LOL @ Chicago, striking teachers

[Jaskalas]

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Think about this for a second. If a teacher knows they are being strictly evaluated based on their students' performance, and ranked against other teachers, what do you think they're going to do? They're going to teach to the test.

So, here, we have you, the public, saying that teachers need to do a better job, they need to do more than just teach to the test. And at the same time, rig the system so that any teacher who goes outside teaching to the test is penalized. The teacher's union has thought this through; hence the objections.

Hold the phone, you're saying this is not about salary? Conservatives aren't going to hear anything BUT salary - but you brought up an interesting point. Their performance reviews are screwing them over. Is that what this is about?

*checks the article in the OP

Melissa Zagorski, a physics teacher and union representative at the schools, said one of the main sticking points for her is the district’s evaluation system, which she feels is unfair. “They will use this evaluation system to get rid of higher paid teachers,” she said. “We think a fair contract is what’s best for the students.”

Thank you for bringing the truth, the actual story, to the forefront DrPizza. I think this is buried in a lot of news articles, and the information just isn't catching on.

 

[chucky2]

A lot of the time its like taking a random overweight American's handing them over to Bill Belichek and then wondering why he doesnt make the Super Bowl.

Its a wonder any of the students can read.

So so true...

 

[diesbudt]

A lot of the time its like taking a random overweight American's handing them over to Bill Belichek and then wondering why he doesnt make the Super Bowl.

Its a wonder any of the students can read.

Vince Lombardi could have done it in 2 years.

 

[unokitty]

" April 21, 2006 ... study ... stated that
6 of every 100 Chicago Public School freshmen would earn a bachelor's degree by age 25.
3 in 100 black or Latino men would earn a bachelor's degree by age 25....
35% of CPS students who went to college earned their bachelor's degree within six years, below the national average of 64%"

And they only want a 30% raise?

Uno

 

[monovillage]

What is the average salary for a new teacher? and one thats been in the system 10 years.

I have seen some of these union pay scales for teachers and it seems like a pretty crappy salary for a job that requires 4 year degree and some extra training.

Why do people even still live in Chicago, shitty weather, Detroit is collapsing, high taxes etc..

We all know that teaching Grades 1-6 really requires an advanced degree. Just like flipping burgers at McDonalds needs a Bachelors in nutrition.

 

[ichy]

Even if that's true, that's California you AssHat. The rest of the nation has to live by practical rules.

New York is also quite bad about making it nearly impossible to fire teachers.

 

[ichy]

" April 21, 2006 ... study ... stated that
6 of every 100 Chicago Public School freshmen would earn a bachelor's degree by age 25.
3 in 100 black or Latino men would earn a bachelor's degree by age 25....
35% of CPS students who went to college earned their bachelor's degree within six years, below the national average of 64%"

And they only want a 30% raise?

Uno

In fairness that's mostly the fault of parents, not teachers. Even the best teacher in the world can't make a difference when he or she has a classroom full of fatherless little thugs who come from a ghetto culture that sneers at things like education and work.

 

[chucky2]

If that's the case then why do we need to give the teachers a raise (other than maybe a COLA applied every year) at all? The fed up good teachers will leave, replaced by fresh meat, and the results will be basically the same. Win-Win for all...

 

[Lithium381]

Didn't WI recently successfully change union rules and came out great!?

 

[Spungo]

So, here, we have you, the public, saying that teachers need to do a better job, they need to do more than just teach to the test. And at the same time, rig the system so that any teacher who goes outside teaching to the test is penalized. The teacher's union has thought this through; hence the objections.

Parents are retarded, more breaking news at....

When did the culture of ignorance take over? There was a time when doing bad in school meant getting your ass beat by your parents. Now the parents insist that the test should be changed so there is no wrong answer.

 

[Druidx]

Anyone with a little bit of money and common sense sends their kids elsewhere.

"More than 80 percent of Chicago students qualify for free lunches because they come from low-income households"

 

[Xellos2099]

How come no one is talking about the Rahm want to force teacher to terach additional hours and days for the same pay?

 

[FerrelGeek]

See, that's what bugs me about unions. I don't mind people negotiating for higher pay, but the way they protect mediocrity is sickening.

And private sector people having to work into their late 60s / early 70s to support the public sector being able to retire as early as their mid - late 50s. Sounds fair to me.

 

[piasabird]

replace them all with mexicans. They can probably do just as good a job.

 

[piasabird]

Just fire all the people with seniority and change the class size to 90.

So does chicago care more about unions or more about the children?

 

[FerrelGeek]

Didn't WI recently successfully change union rules and came out great!?

Not without a knock-down / drag-out fight, including a waste of time recall election.

 

[unokitty]

Thirty nine percent of Chicago Public School Teachers send their children to private schools.


Uno

 

[Exterous]

Thirty nine percent of Chicago Public School Teachers send their children to private schools.


Uno

No real surprise there. Private schools get to pick and choose who they take public schools don't

 

[QuantumPion]

So you are saying that organized labor has done nothing to increase wages or reduce work hours for employees?

Oh certainly, unions have increased wages and reduced work hours...for themselves - the ~10% of the unionized labor force, but at the expense of the 90% whom are not. But the existence of unions is not the reason for the prosperity we have today. Unions did not invent the middle class or the weekend. The increases in productivity brought by freedom, laissez-faire capitalism, and the industrial revolution did.

 

[Exterous]

What they want is a reasonable & fair way to evaluate this.

:thumbsup: My wife's school is in their third year trying and they still haven't got a clue about how to grade on teacher performance. It would be far more infuriating if they had been offering anything but pay freezes and cuts over the last 3 years and next 2 years

 

[waggy]

Rahm is a fucking idiot. Force kids to go to school longer and be shocked the teachers wan't a pay raise or something else for it.

What the fuck did he expect to happen? what a fucking idiot.

:thumbsup: My wife's school is in their third year trying and they still haven't got a clue about how to grade on teacher performance. It would be far more infuriating if they had been offering anything but pay freezes and cuts over the last 3 years and next 2 years

and i don't think they ever will be able to. Right now teachers know the standardized test is it. So they spend a LOT of time on it.

They should be looking at the course work, past year of those students and student/teacher responses. but hell that will never happen.

 

[spidey07]

Anyone with a little bit of money and common sense sends their kids elsewhere.

"More than 80 percent of Chicago students qualify for free lunches because they come from low-income households"

I take it you heard the schools were quick to point out how they would be open for the free breakfast and lunch?

 

[zsdersw]

Rahm is a fucking idiot. Force kids to go to school longer and be shocked the teachers wan't a pay raise or something else for it.

What the fuck did he expect to happen? what a fucking idiot.

So the CTU is being totally reasonable and is right to not only make the demands they've made but also to strike?

 

[waggy]

Think about this for a second. If a teacher knows they are being strictly evaluated based on their students' performance, and ranked against other teachers, what do you think they're going to do? They're going to teach to the test.

and this is a big fucking problems. kids spend so much time getting ready for this test that should be spent learning the information. instead they spend time learning how to take the damn test.

 

[waggy]

So the CTU is being totally reasonable and is right to not only make the demands they've made but also to strike?

The teachers are forced to spend more time "teaching' at school and they have taken "free" periods from them. As much as many think teaching is easy and teachers day ends at 3:05 they are mistaken.

Usually i bitch when teachers go on strike. This case its understandable. the state demanded teachers work more without a pay raise or breaks.

fuck that.

Rahm is a idiot. To force something (that is btw debatable if it is even going to help the kids) on the teachers and not deal with the union is fucking idiotic. just plain fucking idiotic.