Loki must pay $1,000,000 fine !!!

[SuperTool]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: SuperTool
How can a librarian lend out a DVD to complete strangers. Bad, bad man

Because the library isn't copying it. It's like talking to a brick wall...

I guess we are just going to have to agree to disagree.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: SuperTool

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: SuperTool
How can a librarian lend out a DVD to complete strangers. Bad, bad man

Because the library isn't copying it. It's like talking to a brick wall...

I guess we are just going to have to agree to disagree.

I agree that you know absolutely nothing about copyrights and have ignored my attempts to provide you with links to reliable information to educate yourself with. You can agree to whatever you want to.

 

[her209]

Originally posted by: mugs
Where did you get the idea that this thread has anything to do with sharing the physical media with your friends? I assumed when you said sharing you meant via P2P networks. Apparantly I was wrong, but in my defense, your post makes absolutely no sense the way you intended it in this context.

I think he was trying to frame it into a bigger context where if someone just borrowed books (for free), the publishers lose out on the profit had the book been purchased.

 

[Tom]

Originally posted by: SuperTool

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: SuperTool
Is it the movie industry's business if I let a friend borrow my DVD too? Hell, that's depriving them of the revenue they fell they are "entitled" to. If I let him borrow my DVD, he is not going to buy one from them. Let's ban all sharing, and burn down all libraries. God forbid they share someone's intellectual property. :roll:

no. once you purchase a dvd the movie industry has no say how you use that dvd. you can sell it, let people borrow it, etc. but that is different than ripping a copy and sending everyone you know (and a whole bunch of people you don't) a copy, while keeping the original yourself.

I don't see how it's different. The media is not their intellectual property, the content is. Both ways I am sharing the content.

If you buy an item, and then lend it to someone, then while they have it, you don't. And if you wanted to lend it to fifteen friends, you would have to buy fifteen in order to share them all at the same time.

It isn't the same thing at all as making it available to the whole world for everybody to have their own copy, all at the same time, after buying just one.

The same thing applies to libraries. Libraries have limited numbers of items, which they buy, and then only one patron at a time can use them. And there are specific copyright laws for library use, libraries don't distribute stolen works, at least not in the USA.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: mugs
Where did you get the idea that this thread has anything to do with sharing the physical media with your friends? I assumed when you said sharing you meant via P2P networks. Apparantly I was wrong, but in my defense, your post makes absolutely no sense the way you intended it in this context.

I think he was trying to frame it into a bigger context where if someone just borrowed books (for free), the publishers lose out on the profit had the book been purchased.

But no one is saying you can't lend out your books or your CDs or your DVDs or anything else. You just can't make copies and lend them out/give them away.

 

[Stark]

Originally posted by: SportSC4
"...from what I can tell, the penalties laid out for downloading one season of a TV show with BitTorrent are much harsher than if you actually stole a DVD set of the same show from a government store...For stealing the DVD you could face no more than up to 1 year imprisonment and up to a $100,000 fine; for downloading the same material you could face statutory damages of up to $3,300,000, costs and attorney's fees"
http://offtheshelf.nowis.com/index.cfm?ID=5

from a slashdot story

good link!

while i agree that downloading movies and software is wrong and should be shut down (and the guy running loki has no excuse for posting seeds of that stuff), tv shows should fall under "time shifting" (which is why we can own DVRs and VCRs, which were both hated by the "entertainment industry" initially).

if tv networks start prosecuting people who download their shows, the backlash is going to be severe. i may stop using bt until this shakes out a little bit, but odds are i won't give a crap about shows like desperate housewives, alias, or lost from here on out (since i started watching them after dl'ing the shows from bt)

 

[krcat1]

To quote the US Constitution, Art. I, Sec 8:
Clause 8: To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;

The problem is not copying; copying is clearly wrong. But it is wrong only because the laws say that it is illegal. The problem that many in the recording and movie industry wish to change "Progress" and "useful" into maximize profitabilty at any cost. By pushing the bounds of "fair use", they have created a moral ambiguity that does not make copying legal, but certainly makes the situation confusing and more tempting.

 

[ribbon13]

Originally posted by: digitalsm
You are fully aware, there is such thing as international law right?

Are you aware that international law doesn't always work like that?

Can a country were websites are illegal sue you for even having one? And not all countries signed the Berne Convention.

 

[CyraKrin]

God Bless Canada.

 

[TitanDiddly]

Where is the MPAA headquarters? We need a nerd riot.

Edit:

15503 Ventura Blvd.
Encino, California 91436
(818) 995-6600

 

[TallBill]

We just need torrent sites that dont keep logs.

 

[Stumps]

damn, lucky i'm in australia...haha MPAA you can't touch me

 

[sxr7171]

Originally posted by: tangent1138

Originally posted by: Amused
Every last fscking one of you people bitching about the MPAA would whine a kick like a schoolgirl if someone stole your work product from you.

Yup. I've had a movie I've worked on pirated on the net. You can't quite understand the feeling until you've had it happen to you, that this thing you've worked and slaved over is being stolen. A lot of people claim the MPAA is driven by greed. But what is a pirate driven by when he's too cheap to pay $3 to rent a movie? I agree that there should be the equivalent of iTunes for movies, hopefully the industry will realize this sooner rather than later...

I agree, enough is enough. I mean people argue that they copy music because $15 is too much for a CD and I sympathize. They argue that if CDs were $8 they wouldn't do it anymore. With movies the industry has actually revolutionized itself with $3 rentals, pretty much all you can watch DVDs for $20 a month and $10 DVDs. How much further do they need to go? If you really can't afford it, is it so hard to wait for the dollar theater to get it? They've even gone so far as to do DVD releases in little as 3 months after the theater release. You don't even have to deal the dilemma of $10 (x number of people) now or $3 rental next year anymore. This is an industry that has done pretty much everything in its power to make movies more accessible to legal consumers. I don't have any interest in the movie industry at all, I'm just saying this as a regular guy.

As for the RIAA: fvck them! They purposely introduce errors in my music to prevent piracy and take away my fair-use rights. They make it hard for the honest consumer to buy CDs anymore. I used to buy my fair share of CDs but I stopped doing so when I couldn't be sure if the CD I was buying had copy-protection or not.

 

[NeoPTLD]

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[0roo0roo]

look, you risk the lives of others by speeding = 100-400~dollar fine
you download a movie = 250,000 dollars?

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: Stark

Originally posted by: SportSC4
"...from what I can tell, the penalties laid out for downloading one season of a TV show with BitTorrent are much harsher than if you actually stole a DVD set of the same show from a government store...For stealing the DVD you could face no more than up to 1 year imprisonment and up to a $100,000 fine; for downloading the same material you could face statutory damages of up to $3,300,000, costs and attorney's fees"
http://offtheshelf.nowis.com/index.cfm?ID=5

from a slashdot story

good link!

while i agree that downloading movies and software is wrong and should be shut down (and the guy running loki has no excuse for posting seeds of that stuff), tv shows should fall under "time shifting" (which is why we can own DVRs and VCRs, which were both hated by the "entertainment industry" initially).

if tv networks start prosecuting people who download their shows, the backlash is going to be severe. i may stop using bt until this shakes out a little bit, but odds are i won't give a crap about shows like desperate housewives, alias, or lost from here on out (since i started watching them after dl'ing the shows from bt)

At least initially, the focus was on TV shows that were on premium channels. Broadcast TV - I don't have a problem with that, but the people who paid millions of dollars to create the content do, and it's their right to control distribution of it.

 

[AnitaPeterson]

Originally posted by: DaveSimmons
I have no sympathy. If you can afford a PC, DSL/cable, DVD burner and blanks then you can easily afford a Blockbuster or Netflix subscription.

Bullsh!t.

I do so much more with the said equipment than download/burn movies. Yet, I can't afford the subscription to Blockbuster or Netflix. Besides which, said services don't have many movies I'm interested in.

 

[mrSHEiK124]

Originally posted by: her209
SIDE RANT: Preview commercials that are placed at the beginning of a DVD and that cannot skipped should be made illegal.

Hell-fvcking-yeah!
I miss the days of VHS, where you could just fast forward through the bullsh!t ads. For fvcks sake, unavoidable ads are everywhere now, Need for Speed Undeground 2 had the little Cingular guy all over the place!

 

[Edge17]

found this article, interesting read. not sure about the reliability of the source, but still interesting. if you read it, read the comment too from the link at the bottom of the article

http://www.slyck.com/news.php?story=665

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: silverpig

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: silverpig

Originally posted by: her209
SIDE RANT: Preview commercials that are placed at the beginning of a DVD and that cannot skipped should be made illegal.

Normally I would rent movies instead of going to the theatre to see a lot of "meh" movies, but now I don't even rent them because of this.

I used to gladly go to the theatre and pay $5 for a movie, or $2.50 to rent one. Now it's $15 to go see a movie after sitting through 25 minutes of commercials and $7 to rent a DVD with unskippable commercials at the beginning.

$15? Where?

I paid $14.50 here for a movie last year I think. A LOT of people were bitching so they've lowered the prices down and people are starting to go again I think... I wouldn't know as I haven't been to one in a while.

Ah, Canadian Dollars. Even the top two US markets (LA/NY) have barely passed $10 USD.
That is still kind of high even with the conversion. Wierd.

 

[aplefka]

Originally posted by: Edge17
found this article, interesting read. not sure about the reliability of the source, but still interesting. if you read it, read the comment too from the link at the bottom of the article

http://www.slyck.com/news.php?story=665

Read it last night... I think it's pretty reliable.

 

[Merlyn3D]

Anyone know if torrentspy is russia based?

 

[Robor]

Oh the lovely MPAA. A few years ago I got an Email from my ISP about breaking my TOS. Someone requested an a Family Guy episode in a Usenet group and I uploaded it. At the time Family Guy was cancelled by Fox, not in syndication, and not available on DVD. Fans of the show couldn't see it unless they downloaded the episodes. Shortly after that my ISP sent me the Email saying the MPAA had contacted them. All I got was a warning but I still think it's pretty much BS that the MPAA had to step in on a show that wasn't even available to view (legally). Yeah, I know they hold the rights but it's still stupid. I do own both sets of Family Guy DVD's now BTW.

FWIW I rarely go to the movies anymore. IIRC the last movie I saw in the theater was LOTR:ROTK (Dec '03?). Why? The ticket prices are too high, the commercials before the movie piss me off, the parking always sucks, immature jerks in the crowd spoil the movie, and the food/drink prices are a joke. I decided early last year to invest in a decent home theater setup rather than throw my money into the pocket of the movie industry. I legally own about 300 DVD titles but now I rent or better yet borrow the movies I watch. IMO my seat in front of my 50" Sony LCD with nice Yamaha receiver and Klipsch/JBL surround speakers is better than the one at the theater.

 

[tlhudson69]

Originally posted by: her209
SIDE RANT: Preview commercials that are placed at the beginning of a DVD and that cannot skipped should be made illegal.

Try this with a sick 2yr old (S2-ya know what i mesn) that add is 2min long even in FFW Do you know how long that is when you are only 2yrs old ans pissed off!! AAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!! S----- and Donky NOWWWWW!!!!!!

 

[quakefiend420]

Originally posted by: SuperTool
I guess if you are going to run a BT tracker, do it in Russia

because in mother russia...bt tracks you!

or something like that