placed at the beginning of a DVD and that cannot skipped should be made illegal.

 

[czech09]

Blah another one gone...seems to me that lately the Law is cracking down on these illegal copies and ish alot harder.

 

[Quasmo]

I think they could sell more DVD's if they lowered the price, not dramatically like to $4-5 but to something more reasonable to like $10. I was merely making a point.

 

[stnicralisk]

Im not sure if i got any episodes of Lost from there. They can sue me though I dont own anything or make any money. I will file bankruptcy.

 

[SuperTool]

After the Janet Jackson nipple showing incident, why is Hollywood lecturing us about morality?

 

[jpeyton]

Use an offshore BT website, or take advantage of free 30-day Blockbuster Online and Netflix trials + cheap DVDR media + DVDShrink.

 

[Babbles]

Originally posted by: SuPrEIVIE

Originally posted by: Babbles

Originally posted by: Amused
Every last fscking one of you people bitching about the MPAA would whine and kick like a schoolgirl if someone stole your work product from you.

:thumbsup:

if my product were fairly priced then i don't think that would happen....

$15 bucks a month for unlimited DVD rentals is more than reasonable. Then you can rip and burn copies for you own viewing pleasure. Usually Best Buy sells a brand new release DVD on sale for ~$15-$19 and that sounds good to me. Average cost of a movie ticket is what, ~$8 bucks or so? You can't fork over $8 to see a movie that may have cost $100 million to make, see it on a big screen with THX surround sound?

You are cheap, a thief, and an idiot. Great personality set to have. :roll:

 

[SportSC4]

"...from what I can tell, the penalties laid out for downloading one season of a TV show with BitTorrent are much harsher than if you actually stole a DVD set of the same show from a government store...For stealing the DVD you could face no more than up to 1 year imprisonment and up to a $100,000 fine; for downloading the same material you could face statutory damages of up to $3,300,000, costs and attorney's fees"
http://offtheshelf.nowis.com/index.cfm?ID=5

from a slashdot story

 

[pulse8]

Originally posted by: SuperTool
After the Janet Jackson nipple showing incident, why is Hollywood lecturing us about morality?

Are you going to post anything of worth or are you just going to continue to troll in this thread?

 

[SuperTool]

Originally posted by: pulse8

Originally posted by: SuperTool
After the Janet Jackson nipple showing incident, why is Hollywood lecturing us about morality?

Are you going to post anything of worth or are you just going to continue to troll in this thread?

:roll:
What have you posted in this thread that is worthwhile?

 

[pulse8]

Originally posted by: SuperTool

Originally posted by: pulse8

Originally posted by: SuperTool
After the Janet Jackson nipple showing incident, why is Hollywood lecturing us about morality?

Are you going to post anything of worth or are you just going to continue to troll in this thread?

:roll:
What have you posted in this thread that is worthwhile?

Nothing, but I didn't troll in it either. If I don't have anything worthwhile to add, I know how to keep my trap shut.

 

[Babbles]

Originally posted by: SuperTool
After the Janet Jackson nipple showing incident, why is Hollywood lecturing us about morality?

It's not a morality thing, it is a theft of intellectual property thing.

 

[Malak]

Originally posted by: pulse8

Originally posted by: SuperTool
After the Janet Jackson nipple showing incident, why is Hollywood lecturing us about morality?

Are you going to post anything of worth or are you just going to continue to troll in this thread?

His name is SuperTool, what can you expect?

 

[Taejin]

I don't understand what the big deal with LokiTorrent getting shut down is..

There are plenty of other BT sites overseas that are out of the reach of the MPAA, and actions like this by the MPAA only serve to fuel their growth.

*shrug* It's always been like this, from Napster to Kazaa, from "cheap" mp3 services to allofmp3.com. They're all fucked, and howevermuch the American organizations froth at the mouth, they won't be able to get to them all.