There is that too. going to school and learning is only part.
I just got finished helping my kids do homework and read (they got out early today! 2 hours? bah waste of time) (5th and 1st grade).
we went over my daughters homework. stuff she got done in study hall and what she did at home. then we went over the multiplication table. she has a book report due so she will read today since she has 3 hours before gymnastics.
my son had a easy day. just study for his spelling test and read "lost puppy"(it was a good book! heh)
i have the time to sit with the kids and make sure they understand the stuff. i want to make sure they both are success in life. part of that is getting a good education.
Public unions protect workers from the whim of every new administration.
The DMV clerk, for example, doesn't care who the governor is, he just wants to register cars and renew driver's licenses, and doesn't want to face a lay-off or have his pay slashed to $8 an hour after every election.
The union prevents the front desk worker at city hall from the back office, who could otherwise lay off a bunch of perfectly competent workers and only hire their buddies.
Steady jobs for the people who get the work done, not profits, is what public sector unions are for.
Teachers deserve to be paid enough that they can reside outside of the ghetto and eat well. They are the only hope to counter pop-culture and the religious right, which both teach that stupidity is a virtue.
Public unions protect workers from the whim of every new administration.
The DMV clerk, for example, doesn't care who the governor is, he just wants to register cars and renew driver's licenses, and doesn't want to face a lay-off or have his pay slashed to $8 an hour after every election.
The union prevents the front desk worker at city hall from the back office, who could otherwise lay off a bunch of perfectly competent workers and only hire their buddies.
Steady jobs for the people who get the work done, not profits, is what public sector unions are for.
if only this were true
LOL!
So what exactly then do unions do with all their massive profit? Do you have any idea the income of the chicago teachers union is?
There are lots of seasonal workers in the economy. For example, construction workers, holiday shopping season workers. They do not get a big pay increase to compensate them for the time they are not able to work. They get little more (if any) than a similar non-seasonal working. In the world, it is normal to not get paid for time you don't work. Why should teachers get a special privilege in this regard?Waggy; my point was to the idiots here that do not understand that making $69K for 9 months work does not equate to a higher overall salary. those that get the 69K do not get anything for the other 3 months; that fact goes over many heads here.
How insulting. How about calling to raise your own standard, instead of trying to pull others down to your level?
Golden rule: Don't be a dick.
Teachers deserve to be paid enough that they can reside outside of the ghetto and eat well. They are the only hope to counter pop-culture and the religious right, which both teach that stupidity is a virtue.
whats insulting in that statment?
teachers work ~9 months our of the year. Thats 25% less then other professional. If you want 'fair' like unions always do, then teachers should make 25% less then other professionals with similar experance.
whats insulting in that statment?
teachers work ~9 months our of the year. Thats 25% less then other professional. If you want 'fair' like unions always do, then teachers should make 25% less then other professionals with similar experance.
And chicago teachers are underpaid?
for what, working 6 hours a day, ~9 months a year?
Typical teacher 'Waa Waa - I work so much and get paid so little- waa waa '.
-Umm you work less then most and get paid the same or more then most in the areas
'Why do you hate teachers. waaa waaa'
The concentration of massive stupidity in juxtaposing these two sentences in such close proximity could actually bend light and slow down time.That's right.
And this is Chicago. Anyone with any means sends their kids to private schools in Chicago. Lots of these kids have little to nothing outside of school, and it's not like these are "cushy" teaching jobs.
These are the "tough and dirty" teaching jobs, and lots of those Chicago kids need good teachers more than, say, Waggy's kids, who are lucky to have parents who love them and help them every day. Not every kid is blessed with good parents, but that doesn't make them any less human or deserving of guidance.
Pay the teachers a good salary!
Hello All. First time post.
I am in South Korea teaching English. I have just completed my one year contract and will teach for another year. The thing that amazes me about the Korean education system is the amount of time Korean students attend school. When they enter middle school the average Korean goes to school approximately 12 hours a day. They don't get weekends off, and they don't get 3 months off per year. They are always constantly learning! For instance, once they are done public school they attend an English hagwon, math hagwon, and finally a taekwondo or a music school. Then it's back home for more studying. Korean students go to school 220 days vs 180 days for American students. That's an extra 40 days Korean students are learning.
Where am I going with this? Our school system sucks. It's outdated. The system needs to be revamped. The Teacher Unions are against extending the school calendar. Has anyone looked at the math and science scores of late? Korea constantly ranks at the top and America ranks at the bottom. It's embarrassing to be an American. My Korean students think Americans are all fat, dumb and lazy.
Compared with the stereotype of the East Asian model -- long hours of exhaustive cramming and rote memorization -- Finland's success is especially intriguing because Finnish schools assign less homework and engage children in more creative play. All this has led to a continuous stream of foreign delegations making the pilgrimage to Finland to visit schools and talk with the nation's education experts, and constant coverage in the worldwide media marveling at the Finnish miracle.
Can you tell me why a K-9 grade level teacher needs an advanced degree instead of a 2 year degree and a certificate? Oh yeah and a background check.
In Illinois where I live in the south, they refuse to hire teachers with masters degrees because they have to pay them more. There is no requirement for a Master's Degree.
To the extent possible... 30 years of corporate and upper class tax breaks have budgets slashed to the bone.
And when you look at studies of how many hours a teacher works in a year, the average teacher works nearly as many hours as other professionals.teachers in chicago work only 75% of the year... yet that is never taken into acount ethier.
Put it another way that 69k a year median teacher pay is equal to ~92k a year for a full time worker.
Education major. Hmmm. What's that? For secondary teachers you don't major in education. Your major (as least in NY and PA) must be in the subject area that you teach. Math teachers majored in mathematics (not education.) French teachers majored in French. Chemistry teachers majored in chemistry. And so on.As far as comparing apples to apples, by all means, let's. Start by removing tenure, pensions, and benefits after retirement, as those largely don't exist in the private sector. Then let's pay teachers for what they actually do, NOT for their level of education. If you're teaching second grade, why would you be paid extra because you have a master's? Doesn't work that way in the private sector. Then let's prorate teachers' pay for the actual days they work. Finally, let's figure out comparable difficulty. I know lots of people who dropped out of programs like engineering, biology and chemistry, and nursing to go into education because they just couldn't handle the work. I don't know a single person who dropped out of an education course of studies to go into another field. With the possible exception of journalism, there simply is no major as easy as education. Once we have a level playing field, by all means let's make teachers' pay comparable to others with similar levels of education and work requirements.
whats insulting in that statment?
teachers work ~9 months our of the year. Thats 25% less then other professional. If you want 'fair' like unions always do, then teachers should make 25% less then other professionals with similar experance.
And the teachers work 25% less then the median pay for someone with a bachelors degree, and get better benefits.
How about parent don't want the responsible of teaching their kid either?
I know lots of people who dropped out of programs like engineering, biology and chemistry, and nursing to go into education because they just couldn't handle the work. I don't know a single person who dropped out of an education course of studies to go into another field.
Nationally, the average turnover for all teachers is 17 percent, and in urban school districts specifically, the number jumps to 20 percent, according to the National Center for Education Statistics. The National Commission on Teaching and America's Future proffers starker numbers, estimating that one-third of all new teachers leave after three years, and 46 percent are gone within five years.
And when you look at studies of how many hours a teacher works in a year, the average teacher works nearly as many hours as other professionals.
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When you compare hours, it's very similar. And, you're neglecting all the "professional development", grad courses, etc., that teachers are stuck taking during the summer (often paid for out of their own pocket) or during the school year.
I've seen one of those studies. A bunch of self reported hours worked. We all know that self reporting is soo acruate.
As to "professional development" I already addressed that. It's was/is a union negotiated cop out instead of actually eveluating teachers. For years in many areas there were plenty of scams in the professional development scheme. Pay ZYX university a few hundred bucks, do nothing get a certificate.
Its also a lie that its out of their own pocket, most places that require futher education also pay for it, like chicago does.
Want to get paid more, get a 'advance' degree, and you get an instant raise. What other job has it that just by getting a few extra credits a year you automatically get more money.
I've seen one of those studies. A bunch of self reported hours worked. We all know that self reporting is soo acruate.
Its also a lie that its out of their own pocket, most places that require futher education also pay for it, like chicago does.