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[EagleKeeper]

Originally posted by: dahunan
Too bad we couldn't force the Welfare Recipients to work on farms or force Prison Inmates to do the farm work...

But that would mean the leeches of society would no longer leech /shudder
Then what would the liberals then have to complain about.

 

[chess9]

Bush moves to the middle after being in the right field parking lot for most of the game.

-Robert

 

[maluckey]

dahunan, you didn't read the post. Stop yelling until you do please. Nothing was mentioned about citizenship at all in any of the talks by Bush.

Now, I feel that allowing those illegals that paid their taxes into the system, even while being illegal, should at least be able to recoup some of their benefits. How much should be allowed is another matter. I guess you'd need to adjust the benefits because they were illegal so as not to reward their behavior too much. Hell, we have U.S. citizens that evade taxes, and they still get benefits, so I feel that it wouldn't be too far fetched to allow some repayment of the funds paid in, but at a lessened amount to be fair to the legal workers in this country.

 

[xochi]

That sounds good in theory, but things aren't really like that. If that's the case how come my friend from England with a college degree and perfect english can't get a work permit over here, but there are so many uneducated, non-english speaking losers from Mexico that get to stay here??? It doesn't make sense. Half of them contribute nothing to this country but to raise the crime rate and create slums.

losers huh? yeah you sure dont sound like a racist

just because someone isnt educated doenst mean they dont work hard and contribute to a community. I'm willing to guess those "losers" work harder than you ever will.

Good Job for Bush for reaching out to Mexico.

one more thing, did you know that the Commander of the Armed Forces in Iraq Gen. Ricardo Sanchez would be labled as a "loser" in your eyes. he grew up poor, worked in the fields and would of ended up a common laborer if it wasnt for the iron will of his mother.

go feed the cats son, your the only loser on this board

 

[chess9]

Xochi:

Amen, brother!

-Robert

 

[alexruiz]

A lot of ignorant post here.... a summary of what the immigration proposal by our goverment asked:

- Get legal status for the illegal immigrants already in the USA.....
- Make the requirements of TN visas for Mexican citizens the same than for Canadians...... Don't get the point? Read a little about the subject.
- Allow for TEMPORARY workers to be employed in the USA more easily. This means, that workers can work seasonaly in jobs that have uneven demand accross the year. Once the job is gone, come back to the country. Worried that thay will want to stay? No, because they are easily trackable, not to mention that a huge percentage of illegal immigrants work hard for a while, then come back.... The key here is temporary .......

I am for one glad that finally the retarde president of your country decided to pay attention to this proposal.... 3 years later.

On another hand, aceshigh, you are a "pocho pendejo"...... obviously, you consider your parents as losers.......

 

[Aceshigh]

Last three posts are typical. Label someone ignorant because they have a different opinion than you.

By the way. I don't consider my parents losers. They worked hard and gave their children a good, AMERICAN upbringing. They assimilated to this country rather than try to make the US conform to them, which if you are honest you will have to admit a huge number of Mexicans do.

 

[dahunan]

If they are already here illegally then why would they leave... "temporary permits" right....

Fix the fvcking border mr bush... then fix the illegal immigration system

You want the TRUTH

STOP Buying sh!t from CHINA and start investing in Mexico!

Our retarded president does realize that Terrorists can easily walk through MExico instead of having to fly here, right? Or they can sneak in through Canada... etc. etc...

 

[dmcowen674]

Well turns out I didn't realize we "had" a split household too that Donna was going to vote for Bush but this issue has swung her away from him.

The ATers that said our Mexican citizens would go back home south and then come back are whacked. Show me one individual that has come here to North Georgia and went back. This isn't tomato picking country here, it's cutting up chickens which is a year round job. This has turned this area into Norte De Mexico, they will not learn or speak English, re-paint all the houses purple, throw soiled diapers everywhere and on and on.

But it's all good, bueniviendos Unestados de Mexico.

 

[tallest1]

Originally posted by: alexruiz
- Allow for TEMPORARY workers to be employed in the USA more easily. This means, that workers can work seasonaly in jobs that have uneven demand accross the year. Once the job is gone, come back to the country. Worried that thay will want to stay? No, because they are easily trackable, not to mention that a huge percentage of illegal immigrants work hard for a while, then come back.... The key here is temporary .......

Tell that to the "temporary" people from overseas (H1-B's) getting hired. These scamming companies claimed there was uneven supply of Computer-Sci/Info and surprise, surprise, the 'temp' workers end up sticking around much longer than you think

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Well turns out I didn't realize we "had" a split household too that Donna was going to vote for Bush but this issue has swung her away from him.

The ATers that said our Mexican citizens would go back home south and then come back are whacked. Show me one individual that has come here to North Georgia and went back. This isn't tomato picking country here, it's cutting up chickens which is a year round job. This has turned this area into Norte De Mexico, they will not learn or speak English, re-paint all the houses purple, throw soiled diapers everywhere and on and on.

But it's all good, bueniviendos Unestados de Mexico.

I'm sure you provided her ALL the relevant info right? You know...the DETAIL - not some flashy "the sky is falling" headline?



CkG

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Well turns out I didn't realize we "had" a split household too that Donna was going to vote for Bush but this issue has swung her away from him.

The ATers that said our Mexican citizens would go back home south and then come back are whacked. Show me one individual that has come here to North Georgia and went back. This isn't tomato picking country here, it's cutting up chickens which is a year round job. This has turned this area into Norte De Mexico, they will not learn or speak English, re-paint all the houses purple, throw soiled diapers everywhere and on and on.

But it's all good, bueniviendos Unestados de Mexico.

I'm sure you provided her ALL the relevant info right? You know...the DETAIL - not some flashy "the sky is falling" headline?



CkG

No, of course not, she gets her own "brainwashing" from other sources. I pleaded with her since now we are apparently still a "split" household now that I of course agree with you CAD & Co and will vote for Bush again.

 

[alexruiz]

Originally posted by: Aceshigh
Last three posts are typical. Label someone ignorant because they have a different opinion than you.

By the way. I don't consider my parents losers. They worked hard and gave their children a good, AMERICAN upbringing. They assimilated to this country rather than try to make the US conform to them, which if you are honest you will have to admit a huge number of Mexicans do.

They are losers acording to your definition as "uneducated".... don't tell me they moved as researchers....

Fact, the inmense majority of the people we export are the ones with less skill. period.

As counterpoint, I guess all those persons that lack the skills and talent to survive here and give their children a decent life are winners just by the simple fact that they had the balls to risk their lives and suffer discrimination in their quest to the land of the easy money..... But you are the ONE downplaying their effort and reason...... so, you are contradicting yourself!

Those of you who don't believe the majority of the people would come back, obviously have never exchanged words with one of them..... In a lot of cases, it is only the father working sending money while the family is still in Mexico. After a few months, the father comes back, then he "crosses" again...... Also, as pointed , a lot of immigrants try to adapt the country to themselves, which is not going to happen... so they feel better just making the money there and coming back to spend it here.

aceshigh, so you got a good american upbringing? I did too, I live in Mexico, and we are NOT in Europe...... So you are one of the idiots who spread the belief that a taco is a shell filled with yellow cheese and other cr@p? (nasty by the way.....)

Ah, regarding investment, it is a good idea, but just tell the retarded president you have that some of the bans against our products are illegal and must be lifted.... that is a god start!

 

[EagleKeeper]

Originally posted by: maluckey
dahunan, you didn't read the post. Stop yelling until you do please. Nothing was mentioned about citizenship at all in any of the talks by Bush.

Now, I feel that allowing those illegals that paid their taxes into the system, even while being illegal, should at least be able to recoup some of their benefits. How much should be allowed is another matter. I guess you'd need to adjust the benefits because they were illegal so as not to reward their behavior too much. Hell, we have U.S. citizens that evade taxes, and they still get benefits, so I feel that it wouldn't be too far fetched to allow some repayment of the funds paid in, but at a lessened amount to be fair to the legal workers in this country.

Many of the illegals are not paying into the system, rather they leach from the system.
Without a SS #, taxes are not paid. Cash only does not pay the income taxes. Invalid SS#s will be detected by the Feds and kicked out for investigation.Therefore only sales tax is paid on what they spend. If medical or social services are required, then acutal taxpayers may be picking up the tab. Difficult to get insurance with false documents.

Also, the companies that hire the illegals are pushing for this. Alows them off the hook. Many know that they are using illegals and prefer to have amnesty rather than a fine.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper

Originally posted by: maluckey
dahunan, you didn't read the post. Stop yelling until you do please. Nothing was mentioned about citizenship at all in any of the talks by Bush.

Now, I feel that allowing those illegals that paid their taxes into the system, even while being illegal, should at least be able to recoup some of their benefits. How much should be allowed is another matter. I guess you'd need to adjust the benefits because they were illegal so as not to reward their behavior too much. Hell, we have U.S. citizens that evade taxes, and they still get benefits, so I feel that it wouldn't be too far fetched to allow some repayment of the funds paid in, but at a lessened amount to be fair to the legal workers in this country.

Many of the illegals are not paying into the system, rather they leach from the system.
Without a SS #, taxes are not paid. Cash only does not pay the income taxes. Invalid SS#s will be detected by the Feds and kicked out for investigation.Therefore only sales tax is paid on what they spend. If medical or social services are required, then acutal taxpayers may be picking up the tab. Difficult to get insurance with false documents.

Also, the companies that hire the illegals are pushing for this. Alows them off the hook. Many know that they are using illegals and prefer to have amnesty rather than a fine.

Tyson Foods for example. They own the Government along with many other Lobbyist groups from the few Corps that rule but that is a good thing as they are driving this great Booming and Soaring Economy.

 

[Wolfdog]

In a way it is a good thing. Maybe if we import migrant labor into our production facilities then they won't ship the jobs overseas. Seeing as how they will work for less. Pretty soon Walmart won't speak any english.
I have no problem with immigration, its the thing that the US was founded on. While I think every last illegal immigrant should be deported with a big stamp on thier forehead. It takes away chances of finding work for those that entered the country through official routes. Bush is dead wrong in this case. When there are so many still looking for work that live here, there needs to be some throttling on immigration. If the US economy can't support the people that are already here, then there is no sense in streaming more and more in.

 

[dahunan]

When they start lowering the wages will landlords start lowering the rent?

 

[Piano Man]

I'm hesitant with this, but overall I think I'm in support of the changes because I think anyone who wants to live here should be able to. However, the problem is our minimum wage, and this is why Bush is changing the law. Its purely economical. The minium wage in this country is too low for any American to live on, thus, let's give it to the Mexicans. WTF! This is a short term solution to the problem. Whenever I hear about people saying how great our economy is doing and how many jobs are being created, they don't realize that these are Walmart jobs, not white-collar jobs that have been outsourced to India or China. Unemployment will skyrocket when companies realize they can pay less. Then eventually the standard of living will go down and social programs will be spread even more thin. I don't know. Its a good change, but for the wrong reasons. If we increased the minimum wage to about $8-9 dollars, then we wouldn't have this problem.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: dahunan
When they start lowering the wages will landlords start lowering the rent?

Of course not, we'll all huddle up 20 or more deep in houses with every room including the garage and attic filled with beds. That's the way it is here now and now not even bothering to build the houses with a garage since it would never be used as a garage anyway. They did lower the house price to $90,000 and the Mexicans then buy them for cash and the driveway and street fills up with at least 10 Vans with ladders or pickups per house loaded with construction equipment.

 

[exp]

I'll need to hear more details, but my initial reaction is that this proposal is a complete joke. How does this solve--or even improve upon--America's immigration problem? It seems to me it only makes an already inexcusable situation *worse* (from both economic and security standpoints) by encouraging more traffic across the border.

I wonder if Bush won't lose more votes than he gains with this announcement. Hispanic voters are smart enough to see this as the transparent ploy it is, and non-hispanic U.S. workers will be left wondering why this vaunted "compassion" Bush is always bleating about is apparently reserved for border-jumpers. I doubt too many Americans will look fondly on a president who seemingly cares more about Mexican citizens than he does his own people.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: exp
I'll need to hear more details, but my initial reaction is that this proposal is a complete joke. How does this solve--or even improve upon--America's immigration problem? It seems to me it only makes an already inexcusable situation *worse* (from both economic and security standpoints) by encouraging more traffic across the border.

I wonder if Bush won't lose more votes than he gains with this announcement. Hispanic voters are smart enough to see this as the transparent ploy it is, and non-hispanic U.S. workers will be left wondering why this vaunted "compassion" Bush is always bleating about is apparently reserved for border-jumpers. I doubt too many Americans will look fondly on a president who seemingly cares more about Mexican citizens than he does his own people.

Oh poor EXP, they are "our" own people, they are "our" citizens that just happen to come from that State south of Texas.

 

[0roo0roo]

nothing more permanent then a temporary worker.

 

[razor2025]

dmcowen674, at the rate we're going, we might as well call Georgia, Mexicana. Doraville will be named Mexicanville, and our lovely Buford/Norcross/Duluth area, Hispanic Town. Soon, the school system will be forced to teach Spanish as primary language and all other subjects will be thaught in Spanish. It's already bad enough down here, now Mr. Bush would love to welcome even MORE Hispanics to live in our lovely southern state.

My family and I were recent immigrant who had just gotten our citizenship. Bush's proposal basically means that we had WASTED TONS of money, time, patience, and hardwork to EARN our legal status. This is utter complete BS. So what's the point of coming to US legally? Instead of paying tons of money, working hard, and waiting patiently for Greencard (and then the Citizenship), why not just enter US illegally, pick up a Amnesty application, pay a few hundred bucks, and get the same benefits as entering legally w/o having to go through the trouble of doing it legally?

Even the conservative (who I like to label them as "cheap-labor republicans") can easily see the stupidity of this proposal. I seriously hope that Congress will shoot this thing down.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: razor2025
dmcowen674, at the rate we're going, we might as well call Georgia, Mexicana. Doraville will be named Mexicanville, and our lovely Buford/Norcross/Duluth area, Hispanic Town. Soon, the school system will be forced to teach Spanish as primary language and all other subjects will be thaught in Spanish. It's already bad enough down here, now Mr. Bush would love to welcome even MORE Hispanics to live in our lovely southern state.

My family and I were recent immigrant who had just gotten our citizenship. Bush's proposal basically means that we had WASTED TONS of money, time, patience, and hardwork to EARN our legal status. This is utter complete BS. So what's the point of coming to US legally? Instead of paying tons of money, working hard, and waiting patiently for Greencard (and then the Citizenship), why not just enter US illegally, pick up a Amnesty application, pay a few hundred bucks, and get the same benefits as entering legally w/o having to go through the trouble of doing it legally?

Even the conservative (who I like to label them as "cheap-labor republicans") can easily see the stupidity of this proposal. I seriously hope that Congress will shoot this thing down.

You probably would want to stay clear of up here in Gainesville then, you would swear you just drove south of the border into Tijuana complete with soiled diapers in the streets.

Thank you for being so honest neighbor. The resident experts here swear I am imagining and exaggerating the situation here. I am sincerely sorry you guys went through such a hard time doing it the proper way and honored to meet your aquaintance to such caring new citizens of this Country. You care more than the people born here other than our heros fighting for it.

But it's all good because it comes from the greatest President this Country has ever had since he has this Economy Booming and Soaring best since 1984 and he got rid of that guy that was aiming Weapons of Mass Destruction at us.

 

[alexruiz]

Originally posted by: razor2025
My family and I were recent immigrant who had just gotten our citizenship. Bush's proposal basically means that we had WASTED TONS of money, time, patience, and hardwork to EARN our legal status. This is utter complete BS. So what's the point of coming to US legally? Instead of paying tons of money, working hard, and waiting patiently for Greencard (and then the Citizenship), why not just enter US illegally, pick up a Amnesty application, pay a few hundred bucks, and get the same benefits as entering legally w/o having to go through the trouble of doing it legally?

The extreme radiation of the monitor is frying your brain... if you ever had one!

The proposal made by Fox and now endorsed by Bush talks about LEGAL temporary worker status....... Obviously, you are talking with jealousy......