Loki must pay $1,000,000 fine !!!

[OREOSpeedwagon]

Originally posted by: Taejin

There are plenty of other BT sites overseas that are out of the reach of the MPAA, and actions like this by the MPAA only serve to fuel their growth.

:thumbsup: i like the bay of pirates

 

[her209]

Originally posted by: Taejin
*shrug* It's always been like this, from Napster to Kazaa, from "cheap" mp3 services to allofmp3.com. They're all fucked, and howevermuch the American organizations froth at the mouth, they won't be able to get to them all.

Maybe they'll start suing ISPs for providing access to users to those type of sites. I dunno.

 

[imthebadguy]

loki was a good site.....RIP

 

[BeauJangles]

As much as the current movie/music downloader likes to consider himself (or herself) a modern-day Robin Hood to justify the blatant stealing of material, let's be honest. When you download music or a movie, you are stealing. It's pretty simple. Sure, we can say things like "it's unfair how much they charge for movies" blah blah blah and that might be true, but that doesn't mean our theft is justified. If I go to a hotdog stand and the guy charges me $4 for the dog and I don't think that's fair, should I just grab as many hotdogs as I can and run? Clearly, no.

So get off your moral high horse and recognize that you are committing a crime and no amount of dressing or rhetoric is going to change that fact.

 

[ProviaFan]

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: Taejin
*shrug* It's always been like this, from Napster to Kazaa, from "cheap" mp3 services to allofmp3.com. They're all fucked, and howevermuch the American organizations froth at the mouth, they won't be able to get to them all.

Maybe they'll start suing ISPs for providing access to users to those type of sites. I dunno.

Yeah, I wonder how long it will take until the RIAA / MPAA start demanding a "national firewall" sort of like China uses, except it will be controlled by themselves rather than (or in addition to) the government. That, combined with "cop chips" mandated in all "digital devices" would keep illegal content (and content that the government just doesn't happen to like) from spreading much at all. I'm really looking forward to the future in the United States of Entertainment. :roll:

 

[digitalsm]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
250k per movie is less than reasonable heh

Uh, maybe for downloading. But its certainly reasonable for those illegal distributing.

 

[Lorn]

I think illegal downloading will eventually be taught in Health class just like STDs and pre-marital sex.

 

[digitalsm]

Originally posted by: Taejin
I don't understand what the big deal with LokiTorrent getting shut down is..

There are plenty of other BT sites overseas that are out of the reach of the MPAA, and actions like this by the MPAA only serve to fuel their growth.

*shrug* It's always been like this, from Napster to Kazaa, from "cheap" mp3 services to allofmp3.com. They're all fucked, and howevermuch the American organizations froth at the mouth, they won't be able to get to them all.

You are fully aware, there is such thing as international law right?

 

[homestarmy]

Originally posted by: SuperTool
I guess if you are going to run a BT tracker, do it in Russia

In Russia, BT tracker runs YOU!

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: SuPrEIVIE

Originally posted by: Babbles

Originally posted by: Amused
Every last fscking one of you people bitching about the MPAA would whine and kick like a schoolgirl if someone stole your work product from you.

:thumbsup:

if my product were fairly priced then i don't think that would happen....

I love that justification. If you don't feel it's fairly priced, why don't you just not buy it? Don't feel like you're entitled to it for free just because you think it's too expensive. Or here's an idea, rent it. For half the cost of a DVD, I can rent as many movies as I want for a month at Hollywood Video. For about the cost of a DVD, I can rent close to 20 movies a month from Netflix.

 

[imported_KirbsAw]

Says they are looking at the IPs of people who dled tv shows I dont dl any illegal movies from bt(just anime stuff) but i do get tv shows that i miss because i'm not home a lot of nights. Well this sucks

 

[BD2003]

Lets be honest. Far, far more than a million dollars of movies, music and software was downloaded from lokitorrent. Prob cracks that amount in a single day. Whether or not you agree with it at all, he got off relatively easy.

 

[RaynorWolfcastle]

Originally posted by: digitalsm

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
250k per movie is less than reasonable heh

Uh, maybe for downloading. But its certainly reasonable for those illegal distributing.

The downloader is the distributer in P2P. You're saying that if there are 50 people trading a movie, they should each be fined $250k (total fines of $12.5M)? There were at most 50 illegal copies made , which at an MSRP of $30 means that they lost, at worst $1500.

So basically you're saying that it's reasonable to inflict $12,498,500 of punitive damages over $1,500 of lost revenue? Your definition of reasonable is different than mine.

As a side note, the tracker sites shouldn't be held responsible for what its users do any more than a gun company is responsible when someone commits a crime with one of their weapons.

 

[silverpig]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: SuPrEIVIE

Originally posted by: Babbles

Originally posted by: Amused
Every last fscking one of you people bitching about the MPAA would whine and kick like a schoolgirl if someone stole your work product from you.

:thumbsup:

if my product were fairly priced then i don't think that would happen....

Their product IS fairly priced. Their sales numbers prove it.

Movie prices have tripled in 10 years (at least here).

 

[silverpig]

Originally posted by: her209
SIDE RANT: Preview commercials that are placed at the beginning of a DVD and that cannot skipped should be made illegal.

Normally I would rent movies instead of going to the theatre to see a lot of "meh" movies, but now I don't even rent them because of this.

I used to gladly go to the theatre and pay $5 for a movie, or $2.50 to rent one. Now it's $15 to go see a movie after sitting through 25 minutes of commercials and $7 to rent a DVD with unskippable commercials at the beginning.

 

[imported_KirbsAw]

Originally posted by: silverpig

Originally posted by: her209
SIDE RANT: Preview commercials that are placed at the beginning of a DVD and that cannot skipped should be made illegal.

Normally I would rent movies instead of going to the theatre to see a lot of "meh" movies, but now I don't even rent them because of this.

I used to gladly go to the theatre and pay $5 for a movie, or $2.50 to rent one. Now it's $15 to go see a movie after sitting through 25 minutes of commercials and $7 to rent a DVD with unskippable commercials at the beginning.

If you burn the movie you can skip the commercials on the copy

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: silverpig

Originally posted by: her209
SIDE RANT: Preview commercials that are placed at the beginning of a DVD and that cannot skipped should be made illegal.

Normally I would rent movies instead of going to the theatre to see a lot of "meh" movies, but now I don't even rent them because of this.

I used to gladly go to the theatre and pay $5 for a movie, or $2.50 to rent one. Now it's $15 to go see a movie after sitting through 25 minutes of commercials and $7 to rent a DVD with unskippable commercials at the beginning.

$15? Where?

 

[Babbles]

Originally posted by: silverpig

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: SuPrEIVIE

Originally posted by: Babbles

Originally posted by: Amused
Every last fscking one of you people bitching about the MPAA would whine and kick like a schoolgirl if someone stole your work product from you.

:thumbsup:

if my product were fairly priced then i don't think that would happen....

Their product IS fairly priced. Their sales numbers prove it.

Movie prices have tripled in 10 years (at least here).

Hi, can you say inflation?
What, do you expect prices to remain the same over the course of ten years?

It is amazing what people will say to justify their actions.

 

[her209]

Originally posted by: Babbles
Hi, can you say inflation?
What, do you expect prices to remain the same over the course of ten years?

It is amazing what people will say to justify their actions.

Inflation rate is 12%? :Q

 

[LASTGUY2GETPS2]

Just out of curiosity Isn't there a statute of limitation for this sort of stuff? (I probably have know idea what i'm talking about)

And frankly, the MPAA tried a nonagressive means of stopping file sharing (Ad campaign) and it didn't work...but going after their customers? Its too agressive...

 

[Babbles]

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: Babbles
Hi, can you say inflation?
What, do you expect prices to remain the same over the course of ten years?

It is amazing what people will say to justify their actions.

Inflation rate is 12%? :Q

That assumes that movie tickets did triple in price on average and not some outlier statistical number and that it did happen over a course of ten years. I think in my area (DFW) average movie ticket ten years ago was ~$4.25. I think it is now something like ~$7.75. I have not experience any triple in cost, but it can be localized.

I don't know what the average inflation rate for the past ten years, but guess what? Some things are going to inflate in price more than others. When you have factors like people stealing their property, the prices are probably going to inflate moreso than products that do not experience major scale theft.

Basically I think people are just making stuff up to try to justify their actions, which is pretty sad really. Needing to make things up and lie to justify stealing is just .. . wow that is lame.

Oh, hahaha, seriously how stupid can you be to try to actually calculate some inflation rate based on what some poster casually mentioned about movie tickets?

 

[rh71]

MPAA controls tv-show rights also ?

 

[AFB]

Originally posted by: BlinderBomber
As much as the current movie/music downloader likes to consider himself (or herself) a modern-day Robin Hood to justify the blatant stealing of material, let's be honest. When you download music or a movie, you are stealing. It's pretty simple. Sure, we can say things like "it's unfair how much they charge for movies" blah blah blah and that might be true, but that doesn't mean our theft is justified. If I go to a hotdog stand and the guy charges me $4 for the dog and I don't think that's fair, should I just grab as many hotdogs as I can and run? Clearly, no.

So get off your moral high horse and recognize that you are committing a crime and no amount of dressing or rhetoric is going to change that fact.

Again, this isn't exactly a fair comparision; don't over simplify. You are depriving the hot dog guy of his hot dogs. He can no longer sell those hot dogs to another person. A more accurate comparision would be taking the DVDs because you thought they were too expensive.

IP isn't a physical thing. You can't deprive the owner of their ability to resell it in the traditional sense. You can only deprive them by flooding the market with free versions of it. They could still sell it, you've "stolen" nothing. This is even more true if you never would have bought it in the first place.

 

[DaveSimmons]

Originally posted by: amdfanboy
IP isn't a physical thing. You can't deprive the owner of their ability to resell it in the traditional sense. You can only deprive them by flooding the market with free versions of it. They could still sell it, you've "stolen" nothing. This is even more true if you never would have bought it in the first place.

Except you've denied them the chance to sell it to everyone with whom you've p2p-shared the free copy, both directly and indirectly.

Given that Netflix and Blockbuster exist there is no ethical justification for downloading movies.

 

[imported_Mike]

Originally posted by: rh71
MPAA controls tv-show rights also ?

That is what I was wondering...how is it illegal to D/L TV shows when almost every home in America that has a TV has VCR.