LoL at Alienware

[doublejbass]

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[Zebo]

Originally posted by: slash196
Nobody in their right mind could argue that the Dell XPS isn't a ripoff of the highest order. Not even a "Lifer" with 14,447 posts.

For me and you, ya, for my cousin who barley knows how to turn comp on? Excellent deal.

 

[imported_Salvatore]

Originally posted by: doublejbass
Alienware is the enthusiast version of Monster Cable.

Love that propoganda. My "generic gray box" costs 1/5 what they charge and can run circles around what they sell. Anybody who honestly thinks that building is not cheaper is a fool. If you pay non-researched, full retail for everything, even at newegg, sure, you'll get up there, like with that 22" CRT (GAG!). But there are also people who sink $500+ into a video card. That doesn't mean it's a foolish investment to buy a video card.

The only thing that can compete with building your own system are ultra-cheap high performance Dells gotten through exploiting the massed-out infrastructure, like the P4 3.2 w/ 1 GB 533mhz DDR2, 160GB SATA, PCIE 256MB 6800, 16x DVD+-DL, 17" 16ms LCD, 17" LCD TV and the 4 year premium warranty, among other stuff, for <$800. THAT'S cheaper than building. (Sometimes. )

Anybody who sinks their cash into Alienware deserves exactly what they get. Just make sure you pay $100+ for a Monster DVI cable. Wouldn't want to hook your PC up with anything without the specially aligned electrons.

Shens on that $800 dollar machine.

 

[ssvegeta1010]

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: slash196
Nobody in their right mind could argue that the Dell XPS isn't a ripoff of the highest order. Not even a "Lifer" with 14,447 posts.

For me and you, ya, for my cousin who barley knows how to turn comp on? Excellent deal.

Also, the argument is for Dell's budget and severly marked down systems, which the XPS is not.

 

[Malak]

Originally posted by: doublejbass

First of all, way cheaper? Uh, no. And that was $1800 WITH the X850 PE and monitor? (seriously doubtful after a quick look at AW's webpage.) Oh, and high-end = marked-up.

Yes, thats with the x850 PE. I didn't get a monitor, I already have one. I got a KVM switch. You can doubt all you want, I don't care. I got my entire system for $1800, and if you try to price it at any other place you'll find I saved a ton of money.

Was he building a 386?

It was, in theory, a nice dual AMD system with a couple harddrives in RAID. In practice, my Dell performed much better. I was never impressed by his computer, I thought he wasted his time and money.

Nothing wrong with buying, but my mind is peaceful cheaper.

Knowing my computer is better made than yours and probably faster, and will last me a long time, keeps my mind peaceful.

 

[thegimp03]

rofl.

 

[imported_Computer MAn]

Originally posted by: malak

Originally posted by: doublejbass

Nothing wrong with buying, but my mind is peaceful cheaper.

Knowing my computer is better made than yours and probably faster, and will last me a long time, keeps my mind peaceful.

Mine might not be faster but it's close and I got it for about half the price you did.

 

[Dug]

Nothing wrong with buying a prebuilt system.

You can research and build your own car, but how many of you do that.
It's really easy to do, just buy the parts locally and put it together.
You could save thousands.

Build your own house, just takes a little research, get the best parts and start building.
You can save tens of thousands in diy.

But for some, they don't really give a sh!t about saving 500 and waste 100's of hours of research to get some extra fps. They just want to use a computer.

 

[ssvegeta1010]

Really it is all just personal preference.
Neither side is "right".

If you like building, then do it.

If you like to buy one from a retailer, then do it.

For instance, I have bought a retail computer (laptop), but in doing so, I noticed that building a desktop would be fun.
The research is not a disadvantage for me, neither is tech support. I enjoy finding out things about computers, and that is why I am going to build my next system. Not for money or performance, just for the experience.

 

[Malak]

Originally posted by: Dug
Nothing wrong with buying a prebuilt system.

You can research and build your own car, but how many of you do that.
It's really easy to do, just buy the parts locally and put it together.
You could save thousands.

Build your own house, just takes a little research, get the best parts and start building.
You can save tens of thousands in diy.

But for some, they don't really give a sh!t about saving 500 and waste 100's of hours of research to get some extra fps. They just want to use a computer.

Exactly. :thumbsup:

 

[EvilRage]

Here are my highlights from the Alienware webpage.

"The quality of the workmanship on a self-built system is only as good as your level of expertise. Learning the proper procedures for installation requires instructional study"

Instructional study? The first computer I ever put together (this one) was so unbelievably easy! I had a friend help me out but we were building comps at the same time, and he basically just kinda looked over every now and then to make sure I was alright. Of course, everything was relatively simple. Hell, my computer booted perfectly and worked without any problems once it was finished. The only "instructional study" I had to do was read the "Build Your Own PC" issue of MaximumPC, and even then, I already knew most of that stuff.

"No matter how much effort you put into perfecting the interior configurations of your self-built system, you could very well end up with a generic and bland off-the-shelf case that poorly reflects all your hard work."

Yes, I am OH-SO-CONCERNED about people looking at my PC and saying "My god, a generic grey box! It looks so... dull!" Of course, I get to pick exactly what kind of box all my stuff will go in, and it doesn't have to be ugly OR a cheap plastic alien head. Yay!

"When trying to build a system on your own, you could easily end up with a jumbled mess of internal wires that leads to poor thermal performance and system malfunctions, causing you to waste vital time and money making the necessary repairs to your system."

Once again, Alienware calls DIY-ers idiots in so many words. I could easily end up with a jumbled mess of wires? Um, not if I don't want to. Zip-ties and tape are your friend. =D

 

[Malak]

Alienware is not calling DIY-ers idiots. They are saying exactly what I say. I don't want to screw it up because I've never done it before, so I pay them to do it. Not everyone is successful in DIY projects. And you probably didn't make alienware-quality rigs your first time around either.

 

[rpmcrash]

Originally posted by: malak
Alienware is not calling DIY-ers idiots. They are saying exactly what I say. I don't want to screw it up because I've never done it before, so I pay them to do it. Not everyone is successful in DIY projects. And you probably didn't make alienware-quality rigs your first time around either.

Then your missing out on a verry good hobbie . i built my first one 20 years ago ,
and it still works. try building a socket 370 to get your feet wet and if you fry it no big deal.

you learned something called what not to do. my point is start off small and work your way up
then you will enjoy it more because you built it . hell 20 years ago after i built my first one.
i said to my wife . now that i got it working what am i suppose to do with it . things have changed.

 

[Malak]

Originally posted by: rpmcrash

Originally posted by: malak
Alienware is not calling DIY-ers idiots. They are saying exactly what I say. I don't want to screw it up because I've never done it before, so I pay them to do it. Not everyone is successful in DIY projects. And you probably didn't make alienware-quality rigs your first time around either.

Then your missing out on a verry good hobbie . i built my first one 20 years ago ,
and it still works. try building a socket 370 to get your feet wet and if you fry it no big deal.

you learned something called what not to do. my point is start off small and work your way up
then you will enjoy it more because you built it . hell 20 years ago after i built my first one.
i said to my wife . now that i got it working what am i suppose to do with it . things have changed.

You need to re-read my posts then. I don't have money to just toss around on a computer hobby. I have money to toss around in much better hobbies that are far more rewarding. I just want to play some video games!

Do you buy a PS2 or go build your own console? It's the same deal.

 

[jvarszegi]

Originally posted by: Salvatore
Shens on that $800 dollar machine.

Good God! ENGLISH, people!

 

[jvarszegi]

Originally posted by: Dug
Nothing wrong with buying a prebuilt system.

You can research and build your own car, but how many of you do that.
It's really easy to do, just buy the parts locally and put it together.
You could save thousands.

Build your own house, just takes a little research, get the best parts and start building.
You can save tens of thousands in diy.

But for some, they don't really give a sh!t about saving 500 and waste 100's of hours of research to get some extra fps. They just want to use a computer.

You've chosen stupid comparisons. Putting a car together is no more complicated than slapping together modular PC components, eh? I challenge you to home-build a car on your kitchen table.

 

[jvarszegi]

Originally posted by: malak
Do you buy a PS2 or go build your own console? It's the same deal.

Another idiotic comparison. You might as well say that it's reasonable for someone to make their own pocket calculator. Neither is supported by an entire industry making standard, modularized parts designed to be put together by anyone of average ability.

 

[Malak]

Originally posted by: jvarszegi

Originally posted by: malak
Do you buy a PS2 or go build your own console? It's the same deal.

Another idiotic comparison. You might as well say that it's reasonable for someone to make their own pocket calculator. Neither is supported by an entire industry making standard, modularized parts designed to be put together by anyone of average ability.

Well... people have been known to make their own calculators... It's not that hard to do. In fact, it's a lot easier than building a computer these days.

There are a thousand things that could go wrong when building a PC. A thousand things that could have gone better if you knew what you were doing. Just read these forums and you'll see, people who built their own systems are always having problems. The only complaints I've seen from Dell owners is the lack of maybe an AGP slot or a crappy PCI-e slot. But that's their own fault for not paying attention to what they bought.

DIY is not the solution at all for everyone. I won't build my own system because I don't have the expertise to do it, neither do most people. I spend the extra money to have someone else do it because not only will they build a stable system that will last for years, on average it will perform better than a home-built system too. You have to put a lot of love into a system to make it run just as efficient as say an Alienware, because they go the extra mile to make sure it not only runs, it runs better. That is worth my money. I don't have time and money to toss around to figure out how to do it myself. You can't say it's better for me to build it myself when it clearly is not.

 

[JimRaynor]

most people buy alienware just because they think it looks cool.

if they put em in just a plain case they would lose a LOT of business.

 

[imported_Computer MAn]

Originally posted by: JimRaynor
most people buy alienware just because they think it looks cool.

if they put em in just a plain case they would lose a LOT of business.

All the people I know that want one don't care if its stable they just like the looks.

 

[jvarszegi]

Originally posted by: malak
You can't say it's better for me to build it myself when it clearly is not.

I can say whatever I want, and I disagree that it's clearly better for you to buy a machine than to build one; wasting money is never smart. All I actually said, though, was that your comparison was stupid.

You're wrong about several things, but especially about Dell's track record. Go to epinions.com or anywhere else where people review products, and you'll see a disproportionate number of dissatisfied Dell customers. Their machines do break, and when they do you're at the mercy of one of the worst support organizations in the business.

DIY is not the solution at all for everyone.

You're right. I agree. However, I don't buy the moronic marketing hype on the AW website, as you apparently do. Enjoy the benefits of AlienWire(TM) technology...

 

[Dug]

Originally posted by: jvarszegi

Originally posted by: Dug
Nothing wrong with buying a prebuilt system.

You can research and build your own car, but how many of you do that.
It's really easy to do, just buy the parts locally and put it together.
You could save thousands.

Build your own house, just takes a little research, get the best parts and start building.
You can save tens of thousands in diy.

But for some, they don't really give a sh!t about saving 500 and waste 100's of hours of research to get some extra fps. They just want to use a computer.

You've chosen stupid comparisons. Putting a car together is no more complicated than slapping together modular PC components, eh? I challenge you to home-build a car on your kitchen table.

Putting a car together is only more complicated if you don't know how to do it. I've done it so I know. If you don't know how to put a computer together you can say the same thing. Never mind all the questions you'll have if you don't even know the acronyms, compatibility problems, operating system installation, drivers, etc. Cars are simple in comparison. The building location has nothing to do with the point.
How's this- Try building a Linux database server, website, and firewall if you've never touched Linux box before. Tell me how much time it will take you to install your first driver on a Linux box? Is it worth saving a few hundred from having it preconfigured?

 

[OSUBeaver]

I got a newegg towel with my cpu purchase!! eat that alienware!!

 

[rpmcrash]

Originally posted by: malak

Originally posted by: rpmcrash

Originally posted by: malak
Alienware is not calling DIY-ers idiots. They are saying exactly what I say. I don't want to screw it up because I've never done it before, so I pay them to do it. Not everyone is successful in DIY projects. And you probably didn't make alienware-quality rigs your first time around either.

Then your missing out on a verry good hobbie . i built my first one 20 years ago ,
and it still works. try building a socket 370 to get your feet wet and if you fry it no big deal.

you learned something called what not to do. my point is start off small and work your way up
then you will enjoy it more because you built it . hell 20 years ago after i built my first one.
i said to my wife . now that i got it working what am i suppose to do with it . things have changed.

You need to re-read my posts then. I don't have money to just toss around on a computer hobby. I have money to toss around in much better hobbies that are far more rewarding. I just want to play some video games!

Do you buy a PS2 or go build your own console? It's the same deal.

looks like you got the short end of the stick then .for a few video games. AMD 64 RULES GAMING.

 

[jvarszegi]

Originally posted by: Dug
Putting a car together is only more complicated if you don't know how to do it. I've done it so I know. If you don't know how to put a computer together you can say the same thing. Never mind all the questions you'll have if you don't even know the acronyms, compatibility problems, operating system installation, drivers, etc. Cars are simple in comparison. The building location has nothing to do with the point.
How's this- Try building a Linux database server, website, and firewall if you've never touched Linux box before. Tell me how much time it will take you to install your first driver on a Linux box? Is it worth saving a few hundred from having it preconfigured?

I didn't think it was possible, but your second post is more idiotic than the first. Just compare the number of parts in a car to the number of modular parts in a computer build, and all the necessary tuning and physical labor, besides the difficulty in securing the necessary materials and space for the build! I'll probably never convince you, but if you run a poll you'll learn that you're wrong.